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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Cars / December 2007

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bending valves on a 3.8

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albino.monkey21@gmail.com - 23 Dec 2007 00:47 GMT
I have a 1994 lincoln continental 3.8 fuel injected v6. I was
wondering what the chances of bending the valves would be if the
timing chain slipped?
BerkshireBill - 23 Dec 2007 01:16 GMT
From what I've seen of that model you might stretch the chain but once it
breaks it's over for the engine.

Bill

>I have a 1994 lincoln continental 3.8 fuel injected v6. I was
> wondering what the chances of bending the valves would be if the
> timing chain slipped?
Fred - 23 Dec 2007 12:59 GMT
The timing chain on my old 83 mustang with the 3.8 "slipped" one day. Then
it ran poorly of course. A new chain and it was good as new.
Fred

> From what I've seen of that model you might stretch the chain but once it
> breaks it's over for the engine.
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>> wondering what the chances of bending the valves would be if the
>> timing chain slipped?
anon@idirect.ca - 23 Dec 2007 18:14 GMT
> From what I've seen of that model you might stretch the chain but once it
> breaks it's over for the engine.

It's not an "interference engine".

See for yourself here,

http://cylinderheadsupply.supersites.ca/interferenceengines/

Your valves won't suffer.
Shawn - 24 Dec 2007 00:55 GMT
On Dec 22, 8:16 pm, "BerkshireBill" <bkitt...@berkshire.rr.com> wrote:
> From what I've seen of that model you might stretch the chain but once it
> breaks it's over for the engine.

It's not an "interference engine".

See for yourself here,

http://cylinderheadsupply.supersites.ca/interferenceengines/

Your valves won't suffer.

What about a 2004 Ranger with a 4.0 Liter V6 ?
BerkshireBill - 24 Dec 2007 12:02 GMT
> On Dec 22, 8:16 pm, "BerkshireBill" <bkitt...@berkshire.rr.com> wrote:
>> From what I've seen of that model you might stretch the chain but once it
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> Your valves won't suffer.

The URL you provided has examples of timing belts not chains.  The mess a
slack timing chain makes is something I wouldn't want to clean up after.

Bill
anon@idirect.ca - 24 Dec 2007 13:16 GMT
> > <a...@idirect.ca> wrote in message
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> Bill

Bill , the question was "will the valves get bent?"

The answer is NO.

Others things may happen when a  chain slips but that is not what was
asked.

The Ford 3.8 is NOT an interference engine.

Google it if you don't believe me.
aarcuda69062 - 24 Dec 2007 14:22 GMT
> > On Dec 22, 8:16 pm, "BerkshireBill" <bkitt...@berkshire.rr.com> wrote:
> >> From what I've seen of that model you might stretch the chain but once it
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> The URL you provided has examples of timing belts not chains.  

There were a few timing chain engines mentioned in that list.

There were a number of engines excluded that I know for a fact
are valve or pushrod benders. i.e., Chrysler all small blocks,  
all Buick V-6s

Also; the list seems to be 10 years out of date.

IOWs, I wouldn't trust it a whole lot.

> The mess a
> slack timing chain makes is something I wouldn't want to clean up after.

Clean up is easy, it's scraping the gaskets that sucks. ;-)
Bob Urz - 25 Dec 2007 05:08 GMT
>>>On Dec 22, 8:16 pm, "BerkshireBill" <bkitt...@berkshire.rr.com> wrote:
>>>
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>
> Clean up is easy, it's scraping the gaskets that sucks. ;-)

I was told me 96 2.2 chevy was not a interference engine.
(chain, not belt) Tensioner went south, chain slipped.

Threw on new chain and still had no compression.
8 new valves later and a head job it was back running.....

Bob
Shawn - 26 Dec 2007 00:42 GMT
>> Clean up is easy, it's scraping the gaskets that sucks. ;-)
>
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>
> Bob

Got me licked. Unlikely that all cylinders will lose compression at once. Eighth
wonder of the world.
Ted Mittelstaedt - 23 Dec 2007 14:30 GMT
> I have a 1994 lincoln continental 3.8 fuel injected v6. I was
> wondering what the chances of bending the valves would be if the
> timing chain slipped?

These engines have a design flaw in that the coolant passages are too
close to the cylinder walls, as a result the head gaskets tend to fail
early.  Ford has paid out a lot in head gasket replacements under warranty
claims.  You need to be very diligent about checking the coolant level
in this engine.  As long as coolant level is maintained, your fine.  As soon
as the vehicle starts losing coolant, though, and there's no obvious
leaking,
get it in because coolant can contaminate the oil and then it's all over for
the main bearings.  When they do the head gaskets, they can do the timing
chain.  It's highly unlikely the timing chain will fail before the head
gasket.

If you keep an eye on it, the head gasket replacement will be fine if done
quickly.  If, however, you let it go for a few months, the engine needs to
be torn down and rebuilt.

However, if you have knowledge that the engine was poorly maintained,
by a prior owner, for example, then just drive it until the engine blows up
and get a rebuilt engine.  There's no shortage of engine cores in the
wrecking
yards for this model engine.

Ted
Shawn - 24 Dec 2007 00:52 GMT
>I have a 1994 lincoln continental 3.8 fuel injected v6. I was
> wondering what the chances of bending the valves would be if the
> timing chain slipped?

Timing chains don't slip. They may break or if the tensioner is weak may
skip a tooth. As for the valve question, it depends on if the engine is a
non-interference type (piston has cutouts for the valve face to fit into).
 
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