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UAW to members: We'll fight givebacks

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Jim Higgins - 27 Mar 2007 12:02 GMT
UAW to members: We'll fight givebacks
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070327/AUTO01/703270420/1148

DETROIT -- The United Auto Workers union plans to take a realistic and
creative approach to future bargaining that takes into account the turbulent
economic environment, but the UAW will resist givebacks on bedrock issues
such as health care, pensions and job protections.

The union, preparing for critical contract talks this summer with Detroit
automakers, outlined its bargaining goals in a 103-page proposed resolution
that will be debated by UAW leaders during a two-day convention that begins
today at Cobo Center in downtown Detroit.

In the draft resolution, a copy of which was obtained by The Detroit News,
the union acknowledged that it has had to make tough decisions in recent
years, agreeing to modify wages, health care, pensions and other forms of
compensation to preserve jobs.

"The coming years will be just as tough -- if not tougher," the proposed
resolution states.

The UAW left open the door to continued flexibility. "Rather than stand idly
by as industries and companies decline, UAW members will be challenged as
never before to pursue alternative strategies to improve quality and
productivity in order to enhance new business and service opportunities."

But the resolution also makes clear that the union intends to take an active
role in determining how employers and the union can adapt to changing
economic conditions while preserving benefits and job security.

"As restructurings continue in UAW workplaces, we will advocate for workers
to receive the maximum possible protection for the wages, health care and
pensions we were promised -- and which we deserve in exchange for our years
of dedicated service," the resolution states.

UAW spokesman Roger Kerson could not be reached for comment late Monday.

As in years past, the proposed resolution was crafted with input from UAW
locals and regional subcouncils from around the country and could be
modified during this week's convention.

Ultimately, however, about 1,500 delegates representing UAW workers in a
variety of industries across the country are expected to approve the
resolution.

While the bargaining guidelines apply to all UAW-represented industries,
they are being finalized as the UAW prepares for what are expected to be
difficult negotiations with General Motors Corp., Ford Motor Co. and
DaimlerChrysler AG's Chrysler Group.

Since the last auto contracts were negotiated in 2003, the union has agreed
to unprecedented concessions to help Detroit's struggling Big Three more
effectively compete with lower-cost foreign rivals.

In 2005, the UAW agreed to landmark health care concessions at Ford and GM
and is considering granting the same givebacks to Chrysler. The union also
has worked with all of the Detroit manufacturers to offer blue-collar
workers early retirement and cash buyout packages to help the companies
streamline their work forces as part of major restructurings to restore
profits.

David Cole, chairman of the Center for Automotive Research in Ann Arbor,
describes the bargaining relationship between the UAW and the automakers as
"very mature."

"Labor and management work extremely well together," he said. "That bodes
well because this is a very, very dangerous period right now. I'm not sure
there is an issue in which the UAW will draw a line in the sand because they
realize they need a profitable Big Three to survive."

The bargaining goals detailed in the proposed resolution include pushing for
phased-in or trial retirement. The concept would allow workers to move
gradually into retirement by collecting pensions for two months a year while
working the other 10 months, for example. The next year, the worker would
collect a pension for four months and work eight. Within a few years the
worker would be fully retired.

The union also signaled some willingness to be more flexible on wages. The
UAW has already allowed lower wages for new hires at several auto suppliers
such as Delphi Corp. and American Axle & Manufacturing Inc. Some experts
predict the Big Three will push for a lower wage tier for new hires during
the contract talks.

"In some settings, unfortunately the prevailing industry standard is so low
that we have been forced to agree to new lower wage structures, particularly
for new hires," the resolution says. "The key in such situations is to
establish a realistic standard for that particular market and then work to
raise it."

Delegates began picking up their copies of the resolution on Monday.

"I'm very optimistic, actually," said delegate Darwin Cooper, vice president
of Local UAW 1112, which represents workers at GM's Lordstown, Ohio, plant.

"What I sense in this resolution compared to previous ones is more of a
sense of urgency," said Cooper, 60, who has attended two other bargaining
conventions.

"Pension, medical benefits are a big issue and most people understand now
the status quo is dead Mainly, I'm optimistic because I think intelligent
people head the union and the auto companies."

The bargaining goals detailed in the resolution also include:

a.. Seeking a reduction in the standard work week with no loss in pay. That
could include five days of fewer than eight hours, or a compressed work week
of four nine-hour days, according to the resolution.

a.. Resisting further shifting of health care costs to workers. GM, Ford and
Chrysler are expected to press hard for UAW members to pay more for health
care. Health care benefits are estimated to add $1,000 to the cost of every
domestic vehicle. GM. is the largest private purchaser of health care in the
United States, and reducing its annual $4.8 billion health care bill is a
key goal.

a.. Improving the funding status of pension plans and making it more
difficult for companies to replace traditional pension plans with
employee-contribution plans, such as 401(k)s.

a.. Protecting the rights of workers who are employed by a bankrupt company.
That includes "seeking membership on creditors' committees and otherwise
engaging in the bankruptcy process," according to the resolution. The union
also says it will be "vigorously contesting motions to cancel collective
bargaining agreements and discontinue retiree benefits." Several auto
suppliers have filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in recent years, most notably
Delphi, GM's former parts unit.

a.. Closing the gap between workers' pay and executive bonuses. The union's
four-year contracts with GM, Ford and Chrysler expire Sept. 14. The
convention unofficially starts today with a protest by rank-and-file
members, some of whom will pass out petitions demanding no more concessions.
The petition has already been signed by 2,500 auto workers in Metro Detroit,
according to protest organizers.

Later in the morning, President Ron Gettelfinger will address the delegates
to officially open the convention.

--
"If they pull a knife, you pull a gun. If they put one of yours in the
hospital, you put one of theirs in the morgue."
Sean Connery, "The Untouchables"
Mike Hunter - 27 Mar 2007 20:26 GMT
They call that bargaining bluster.  When the time comes, as it did with
Chrysler in the seventies, it will be the Union and the workers that do the
most to save the company   ;)

mike

> UAW to members: We'll fight givebacks
> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070327/AUTO01/703270420/1148
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> "The coming years will be just as tough -- if not tougher," the proposed
> resolution states.
Bob Brown - 29 Mar 2007 06:35 GMT
Would you rather have 10,000 jobs that have 50% better benefits than a
college grad OR no jobs because you negotiated yourself out of a job
by making your company unable to compete with Toyota and Honda.

Making more than $100 per hour for anything less than curing cancer is
indefensible.

>UAW to members: We'll fight givebacks
>http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070327/AUTO01/703270420/1148
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>Later in the morning, President Ron Gettelfinger will address the delegates
>to officially open the convention.
Mike Hunter - 29 Mar 2007 15:57 GMT
One might be careful for what they wish.  The UAW has lost over 800,000 good
paying American jobs since 1970.  Import vehicle manufactures, who mainly
only assemble vehicles in the US of mostly imported parts, the profit on
which go to Japan federal tax free, have only created about one third as
many jobs.  Workers in those import assembly plant earn around $5 less per
hour, have hearth care and other benefits that are not nearly as good as
offered by domestic manufactures and they do not even have a pension plan,
only a 401K to which few employees chose to contribute.  Is it any wonder
workers in Hondas Ohio plant are trying to unionize?

Circuit City is firing 3500 employees.  They are welcomed to reapply for
their old job, after a period of time, at $4 an hour less, because Circuit
City  say $14.50 an hour does not allow it to "compete in the market."

If greedy Americans continue to buy imports over the products, made by
American manufacturers in their own county everybody can soon see THEIR job
go away, or their wages and benefit reduced as well.  Wake up Americans,
those are your jobs you are loosing.

mike

> Would you rather have 10,000 jobs that have 50% better benefits than a
> college grad OR no jobs because you negotiated yourself out of a job
> by making your company unable to compete with Toyota and Honda.
Bob Brown - 30 Mar 2007 04:24 GMT
How many American Made parts does your computer have inside it?

I love how people say "buy American" but if you searched their homes
you'd find 75% of the items made somewhere else.

It's a nice saying but meaningless.

>One might be careful for what they wish.  The UAW has lost over 800,000 good
>paying American jobs since 1970.  Import vehicle manufactures, who mainly
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>> college grad OR no jobs because you negotiated yourself out of a job
>> by making your company unable to compete with Toyota and Honda.
Mike Hunter - 30 Mar 2007 18:00 GMT
DUH, are you that slow?  That is the point, if we continue to buy imports
over
domestically made products it will not only electronic equipment that takes
American jobs out of the country.  The US lost the textile industry over the
past ten years. Our shoe
companies are all going down the dumper as we speak.  Do you think the loss
of domestic production to imports lowers the cost?   If you do you have not
priced a pair of athletic shoes that cost from less than a dollar, for nylon
and plastic shoes to $5 tops, for leather shoes, to produce in countries
like Korea and China.

For American companies to stay in business they have no choice but to do
what their customers are doing, look for low cost production off shore, as
well.  Many are even moving the company of shore to escape high US taxes.
Who do you think will need to make up those lost taxes?

Everything I purchase is made in the US, if I can find products still made
in the US by American companies, before I will buy anything imported.  One
reason I stopped buying Toyotas and Lexus cars in 1999 was dealers were over
charging me for the cars and
the Japanese corporations take all of the profits they earn in the US back
to Japan, federal tax free.  If possible I even look for products made
within the states were I pay taxes.

The Japanese consumer is much smarter than greedy American consumers, they
buy Japanese products even if they cost more, to support their own economy.
They only buy imported products that are not made in Japan by a Japanese
company.

mike

> How many American Made parts does your computer have inside it?
>
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>>> college grad OR no jobs because you negotiated yourself out of a job
>>> by making your company unable to compete with Toyota and Honda.
zwsdotcom@gmail.com - 29 Mar 2007 12:36 GMT
> The petition has already been signed by 2,500 auto workers in Metro Detroit,

Translation: U.S. auto workers are committing suicide fast rather than
wait to die slow.

Without a strong, national-spirited government, globalization cannot
be fought. There is no longer a first-world country with such a
government; certainly not the U.S. The only way the American auto
industry can survive longterm is by reducing their labor costs to an
equivalent with China.

Since this cannot happen, given U.S. costs of living, it is inevitable
that the big three will either go out of business or become shell
companies selling cars engineered and manufactured in low-cost
countries. They might stave this off a bit if they used prison labor
and paid the govt. third-world rates for those prisoners.

Protests like this are merely steepening the slope towards this
inescapable outcome.
Mike Hunter - 29 Mar 2007 16:12 GMT
The greed of the America consumer will eventually cost them big time.  If
the US manufactures are forced to operate like the import manufactures, and
only assemble cars in the US of lower cost imported parts, at some point
none of the cars we buy will be assembled in the US.  It will be even
cheaper to assemble in the lower cost countries.  If you think that will not
happen you have not purchased an electronic product lately.

The America consumer is already being screwed by the Japanese car makers and
do not even know it.  If one is a smart shopper and shops many brands it
quickly become apparent it cost 20% to 30% more to drive home a Japanese car
than a similarly sized and equipped domestic.  Korean cars can still be
driven home for less but if you do a search you will discover the same car
can be purchased in Korea for less than half of what it costs in the US.

mike

>> The petition has already been signed by 2,500 auto workers in Metro
>> Detroit,
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> Protests like this are merely steepening the slope towards this
> inescapable outcome.
Bob Brown - 30 Mar 2007 04:25 GMT
>The greed of the America consumer will eventually cost them big time.

What percentage of the electronics you own, car and home, are made in
the USA?
zwsdotcom@gmail.com - 31 Mar 2007 22:27 GMT
> On Thu, 29 Mar 2007 11:12:23 -0400, "Mike Hunter"
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> What percentage of the electronics you own, car and home, are made in
> the USA?

It is no longer possible to buy domestically manufactured electronics
[exception: some extremely high-end specialist gear that's hand-built
in runs of hundreds or a couple of thousand at most, and military
electronics]. I think Mike H's point is that soon the auto industry
will be the same - I agree.
 
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