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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Cars / March 2008

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4.6 plug wires (again?)?

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Puddin' Man - 07 Mar 2008 03:50 GMT
'94 Tbird LX V8, 67k city mi, nursed gently.

By year 2001, plug wires were cross-firing like crazy. Replaced with
Motorcraft wires by dealer.

Seven years later I got a funny miss. It used to pull smoothly from
as lo as 1k rpm or so. Now it cuts out, particularly going up an incline.
A little like a car might've done 45 years ago if running cheap gas.

Motorcraft platinum plugs installed at 33k mi. Supposed to be good for
60-90k mi.?

I look after maintenance and repair pretty religiously. So far's I know,
everything else should be in good shape.

Does this smell like plug wires again? Is there any way to test?
Show an OBDII code or somesuch?

Q1: Are the newer Ford plug wires as defective as the old wires?

Q2: Are the newest Ford plug wires as defective as the original wires?

Why do Ford plug wires fail? I can't recall ever hearing of failed
wires on GM or Mopar motors.

 Thanks,
 Puddin'

"Blues starts to rolling ...
stops at my front do'.
I'm gonna change my way of livin' ...
won't have to worry no mo'."
    - from "Blues Before Sunrise", Leroy Carr, maybe 1934
packrat - 07 Mar 2008 12:26 GMT
> Why do Ford plug wires fail? I can't recall ever hearing of failed
> wires on GM or Mopar motors.

I don't think it is plug wires.

My 86 Crown Vic with 270k miles ran like a top until this winter when
it developed a miss-under-load sounding exactly like your problem.

First thing I did was put in a new set of plugs.  No change.  Problem
still there.

Having been on the original plug wires all that time, next thing I did
was put on new plug wires.  No change at all.  Problem still there.

Now I suspect the ignition module or throttle position sensor (TPS).
I'm leaning toward the TPS being the culprit, since it occurs only
when throttle is opened up.  My theory is that timing advance would
work off the signal from the TPS.  If TPS is sending an erratic signal
to the computer, the computer would do erratic timing advance,
occasionally causing cylinders to fire way before TDC, resulting in
random kick-backs under load, the exact problem I'm experiencing.

Here's another oddity:  It almost goes away on a warm 60+ degree day.
I suspect it would clear up completely on a 70+ degree day, but I
don't want to wait that long hoping the problem will fix itself.

FWIW, a similar problem was completely fixed on my 87 F150 300 6-cyl
pickup by putting new heat-sink grease between the ignition module and
distributor housing.  That might be a totally different issue though.
The deteriorating heat-sink grease problem on 80-ish 300 cid engines
was a well-known pervasive problem, even triggering a recall in
California due to accidents it caused when engines would start
misfiring severely enough to die at highway speeds (as mine did).
This problem on my 86 Crown Vic is not nearly that severe.

Maybe somone out there has had this problem and knows the soluton.

thanks!
george
wstiefer - 07 Mar 2008 12:55 GMT
Fuel filter?
Often overlooked, but essential. Will pass gas, but dirty gas. Probably no
need for additive(injector cleaner,) just motor on.

wws

> '94 Tbird LX V8, 67k city mi, nursed gently.
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>  won't have to worry no mo'."
>      - from "Blues Before Sunrise", Leroy Carr, maybe 1934
Tom Adkins - 07 Mar 2008 16:38 GMT
> '94 Tbird LX V8, 67k city mi, nursed gently.
>
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>  won't have to worry no mo'."
>      - from "Blues Before Sunrise", Leroy Carr, maybe 1934

It very well could be plug wires again. Make sure the air filter is
clean, change the fuel filter and clean the MAF sensor first, though.
Time and atmospheric conditions are the enemy of plug wires, not
mileage. Wires on any car are usually only good for 5-8 years, not
just Ford wires. The 4.6L in your car tends to need wires more often
than many, though. Pull the wires out of the intake and look at the
boots. Look for oil/coolant contamination or signs of arcing. If there
is liquid contamination new wires will fail quickly, you need to fix
the cause of the leak. Arcing (burn through on the boots) is often
caused by not using dielectric grease on the boots. Look for a hazy
grey spot on the side of the boot with a tiny pinhole in the center.
Look for tracking around the bottom lip of the boot.

Here's a couple of tips specific to your 4.6:
-Only use Motorcraft wires. They will burn up cheap wires very quickly
-Use standard copper or single platinum plugs, Motorcraft or NGK are
preferred. You WILL have issues if you use any Bosch spark plug in
that motor.
-Always use lots of dielectric grease on and in the spark plug boots.
-Periodically inspect and clean out the spark plug wells. Valve cover
seals often seep into the wells, ruining the boots.
Puddin' Man - 07 Mar 2008 22:09 GMT
Thanks, Tom.

I'll run all the checks when the weather improves: the wind chill is
now about 8 F. We keep getting these thrice-weekly blizzards ...

For now, I unplugged the MAF sensor for a short test drive.
It choked a tad when I first gave it gas, but I didn't have
the miss I had previously. Maybe it's just the MAF (hope, hope).

 Cheers,
 Puddin'

...

> It very well could be plug wires again. Make sure the air filter is
>clean, change the fuel filter and clean the MAF sensor first, though.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>-Periodically inspect and clean out the spark plug wells. Valve cover
>seals often seep into the wells, ruining the boots.

"Blues starts to rolling ...
stops at my front do'.
I'm gonna change my way of livin' ...
won't have to worry no mo'."
    - from "Blues Before Sunrise", Leroy Carr, maybe 1934
 
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