 |
 | Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us |
 | Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network |
Car Forum / Ford / Ford Cars / April 2008loose mystique air bag
Has anybody ever had the driver's airbag come loose by itself? (1996 Mystique) I suspect someone was trying to "pinch" it sometime when either the daughter or wife left the door unlocked for a short time and got scared away before they got it, because looking at the screws in the back of the steering wheel (with a mirror) there appeared to be fresh scratches in the allen screw heads ( they are NOT real easy to get to!!) ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** > Has anybody ever had the driver's airbag come loose by itself? (1996 > Mystique) [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** Take the car to a dealer and have it checked. You seem to be making the assumption that there is a working airbag in there. And you seem to have a loose air bag. Perhaps they got the airbag out, and just reassembled the steering wheel. Jeff >> Has anybody ever had the driver's airbag come loose by itself? (1996 >> Mystique) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > >Jeff Nope. It is still there. Passes diags. (I'm an ex mechanic) ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:32:19 -0400, clare wrote: >>> Has anybody ever had the driver's airbag come loose by itself? (1996 >>> Mystique) [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >Nope. It is still there. Passes diags. (I'm an ex mechanic) Well, there are two things it can be: Either somebody interrupted them before they got the airbag out, or they had enough time to steal the good airbag and plug in a blown and dummied airbag with an End Of Line Resistor to replace the squib, so the bag looks like it's still there to the computer. (The crooks who salvage and resell wrecked cars came up with fake airbags so they don't have to spend $2000 on a new set - they just fill the bag space with some spray-can foam or Bondo and fold the flap closed, replace the ripped Vinyl steering wheel cover pad, and disconnect the warning light or computer power so the light never comes on. It's happened enough that California made this a felony a few years ago.) Either way, if you don't want to pay someone to pop the steering wheel open and take a look to make sure it's the right one in there and unblown, and you consider yourself qualified to do it, I'd still insist that you track down a copy of the "Super Seekrit" Airbag Servicing Procedure before trying to do it yourself. Things like handling Explosive Ordnance you REALLY don't want to do yourself without the proper detailed instructions, and the special tools and training where necessary. The f**k-up potential is way too high, and can involve losing bodily parts permanently. --<< Bruce >>-- >On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:32:19 -0400, clare wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > --<< Bruce >>-- Like I said Bruce, I'm an Ontario Licenced mechanic - and I have the full manual set for this car. The airbag unit has NOT been changed. Still the same cover and all. My question was whether anyone has ever experienced the screws loosening themselves? The steering wheel and/or air-bag has never been removed from this car. The column cover has been off, and the multifunction switch has been removed and repaired (I did it last month because the main brake lights were not coming on - only the center brake lights - signals still worked. Bad connection on the MF switch - and if you know Mystique/Contour/Mondeo cars, the MF switch clips to the side of the steering column - removing the wheel is not required.) I really can't see the screws backing themselves out - and the fact there were scratches on the screw-heads makes me think someone was trying to remove it and got interrupted. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** Kind of a moot point, ain't it... I ahven't seen any of these screws back out from a factory instalation standpoint... If they were going to back out, I'd expect that it would happen early in the cars life rather than 12 years later... Yes... air bags are a popular "theft" item.... So what? Join your local COPS program... if you look out your window and see something amiss - report it... Other than that, tighten the f.cking screws and be done with it... >>On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 13:32:19 -0400, clare wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > trying to remove it and got interrupted. > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >Other than that, tighten the f.cking screws and be done with it... I think you be talkin' about a diffrent kind of "screw" Jim - but the little allen headed suckers have been tightened up and I will keep an eye on them. And SWMBO and daughter have been reminded the car must be locked ANY TIME they are not in it - even on the driveway. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >> Other than that, tighten the f.cking screws and be done with it... > I think you be talkin' about a diffrent kind of "screw" Jim - but the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > TIME they are not in it - even on the driveway. > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** It's not a bad idea to lock the car when she is in it, too. >>> Other than that, tighten the f.cking screws and be done with it... >> I think you be talkin' about a diffrent kind of "screw" Jim - but the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >It's not a bad idea to lock the car when she is in it, too. This one "auto-magically" locks when put in gear. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** You're not into woodworking by any chance, are you? >>Other than that, tighten the f.cking screws and be done with it... > I think you be talkin' about a diffrent kind of "screw" Jim - but the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > TIME they are not in it - even on the driveway. > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >You're not into woodworking by any chance, are you? As a matter of fact I do a little as a hobby - why do you ask? >>>Other than that, tighten the f.cking screws and be done with it... >> I think you be talkin' about a diffrent kind of "screw" Jim - but the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> TIME they are not in it - even on the driveway. >> ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** Been hanging around rec.woodworking? SWMBO is kind of a give-away... a little like DAMHIKT.. >>You're not into woodworking by any chance, are you? > As a matter of fact I do a little as a hobby - why do you ask? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >Been hanging around rec.woodworking? SWMBO is kind of a give-away... a >little like DAMHIKT.. SWMBO was also commonly used in several of the homebuilt aircraft forums. (also building a plane) and alternative aircraft engine groups (was going to use a Subaru, but settled on Corvair) ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:38:48 -0400, clare wrote: >Like I said Bruce, I'm an Ontario Licenced mechanic - and I have the >full manual set for this car. The airbag unit has NOT been changed. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >there were scratches on the screw-heads makes me think someone was >trying to remove it and got interrupted. So? Screws can back out on their own. But I've never heard of screws getting scratches on the head (like someone was putting a driver in the holes blind, and in a hurry) while backing themselves out. If you are willing to bet your life they didn't tamper with the bags, just tighten the screws and quit worrying us about it. My car, I'd pull the cover and take a peek to make sure I still have a real airbag under there, as they are a very popular theft item - and it has to be possible to fake the computer with an end-of-line resistor instead of a live blasting cap initiator. As long as the ignition was off while they worked, swapping the airbag for a dummy wouldn't trip an airbag trouble light. --<< Bruce >>-- >On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:38:48 -0400, clare wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > --<< Bruce >>-- As far as betting my life - I always wear a seat belt, and I'd be just as happy, generally speaking, driving a car without bombs factory installed in the dash. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** >> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:38:48 -0400, clare wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > installed in the dash. > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** Yet, without the bombs, you would still be driving a car with a 15 of so gallon tank of highly explosive fuel under the right circumstances. People are really bad at looking at risks. Only rarely do airbags go off when they shouldn't, and they do far more good than harm. You need to look at risks logically, not emotionally. Jeff >>> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 22:38:48 -0400, clare wrote: >>> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > >Jeff With collapsing steering column and seat belts they are a LOT safer today than the stuff I grew up with - even without the "passive restraints" The secret to surviving a crash is first of all to avoid crashing. A properly worn and properly functioning seat belt is VERY close to as effective as an air bag - but due to "American Civil Rights" nobody thinks they should be able to be forced by government to wear a seat belt (or a motorcycle helmet, etc) so the manufacturers are forced to install expensive "passive systems" to protect our sorry a.ses. A minor fender bender today - even one that does no damage beyond the bumper, body-wise - can write off a 3 year old car due to the internal damage when the bags go off. An aquaintance and friend of a friend lost her life about 3 years ago in a very minor traffic incident in Toronto when the bag went off and broke her neck. She was only 4'11" - and could NOT get an exemption to allow her to have the bag disconnected. Her death has made it possible for shorter drivers to LEGALLY have air bags dissabled in Ontario now. There was NO VISIBLE EXTERNAL DAMAGE to her car, and according to investigators it did not go off "prematurely" It was just a fluke that it went off - but the results were predictable given her size. I don't think air bags and antilock brakes, along with miriad other so-called"features" on today's cars should be mandated as standard equipment - or even encouraged as "recommended" equipment. People should learn to drive - - - - -. ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** > With collapsing steering column and seat belts they are a LOT safer > today than the stuff I grew up with - even without the "passive > restraints" Big snip Ditto on the steering wheel columns. Got a photo somewhere of my father in law's crashed '50's car with the steering wheel sticking up through the closed convertible roof. > An aquaintance and friend of a friend lost her life about 3 years ago > in a very minor traffic incident in Toronto when the bag went off and [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > People should learn to drive - - - - -. > ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** So you can get thrown in jail for disabling your own airbag in your own car? Thats BS, kinda like seat belt tickets and helmet laws. Next we will get tickets for eating fatty foods, drinking beer or smoking. Help me government! Save me from myself pleeeeeease!!!! lol Probably not the drinking beer one in Canada though ;) >> An aquaintance and friend of a friend lost her life about 3 years ago >> in a very minor traffic incident in Toronto when the bag went off and [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >So you can get thrown in jail for disabling your own airbag in your own car? No, but the automakers want to make it non-trivial to disconnect them. You can if you have a good reason, and you sign a form stating you are doing it on your own. The automakers don't want to disconnect them, and then get sued by your heirs and estate for the fatal accident where the airbags did NOT go off... Doesn't matter that you wanted the airbags disabled, if they do it (or even allow it) and can't prove your intent, they could lose big damage awards. >Thats BS, kinda like seat belt tickets and helmet laws. Actually, there is a compelling reason to require basic safety measures: Because when you get in the accident without seatbelts, or dump a bike and center-punch an Audi without a helmet on, the medical response teams can often save people who would have been by all rights better off left to die - because even though you have been saved, now you are a vegetable. Or a quad on a ventilator, or other nasty outcome. And when you run out of money and/or insurance (which in some cases is immediate, and in others doesn't take long) you are now a 'ward of the State' and Medicare/SSI Disability and Medi-Cal (or other state programs) will continue to care for you till you finally pass to your final judgment, all on the State's dime. And that means from the taxpayers pockets, you and me. If it was only as simple as the Biker's Credo to "Live Fast, Die Young and Leave a good looking corpse" it wouldn't be a problem. But they often don't leave a corpse, but a drooling sack of potatoes that will spend another 25 - 40 years in a hospital bed... >Next we will get tickets for eating fatty foods, drinking beer or smoking. > >Help me government! Save me from myself pleeeeeease!!!! lol > >Probably not the drinking beer one in Canada though ;) That one we can leave to social progress, for now. People are finally figuring it out on their own. Then again, there's the state prison inmate in (Kentucky?) suing the prison system claiming "They're starving me to death, the food is so bad and portions so small I've lost 100 pounds in 8 months!" He doesn't mention he went into the lockup at 408 pounds, and is now down to 308 on a standardized roughly 3,000 calorie diet. Da-yum, and you are complaining?! --<< Bruce >>-- >>> An aquaintance and friend of a friend lost her life about 3 years ago >>> in a very minor traffic incident in Toronto when the bag went off and [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > they often don't leave a corpse, but a drooling sack of potatoes that > will spend another 25 - 40 years in a hospital bed... I'll have to disagree on the helmet law thing, I think more often you'll end up dead without it. You hit your head on something in a motorcycle accident without a helmet I think its a given your brains wont stay in your skull. With the helmet you break your back or neck and and that's when you end up completly disabled. AND, to tell you the truth I don't really care either way, I don't think its right to mandate such things. BTW, you ever take a good look at the "helmets" most of the cruiser riders wear? Not much more then a 1/8" thick piece of plastic with a 1/4" piece of foam in it. FAR from DOT, and nobody inforces the law anyway. They are just faking it. Waist of time..................I shouldn't of said any of this, its just gonna make this thread go on forever......:) Oh hell why not.....>>>As far as the other stuff goes, lawyers have done a whole lot of damage to the great country of the USA....... soooo many sue happy pricks! as for the smoking, just goes to show you the government will let you do anything "unsafe" as long as you pay them enough money (taxes) for it. Why don't they outlaw snake wrangling and skydiving? ok ,I'm done. :) > >>> An aquaintance and friend of a friend lost her life about 3 years ago > >>> in a very minor traffic incident in Toronto when the bag went off and [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Actually, there is a compelling reason to require basic safety > > measures: Because when you get in the accident without seatbelts, or > I'll have to disagree on the helmet law thing, I think more often you'll end > up dead without it. You hit your head on something in a motorcycle accident > without a helmet I think its a given your brains wont stay in your skull. > With the helmet you break your back or neck and and that's when you end up > completly disabled. I ride daily and your full of sh.t, this kind of thing was disproved by the Hurt report among others. The reason helmets save lives is that most serious motorcycle accidents involve sliding forces where there's a lot of skin abrasion, or tumbling where arms and legs are flailed out and tend to snap. People can survive a lot of skin abrasion and a broken bone or two if they have no other major injuries. But add in a concussion and there are now more than 2 severe injury areas and the body can't recover from that, and they die. Modern motorcycle body armor is very good at protecting against the broken neck and broken back thing. > AND, to tell you the truth I don't really care either way, I don't think its > right to mandate such things. Helmets ARE NOT mandated in ANY state in the country for private roads. If you own the road you can do what you want. But when your on the public road, you must follow the rules of the road that the majority of people using that road have all agreed to abide by. Such as, driving a car with headlights on at night, driving on the right side of the road, (except if your in the UK), etc. The helmet law is absolutely no different than the law requiring you to drive on the correct side of the road, or the law requiring you to stop at a red light. People that cannot learn this basic fundamental fact eventually get ticketed, and if that doesen't explain it to them, they get more tickets, eventually having to pay higher insurance rates, and so on and so forth. This is basic Road Use 101 which you should have learnt in Drivers Ed. As for the airbags - they are SRS devices. Supplemental Restraint System devices. They were NEVER intended as a primary restraint, they only are for morons who don't wear seat belts. Ted >> >>> An aquaintance and friend of a friend lost her life about 3 years ago >> >>> in a very minor traffic incident in Toronto when the bag went off and [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > Ted If you can't see the difference between driving on the wrong side of the road, driving at night without your lights on, not stopping a red light and not wearing a helmet, your head is full of sh.t. Those first 3 things envolve other drivers getting physically hurt because of your actions, your own helmet does not. And I'm not talking about if its a law or not, or if you get a ticket or not. That has NOTHING to do with what I'm saying. Oh and another thing, I ride a motorcycle and ALWAYS wear a helmet (legal, safe, full face one) so obviously that doesn't even have anything to do with what I'm saying. Oh and BTW, I didn't say crap about private roads. And to the guy that said we need helmet laws because of the state having to take care of them: I bet you would like to have the government outlaw Big Macs because they are bad for you and it costs the state money to take care of your bad heart? Oh, that is unless YOU like Big Macs then thats different I bet ? What about the airbags? Do you think its ok to mandate them? They are only a supplement so thats different? Or is it? What about cars that didn't come with them, force the owner to install them? I don't think it should be a law to wear seat belts either. Even though I do. I just don't think its right to tell people what to do if it doesn't harm me. (within reason, such as: your fat, Big Mac eating a.s will raise my heath insurance rates, but to me that's not within reason) I am curious where you draw the line...The helmet? The Big Mac? the Cigarettes? Crossing a busy street? With or without a cross walk? Does it matter? Riding a bicycle without a helmet? Eating sushy? Drinking caffeninated coffee? Getting or not getting a flu shot every year? Going swimming and not waiting 30 minutes after you eat? Going 56mph in a 55? how out 57? Driving in the rain? Taking the tag off of your matress? Where do you draw the line ???? . I do have a problem with the government telling me what to do and when to do it, and I am sick of reading that stupid warning on plastic bags that say "Don't put this bag over your head, choking hazard!" LOL no sh.t, give me a break. >If you can't see the difference between driving on the wrong side of the >road, driving at night without your lights on, not stopping a red light [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Oh and BTW, I didn't say crap about private roads. Okay, turn off the Drama Machine, guy... ;-) I don't ride a motorcycle on the street, but I do drive a Honda Odyssey - FL350, not the minivan. And with a DOT & Snell Approved helmet, a real one not the Taiwan Fake biker bucket with the counterfeit sticker. Even with the roll cage, I'm not willing to chance it. But I have a boss and several relatives who ride bikes - and one was in Law Enforcement Motors for 35+ years and was saved from three bad wrecks that would have been life threatening without the helmet and leathers. Better the leathers wrecked than the skin under them... It is a constant of the universe - Ride a bike on the street even occasionally, and odds are you WILL drop the bike hard at least once. You get cut off by a brain donor making a left turn in front of you, or hit a hidden patch of sand or ice or water in a turn, or hit road debris and cut a tire at speed... If nothing else, your wearing a real helmet and other proper PPE will leave a smaller greasy stain on the pavement when you wreck, the mess that one of us has to come along and scrub up - and then have nightmares about it for years. >And to the guy that said we need helmet laws because of the state having to >take care of them: I bet you would like to have the government outlaw Big >Macs because they are bad for you and it costs the state money to take care >of your bad heart? Oh, that is unless YOU like Big Macs then thats different >I bet ? That's a good point but a separate matter. I'll only make this comment on that train of thought... That Big Mac should come with a 'Nutrition Facts" labeling on the package, and once a week isn't going to kill anyone - but having two a day, every day, is a recipe for disaster. All things in moderation. And it would make it a lot easier on the purchasers to make better choices if the cheapest items on the menu weren't also the ones that are the worst for you. All things being equal, the chicken choices should cost less - but they label them "Premium" and "Select" and charge extra. >What about the airbags? Do you think its ok to mandate them? They are only a >supplement so thats different? Or is it? What about cars that didn't come >with them, force the owner to install them? That's not an issue anymore, since most everything on the road now had belts installed - but I DID install my own seatbelts twice in cars that didn't come with them. 1961 Corvair, 1962 IH Scout. Airbags should remain optional (allow for disconnection for good cause) as long as the owner knows the risks and is willing to accept them. And not just lip service "Gimme the forms and where do I sign?" > I don't think it should be a law to wear seat belts either. Even though I >do. I just don't think its right to tell people what to do if it doesn't [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >"Don't put this bag over your head, choking hazard!" LOL no sh.t, give me >a break. If you are going to "rebel against the rules", at least do it on things that really matter and after well considered thought - Don't protest just to protest. California requires bicycle helmets for riders under 18 - but for adults helmets are optional. And there are parents who are proactively insisting their kids wear helmets on the family outing around the neighborhood, but when they go out riding with their children they won't wear one themselves... The Clue Phone is ringing, and what a wonderful example you're setting there, Poindexter! Kids heal fast, parents don't, and the helmets are not expensive. The warning labels on plastic bags and windshield sun-shades ("Remove From Windshield Before Driving") are not there for public safety, only so you can't sue the manufacturer for doing something totally stupid, yet legally foreseeable. --<< Bruce >>-- > Next we will get tickets for eating fatty foods, drinking beer or smoking. In the case of smoking, it's called "taxes." >> Has anybody ever had the driver's airbag come loose by itself? (1996 >> Mystique) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jeff Must be some nice thieves in your neighborhood. Steal the airbag and then replace it with a fake. Hmmmm When they steal chrome rims do they put steel ones with chrome hub caps back on so you can get to work? What about the whole car? Would they take your Corvette and replace it with a Camaro? Or since this is a Ford group, take your Lincoln and put a Ford in its place ? Sorry, couldn't resist. :) |
Reply to this Message |
 Sign In
 Join
 My Latest Posts My Monitored Threads My Blog My Photo Gallery My Profile My Homepage Start New Thread Enable EMail Alerts Rate this Thread
|
©2008 Advenet LLC Privacy Policy - Terms of Use
This website includes both content owned or controlled by Advenet as well as content owned or controlled by third parties.