Ford and GM say factories in US face axe
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,,2156191,00.html
James Doran in New York
Sunday August 26, 2007
The Observer
Ford and General Motors have threatened to leave Detroit and take their
car manufacturing operations overseas if unions do not agree to a
massive pay cut for hourly paid workers.
The threat to quit the city they call Motown because of its rich
automotive heritage would be a crippling blow to Detroit, which is
suffering amid a prolonged economic downturn and has been hit by the
sub-prime mortgage crisis.
Ford and GM are in the thick of negotiations with the United Auto
Workers union, the most powerful labour group in the industry. The car
makers maintain they must dramatically reduce manufacturing costs if
they are to survive in today's global economy.
Their biggest burden is the current labour cost per vehicle - an
estimated $71 (around £35) per man hour. Workers earn about $27 an hour
with the remainder made up of overheads such as pensions and healthcare
costs for the thousands of retirees on their books.
Ford and GM have made it clear that they expect to reduce the hourly
cost from $71 to about $50 - a cut of about 30 per cent. The companies
are keen not to cut workers' hourly pay, but they insist that other
overheads must be reduced.
If a deal cannot be reached, Ford and GM negotiators have said the
companies will have no choice but to move their North American
operations to countries in Latin America and Asia where manufacturing
costs are cheaper.
The current credit crisis is not helping the ailing US car manufacturers
to reverse their fortunes. Many senior figures in the industry are
calling for action from the Federal Reserve to spur markets and the
economy. Bob Nardelli, the new Chrysler CEO, has been most vocal in
calling for an interest rate cut to help boost consumer activity.
Alan Mulally, the Ford chief executive, said last week that economic
conditions were proving to be a 'big headwind' working against the
company's turnaround plan. He stopped short of calling for an interest
rate cut but stressed the importance of 'focusing on economic growth'.
A GM spokesman said: 'From a GM perspective, the focus of the talks is
on closing the competitive gaps and building a viable long-term future
for the company and our people.'
Sources close to senior GM executives confirmed that the prospect of
shifting operations away from North America was very real. 'We have seen
it in every other industry,' one said. 'There are no sacred cows today.
Globalisation means just that, it's a worldwide playing field.'
Dave Cole, chairman of the Centre for Automotive Research, a leading car
industry think tank in Detroit, said: 'This threat is very real and the
UAW is aware of it. Both GM and Ford have made it clear to the union
that you do whatever you have to do to stay in business.'
The car makers are also discussing ways in which they can work together
with the UAW to offload billions of dollars of pension and healthcare
costs they have amassed. It is understood the talks focus on creating a
'Voluntary Employee Beneficiary Association', which would be part-funded
by the companies to take care of retiree health care costs. The talks
must reach a conclusion before their current contract with the UAW
expires on 14 September.
Steven Stone - 27 Aug 2007 13:25 GMT
Offshoring everything for the sake of cost and greed will result in the
downfall of the United States.
C. E. White - 27 Aug 2007 16:29 GMT
> Offshoring everything for the sake of cost and greed will result in
> the
> downfall of the United States.
So what is your solution? Because of labor costs (including pension
benefits for people who have not worked in a couple of decades) Ford
and GM have much higher labor costs than Toyota, Nissan, etc. Until
Ford and GM can convince people to pay BMW 3 Series prices for Fusions
and Malibus, they aren't going to make a lot of money on them. When
SUVs and pick-ups were hot with little real foreign competition, the
Big 2.5 could mask their labor cost problems by selling high profit
SUVs and trucks. Now SUVs and trucks are not so hot and the foreign
companies have saturated the market with competitive vehicles. GM can
lay off their entire US labor force and they still will have high US
labor costs because of all the people who have pensions. You can blame
management for this problem, but most of the guys who agreed to the
now ridiculous pension benefits had little choice at the time and
besides they are long retired (with really, really huge pensions). I
can't see where the UAW has much choice either. Since they let
retirees vote, any hint that they might let GM and Ford off the hook
for pension obligations will likely get the current UAW management
fired. So, the UAW management has to be tough, even though they know
they are likely to kill the golden goose. And the damn goose knows it
is likely to be choked to death if it hangs around. If you were the
goose what would you do? Fly away I bet.
Ed
B.B. - 27 Aug 2007 17:07 GMT
> Offshoring everything for the sake of cost and greed will result in the
> downfall of the United States.
I think we're already screwed. We all sold our our manufacturing
capacity overseas to make a quick buck. Then we spent that buck buying
back all the things we couldn't make anymore. So we've been buying it
on credit since.
Now we're out of credit.
f.cking MBAs.

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Mike Hunter - 28 Aug 2007 00:53 GMT
You are forgetting about the "greed" of the millions of American consumers
who have no problem buying low cost imports from foreign companies that do
not need to meet all of the American environmental, OSHA, and labor laws or
deal with the trial lawyers? After all THEY are the ones sending the jobs
of their children and grand children off shore. If Americans were like the
Japanese, who prefer to buy products made by there own corporations, stores
would not be full of imports and there would still be plenty good paying
jobs here in the US. I guess we did not believe all of the signs that said,
"buy American YOUR job depends on it."
mike
> Offshoring everything for the sake of cost and greed will result in the
> downfall of the United States.
BradandBrooks - 28 Aug 2007 08:05 GMT
Guys, every empire falls. Why would the US be different?
It's been a good ride but a short one. It's a global economy now. Have you
ever seen the world map re-drawn according to various assumtions? In terms
of population, the US is as big as California. In terms of wealth, it is
half the world. Americans consume faaaar more than they produce. The
scales are just balancing now.
Brad
> You are forgetting about the "greed" of the millions of American consumers
> who have no problem buying low cost imports from foreign companies that do
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>> Offshoring everything for the sake of cost and greed will result in the
>> downfall of the United States.