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My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. I also only carry bills with me. If I get change I toss it onto the parking lot as I leave. > My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. > This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. > > I also only carry bills with me. If I get change I toss it onto the > parking lot as I leave. I don't know what car you're driving, but my Grand Marquis gets at least 8-10 MPG more than that on the Highway. And it's a V8-powered 4,000 pound car.  SignatureDon't drink water, fish have sex in it! >> My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >> This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >8-10 MPG more than that on the Highway. And it's a V8-powered 4,000 >pound car. 94 t-bird.... 4K pounds? Dude, mine don't even weigh 3K Are you hauling another car? Do you have bags of cement in the trunk? >>> My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >>> This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >94 t-bird.... 4K pounds? Dude, mine don't even weigh 3K '94 'Boid "curb weight" is around 3600-3700 lbs. Check your specs. Puddin' "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell >>>> My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >>>> This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >'94 'Boid "curb weight" is around 3600-3700 lbs. Check your >specs. The DOOR says something around 2600-2700 lbs. >>>>> My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >>>>> This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >The DOOR says something around 2600-2700 lbs. Spec-plate inside drivers door? Maybe max load capacity. Not vehicle weight. The car weighs about the same as a '94 LeSabre. I checked -before- I bought one (back in '97). Puddin' "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell >>>>>> My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >>>>>> This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >The car weighs about the same as a '94 LeSabre. >I checked -before- I bought one (back in '97). My car weighs 4,000 lbs? No wonder the MPG sucks What does a Prius weigh? >>>>>>> My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >>>>>>> This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > >My car weighs 4,000 lbs? 3700 'till you throw some stuff in the truck, jump in. >No wonder the MPG sucks One of many factors. >What does a Prius weigh? Prius, Touring. Curb weight (lb.) 2932, 2932. Seating capacity, 5, 5. Passenger volume (cu. ft.) 96.2, 96.2. Luggage capacity (cu. ft.) 14.4 Prius is a 2900 lb elec.-assisted car with a 1.5L gas motor. I'm guessing virtually -all- the driving characteristics would be *drastically* different from what you've been driving. Might be similar for repair costs in the long-run, as well, I dunno. You wanna describe your car (V8?), mileage, driving habits, service record, etc, it's likely someone here would suggest what to look for re improved mileage. Puddin' "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell >You wanna describe your car (V8?), mileage, driving habits, >service record, etc, it's likely someone here would suggest >what to look for re improved mileage. I wonder if my sucky MPG has anything to do with the tranny shudder issue? It bounces and wobbles and shudders after 2nd gear all the time, have to stomp the gas pedal to get it out of the shudder sometimes. It would cost most than the car is worth to get the tranny fixed. No one would buy my car with the tranny issue, AND I don't have enough money saved to begin to replace it with anything similar to the 94 tbird. It's sad but it also makes me mad. >>You wanna describe your car (V8?), mileage, driving habits, >>service record, etc, it's likely someone here would suggest [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >time, have to stomp the gas pedal to get it out of the shudder >sometimes. I had the shudder maybe 30k mi. ago. Got new fluid and it went away. I'm not gonna ask how long you been drivin' it like that ... >It would cost most than the car is worth to get the tranny >fixed. How you know? You got definitive diagnosis (that you're keepin' secret)? >No one would buy my car with the tranny issue, AND I don't have >enough money saved to begin to replace it with anything similar to the >94 tbird. > >It's sad but it also makes me mad. No offence, but it sounds to po' me like you needed to take care of what you got all along. Good Luck, Puddin' "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell >>>You wanna describe your car (V8?), mileage, driving habits, >>>service record, etc, it's likely someone here would suggest [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >I'm not gonna ask how long you been drivin' it like that ... 10K miles. I'm not a mechanic so how I am to know these things? >>It would cost most than the car is worth to get the tranny >>fixed. > >How you know? You got definitive diagnosis (that you're >keepin' secret)? An estimate from a friend of the family who works on the transmissions told me $1,700 would be a low price. >>No one would buy my car with the tranny issue, AND I don't have >>enough money saved to begin to replace it with anything similar to the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >No offence, but it sounds to po' me like you needed to take care of >what you got all along. What was I suppose to do? Change the trans fluid daily? I don't even jack-rabbit start, drive fast, go up/down maountins, none of that stuff. I don't/didn't abuse this car. >>>>You wanna describe your car (V8?), mileage, driving habits, >>>>service record, etc, it's likely someone here would suggest [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >10K miles. I'm not a mechanic so how I am to know these things? Divest your denial. You knew somethin' was wrong when the shudder developed. No? >>>It would cost most than the car is worth to get the tranny >>>fixed. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >An estimate from a friend of the family who works on the transmissions >told me $1,700 would be a low price. Did he drive the 'Boid? $1700 sounds like a rebuild. That's about what a shop quoted me some years ago when mine needed only a $30 MLPS. >>>No one would buy my car with the tranny issue, AND I don't have >>>enough money saved to begin to replace it with anything similar to the [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >What was I suppose to do? Change the trans fluid daily? That's silly. >I don't even jack-rabbit start, drive fast, go up/down maountins, none >of that stuff. Good. >I don't/didn't abuse this car. Good. Are you in a position to say that your properly maintained/repaired it? Oldest maxim in the auto world: "You Take Care Of It, It Will Take Care Of You". P "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell >>>>>You wanna describe your car (V8?), mileage, driving habits, >>>>>service record, etc, it's likely someone here would suggest [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Divest your denial. You knew somethin' was wrong when the >shudder developed. No? That is why I took it to a ford dealership. They DISGNOSED it needing plugs and wires. When it didn't stop they suggested injectors. When they finally said 'oh, it might be the tranny...' I asked for most of my money back. I spent about $700 and got about $200 of that back. I did the right thing, I had someone who was SUPPOSE TO BE qualified to check the car. Now what? >>>>It would cost most than the car is worth to get the tranny >>>>fixed. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Did he drive the 'Boid? Yes. Drove it for nearly 30 minutes. >$1700 sounds like a rebuild. That's about what a shop >quoted me some years ago when mine needed only a $30 >MLPS. This mechanic told me a fluid change would do no good. He said wait until it literally stops then come in for the rebuild. What do I do? Do I question this mechanic also? Who do I trust? Perhaps a dentist? >>>>No one would buy my car with the tranny issue, AND I don't have >>>>enough money saved to begin to replace it with anything similar to the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >That's silly. Yeah, that's why I said it. >>I don't even jack-rabbit start, drive fast, go up/down maountins, none >>of that stuff. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Are you in a position to say that your properly maintained/repaired it? As per the manual. Other than prayer services and some miracle what else was I suppose to do with this car? >>>>>>You wanna describe your car (V8?), mileage, driving habits, >>>>>>service record, etc, it's likely someone here would suggest [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >That is why I took it to a ford dealership. They DISGNOSED it needing >plugs and wires. Crossfire from (cursed) Ford plug wires -could- cause shudder. But from motor, not trans. Good mechanic could tell difference. >When it didn't stop they suggested injectors. When >they finally said 'oh, it might be the tranny...' I asked for most of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Now what? Now you know 1 Ford dealer to avoid like the Black Plague. >>>>>It would cost most than the car is worth to get the tranny >>>>>fixed. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >until it literally stops then come in for the rebuild. What do I do? >Do I question this mechanic also? Dunno. Wasn't there. >Who do I trust? Perhaps a dentist? See below. >>>>>No one would buy my car with the tranny issue, AND I don't have >>>>>enough money saved to begin to replace it with anything similar to the [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >As per the manual. Other than prayer services and some miracle what >else was I suppose to do with this car? Consider the following for future reference: 1.) Evaluate problem to extent practical. Develop 1 or more potential diagnoses if possible. 2.) Post here and/or in similar forum. At bare minimum include: a.) All symptoms in all detail. b.) Make, model, mileage, and any possibly relevant repairs and/or conditions. c.) Any potential diagnoses you have made. 3.) Evaluate responses very carefully. 4.) As necessary, take car to shop, see what they say. Compare to forum responses. 5.) Decide what needs to be done. Fix or take to shop. Sad to say, in $ transactions, you can't necessarily trust -any- of these 'ere homo sapiens except yourself. There are knowledgable folks in this forum having no motivation to steer you wrong. Inquire respectfully, and listen to 'em. Best, Puddin' "Life is nothing but a competition to be the criminal rather than the victim." - Bertrand Russell >>> My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >>> This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Are you hauling another car? Do you have bags of cement in the trunk? Nope, that car is a body-on-frame full-size car. It is about 4,000 pounds. Read about the Panther Platform... Mine's a '99 Besides, your '94 'Bird (Superbird) has a curb weight of 3700 pounds (heavier than you think), almost as heavy as my Panther. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_Marquis#Third_generation_.281998-present.29 For yours, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Thunderbird#1989-1997_.22Super_Birds.22 Nice car, my first car was a 1979 T-Bird (Heritage Edition) with a 351 engine... SignatureDon't drink water, fish have sex in it! >>> My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >>> This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Are you hauling another car? Do you have bags of cement in the trunk? That 'Bird is a lot heavier than you think and probably has something wrong to use that much fuel. CV's/GM's do better than that. Lugnut >My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. > >I also only carry bills with me. If I get change I toss it onto the >parking lot as I leave. My 95 Caprice with the corvette 350 they used that year got 24 mpg on the freeway. My 04 Crown Vic P71 gets about 22 mpg. Both are large cars with pretty good performance. > My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. > This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. > > I also only carry bills with me. If I get change I toss it onto the > parking lot as I leave. > 94 t-bird.... You should be getting a lot more. Get a tune-up, drive nicely, and release the parking brake. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/compx2005f.jsp?year=1994&make=Ford&model=Thunderb ird&hiddenField=Findacar >> My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >> This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Get a tune-up, drive nicely, and release the parking brake. >http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/compx2005f.jsp?year=1994&make=Ford&model=Thunderb ird&hiddenField=Findacar Nice site. > My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. > This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. > > I also only carry bills with me. If I get change I toss it onto the > parking lot as I leave. Please don't feed the trolls. --=dj=-- >> My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >> This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Please don't feed the trolls. Troll? It's my MPG, how is that trolling? Would love this explanation. >My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. > >I also only carry bills with me. If I get change I toss it onto the >parking lot as I leave. 02 Town Car - 25.5 highway, 18.3 city - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Retired Shop Rat: 14,647 days in a GM plant. Now I can do what I enjoy: Large Format Photography Web Site: www.destarr.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. > This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. > > I also only carry bills with me. If I get change I toss it onto the > parking lot as I leave. For a tbird to get that poor gas mileage it would have to be running pretty bad, or the driver is an idiot. Mine (2,. tot 150,000 mi) has NEVER gotten below 20 mpg, even in times when I drove pure city/suburb. Discount 10% for them being v6's STILL 18 mpg. 21 hwy. I get 23 mixed. SignatureYeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the price you pay..DEAL with it! > My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. > This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. > > I also only carry bills with me. If I get change I toss it onto the > parking lot as I leave. You should get a Mercedes that is built in the USA. >> My car gets 17MPH Highway/12City. >> This is why I long to stay with the American car makers. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >You should get a Mercedes that is built in the USA. I read people complain about those since they've been built outside of Germany. Something about them having love gm/ford-like quality? They still charge the same mercedes prices though. |
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