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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Cars / February 2007Decoding VIN 4th position problem
I have tried to decode the 4th position letter in 1FTNX21S51ED85640 against 'VIN CODE, 4TH POSITION-RESTRAINT SYSTEM FOR TRUCKS ONLY' table in https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/pdfs/VIN2001.pdf. The problem is that there are two 'N' in the table. I wonder which one I am going to choose. The letter is supposed to be unique in this table. Anybody has any idea? I also found letters 'T', 'U', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'M', 'P' exist twice. This table really confuses me. Ummmm.... look at the top of the table.... Notice that one column is for without airbags and the next column is for with airbags???? I have no idea where any confusion would come from since all we need do is look... >I have tried to decode the 4th position letter in 1FTNX21S51ED85640 > against 'VIN CODE, 4TH POSITION-RESTRAINT SYSTEM FOR TRUCKS ONLY' [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I also found letters 'T', 'U', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'M', 'P' exist twice. > This table really confuses me. Yes, I have noticed the column headers. But how can I get this info(with airbags or without airbags) before I decode the VIN(1FTNX21S51ED85640)? suppose I do not have any info of the vehicle. > Yes, I have noticed the column headers. But how can I get this > info(with airbags or without airbags) Ask? Rob > before I decode the > VIN(1FTNX21S51ED85640)? suppose I do not have any info of the > vehicle. The designated SRS of 'N' will not indicate what type of SRS may, or may not be, standard on that particular vehicle, if any. 'N' means SRS is not required on that particular type of vehicle. There is a letter for each particular type of SRS, from automatic belts up to dual SRS, but none for side air bags because side air bags are not required on any vehicle in the US under currant SRS rules. mike >> Yes, I have noticed the column headers. But how can I get this >> info(with airbags or without airbags) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> VIN(1FTNX21S51ED85640)? suppose I do not have any info of the >> vehicle. > The designated SRS of 'N' will not indicate what type of SRS may, or may > not be, standard on that particular vehicle, if any. 'N' means SRS is not > required on that particular type of vehicle. There is a letter for each > particular type of SRS, from automatic belts up to dual SRS, but none for > side air bags because side air bags are not required on any vehicle in the > US under currant SRS rules. Wrong. N means it is a 8501 - 9000 lb GVWR truck. You have to look at the table here: https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/pdfs/VIN2001.pdf According to Ford, the 4th position represents "Brake Type and GVWR Class (Trucks and vans Only)." For passenger cars, it represnets restraint type. It's in the PDF file too. > mike > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >>> VIN(1FTNX21S51ED85640)? suppose I do not have any info of the >>> vehicle. If you have no info on the vehicle and you don't have the vehicle or it's owner there beside you, why would you need to decode the VIN? In cases like that, alarm bells would start to go off.... Otherwise, looking at the steering wheel pad will tell us if it has airbags or not. FWIW, OASIS reports that you haven't had the speed control recall performed yet.... tsk, tsk, tsk.... > Yes, I have noticed the column headers. But how can I get this > info(with airbags or without airbags) before I decode the > VIN(1FTNX21S51ED85640)? suppose I do not have any info of the > vehicle. I agree with you. But I am still wondering how Ford interprets the VIN without asking for restraint data. >I agree with you. But I am still wondering how Ford interprets the VIN > without asking for restraint data. The code for the 5th, 6th and 7th positions is X21. This corresponds to an F250. Ford made all of these trucks with airbags. I guess you would have to know this. But the other position that the N goes into (big truck, air brakes) is really a big truck. The VIN decoder is meant for dealers who are buying vehicles at auction for resale. I also noticed that there is a difference between the PDF file that I saw last night and the one today. They added the postal vehicles as well as removed some of the letters under the side airbag column. There are more engines as well. Jeff Postal vehicles are exempted from all federal vehicle regulations. Postal vehicle do net even display a license plate. mike > I also noticed that there is a difference between the PDF file that I saw > last night and the one today. They added the postal vehicles as well as > removed some of the letters under the side airbag column. There are more > engines as well. > > Jeff > Postal vehicles are exempted from all federal vehicle regulations. Postal > vehicle do net even display a license plate. Before making an a.s of yourself, you should look at the material cited. The last column in the table titled "VIN Code, 4th Position-Restraint System For Trucks Only," is called "RHD U.S. Postal Service Explorer w/o Air Bags." I don't know or care if postal vehicles are exempt from federal vehicle regulations. That is what the column is named. If you don't think this is correct, ask Ford about it. https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/pdfs/VIN2001.pdf Have a lovely day. Jeff > mike > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> >> Jeff Why are you so quick to make a personal attack on anybody that tries to correct misinterpretation of what was posted? What you are referring to is RH drive vehicles that are sold to private individuals that contract to the USPS, to deliver rural mail, since the vehicles sold to the USPS are exempt and are not ever licensed. Postal delivery vehicle are made by American General corp. not Ford in any event mike >> Postal vehicles are exempted from all federal vehicle regulations. >> Postal vehicle do net even display a license plate. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >>> >>> Jeff > Why are you so quick to make a personal attack on anybody that tries to > correct misinterpretation of what was posted? I didn't make a personal attack. I just suggested what would happen if you made statements without even looking at was available and cited in the message. > What you are referring to is RH drive vehicles that are sold to private > individuals that contract to the USPS, to deliver rural mail, since the > vehicles sold to the USPS are exempt and are not ever licensed. Postal > delivery vehicle are made by American General corp. not Ford in any event Listen to what you said: "RH drive vehicles that are sold to private individuals." Last I checked, private individuals are not part of the USPS, even if they contract to the USPS. The private vehicles of postal carriers where I used to live have license plates. And they were not made by American General, unless American General also makes Subarus. Ford, Mack, Jeep and Dodge also make Postal Vehicles. http://media.ford.com/newsroom/release_display.cfm?release=6423 But you should be complaining to Ford and not me about this. I am just reading a table they wrote in their literature for their dealers. Jeff > mike > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >>>> >>>> Jeff >...Postal delivery vehicle are made by American > General corp. not Ford in any event Not exclusively by AM General. Grumman too, & probably others. Rob AMG builds the USPS purpose built RHD mail delivery vehicles. Grumman etc builds truck bodies on conventional 'chassis cabs,' delivery vehicles of the 'bread trucks' type mike >>...Postal delivery vehicle are made by American >> General corp. not Ford in any event > > Not exclusively by AM General. Grumman too, & probably others. > > Rob > AMG builds the USPS purpose built RHD mail delivery vehicles. Grumman etc > builds truck bodies on conventional 'chassis cabs,' delivery vehicles of > the 'bread trucks' type > > mike http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_LLV Rob >>>...Postal delivery vehicle are made by American >>>General corp. not Ford in any event >> >>Not exclusively by AM General. Grumman too, & probably others. >> >>Rob I stand corrected, I did not know AMG was no longer the exclusive builder of that vehicle. I sold my fleet service business several years ago. We serviced USPS vehicles in six eastern states, at the time AMG was the single builder. Prior to that the USPS used Pintos. Thanks for the update mike >> AMG builds the USPS purpose built RHD mail delivery vehicles. Grumman >> etc builds truck bodies on conventional 'chassis cabs,' delivery [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Rob > I stand corrected, I did not know AMG was no longer the exclusive builder of > that vehicle. I sold my fleet service business several years ago. We > serviced USPS vehicles in six eastern states, at the time AMG was the single > builder. Prior to that the USPS used Pintos. Thanks for the update > > mike Mike, you've always been upstanding here at a.a.f., I thought I might have been wrong... off to WIKI I went! Rob >>>AMG builds the USPS purpose built RHD mail delivery vehicles. Grumman >>>etc builds truck bodies on conventional 'chassis cabs,' delivery [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >>Rob >I stand corrected, I did not know AMG was no longer the exclusive builder >of that vehicle. I sold my fleet service business several years ago. We >serviced USPS vehicles in six eastern states, at the time AMG was the >single builder. Prior to that the USPS used Pintos. Thanks for the update > > mike The USPS used Pintos. It make me wish that I went to work at the post office rather than medical school ;-) Jeff The country does need nurses, as well, you know ;) mike >>I stand corrected, I did not know AMG was no longer the exclusive builder >>of that vehicle. I sold my fleet service business several years ago. We [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Jeff >I have tried to decode the 4th position letter in 1FTNX21S51ED85640 > against 'VIN CODE, 4TH POSITION-RESTRAINT SYSTEM FOR TRUCKS ONLY' [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I also found letters 'T', 'U', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'M', 'P' exist twice. > This table really confuses me. Ford made three types of trucks as far as this 4th position of the VIN is concerned: trucks without air bags, trucks with driver and passenger airbags, and trucks with passenger, driver and side curtain airbags. Your made-in-Kentucky 6.8 litre V-10 F250 has airbags, but not side curtain airbags. So only the values in the "Light Trucks & MPVs with Driver & Passenger Air Bags" column applies to your truck. How do I know all this about your pickup? https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/default.asp Jeff If I understand it well, I can not decode the VIN with the VIN Guide data (https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/pdfs/ VIN2001.pdf.), and have to use Ford online VIN Decoder. Am I correct in this? This guide seems to be useless. > If I understand it well, I can not decode the VIN with the VIN Guide > data (https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/pdfs/ > VIN2001.pdf.), and have to use Ford online VIN Decoder. Am I correct > in this? This guide seems to be useless. The guide is fine. Look at the top of the columns for the 4th digit. One is for no air bags, one is for driver and passenger front airbags, and one is for driver and passenger front and side-curtain air bags. You need to know what kind of air bags you have in the truck so you can look in the right column for the VIN code. You also have more than one table for some of the VIN positions. You have to look at the titles of these tables to make sure you have the right table. The guide is fine. You just have to be careful. The VIN decoder web page basically reads the table for you. Jeff Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Thinking of this situation, I want to buy a used car, and get this car's VIN. I want to retrieve the car's info against the VIN Guide data by VIN only. I said the VIN Guide data is useless because if I use Ford online VIN Decoder, I only input VIN, no restraint info(airbags or not) is needed. I feel that Ford hides some data behind this VIN Guide data. > Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Thinking of this situation, I want > to buy a used car, and get this car's VIN. I want to retrieve the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Decoder, I only input VIN, no restraint info(airbags or not) is > needed. I feel that Ford hides some data behind this VIN Guide data. Well, look at the original invoice. That should tell you about the restraint data. Other information is missing, too, like whether or not there is a sunroof, what kind of radio and whether or not the brakes are anti-lock. The VIN system is to provide some basic info, like body style and engine info, and provide a unique code for each vehicle. It is not intended to provide every single bit of info about the vehicle. Jeff > Maybe I didn't make myself clear. Thinking of this situation, I want > to buy a used car, and get this car's VIN. I want to retrieve the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Decoder, I only input VIN, no restraint info(airbags or not) is > needed. I feel that Ford hides some data behind this VIN Guide data. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330048125091 For more info... Rob >I have tried to decode the 4th position letter in 1FTNX21S51ED85640 > against 'VIN CODE, 4TH POSITION-RESTRAINT SYSTEM FOR TRUCKS ONLY' [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I also found letters 'T', 'U', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'M', 'P' exist twice. > This table really confuses me. nstead of reading the VIN guides, just enter the compete VIN at https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/default.asp VIN ResultsNew Search VIN: 1FTNX21S51ED85640 World Manufacturer Identifier - 1st, 2nd, 3rd Positions VIN Code:1FT Assembly Country:USA Make:Ford Body Style:Pickup Restraint System Type (Passenger Cars) or Brake Type and GVWR Class (Trucks and Vans) - 4th Position VIN Code:N Brake System:HYDRAULIC GVWR Class: GVWR Range:8,501 - 9,000 Pounds Line,Series Body Type - 5th, 6th, 7th Positions VIN Code:X21 Vehicle Line:F-250 Series:Styleside Body Type:SUPER Vehicle Type:Truck/SUV Engine Type - 8th Position VIN Code:S Engine:6.8 L Cylinders:10 Fuel:Gasoline Model Year - 10th Position VIN Code:1 Model Year:2001 Assembly Plant - 11th Position VIN Code:E Assembly Plant:KENTUCKY TRUCK: JEFFERSON COUNTY, KY Production Sequence Number - 12th - 17th VIN Code:D85640 Prod Sequence NumberD85640 did you try VIN checker at http://www.autobaza.pl/ab/en/web/productaa0100 On 22 Lut, 18:55, enca...@hotmail.com wrote: > I have tried todecodethe 4th position letter in 1FTNX21S51ED85640 > against 'VINCODE, 4TH POSITION-RESTRAINT SYSTEM FOR TRUCKS ONLY' [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I also found letters 'T', 'U', 'V', 'W', 'X', 'M', 'P' exist twice. > This table really confuses me. > did you try VIN checker at http://www.autobaza.pl/ab/en/web/productaa0100 That is quite out of date. It doesn't recognize newer model vehicles. I sent a full breakdown of a the affected VINs to the email noted at least three years ago. https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/default.asp decodes the newer VINs.  Signature--- Clarence A Dold - Hidden Valley Lake, CA, USA GPS: 38.8,-122.5 I was just at the post office. Guess what I saw in their parking lot? Chevy Venture vans. They even had US Gov't license plates. I guess AM General and Ford are not the only vendors selling vehicles to the USPS. Jeff |
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