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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Cars / June 2008How many cylinders? Lincoln LS
Okay, I grew up in the days of the straight 6, V-8's, in-line 4s... New cars confuse me. Although I was pretty good with points and condensers. HAHA. So, my son bought a Lincoln LS. He lives an hour away. He does not KNOW what type of engine it has. He is bringing it "home" on Sunday for me to show him how to change the oil, filters, etc. At least I can still do some things. But, I need to buy the filters beforehand. And we are in a very rural area and I can buy the filters on Saturday or not at all. So, is there an easy way for him to know how many cylinders his car has, so I can buy the right parts tommorrow (Saturday)? The parts store said some of the parts are the same on both cars, but others are different.... Engine displacment will be on a decal under the hood... This is a good thing.... VIN 8 is engine displacement (this is the 8th digit of the VIN)... This is a good thing.... I'm a top posting bastuhd... this is a good thing.... > Okay, I grew up in the days of the straight 6, V-8's, in-line 4s... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The parts store said some of the parts are the same on both cars, but > others are different.... > Engine displacment will be on a decal under the hood... This is a good > thing.... VIN 8 is engine displacement (this is the 8th digit of the VIN)... > This is a good thing.... > > I'm a top posting bastuhd... this is a good thing.... What's a bastuhd? I heard of a bastard before, but not a bastuhd. Either way, top-posting is not good. However, your understanding that you're a bastard is a good start. Now, you need to understand that top posting is rude and only idiots do it. More accurately, the 8th digit specifies the particular engine, not engine displacement. For example, the Taurus had different engines with the same displacementment (Vulcan and Duratec). They had different 8th digits. You can find out more by entering a particular VIN here: https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/VIN_tools/default.asp. Alternatively, you can download a VIN guide in the PDF format, and use that to find out the engine the car has. Jeff >> Okay, I grew up in the days of the straight 6, V-8's, in-line 4s... >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> The parts store said some of the parts are the same on both cars, but >> others are different.... That's easy, count the plugs. TheV6 and the V8 are they same modular engine that can be of a number of differnt cylinders >>> So, is there an easy way for him to know how many cylinders his car >>> has, so I can buy the right parts tommorrow (Saturday)? >>> >>> The parts store said some of the parts are the same on both cars, but >>> others are different.... > That's easy, count the plugs. So, by that metric,how many cylinders is a 1994 Ranger with a 2.3 liter engine? > TheV6 and the V8 are they same modular engine > that can be of a number of differnt cylinders One is a 60* V-6 the other is a 90* V-8. There is no way they can be "they same modular engine." >> That's easy, count the plugs. > >So, by that metric,how many cylinders is a 1994 Ranger with a 2.3 liter >engine? All2.3s are 4cyl, even though some rangers would appear to be VERY narrow V8s >> TheV6 and the V8 are they same modular engine >> that can be of a number of differnt cylinders > >One is a 60* V-6 the other is a 90* V-8. > >There is no way they can be "they same modular engine." ** Posted from http://www.teranews.com ** > >> That's easy, count the plugs. > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > All2.3s are 4cyl, even though some rangers would appear to be VERY > narrow V8s " That's easy, count the plugs." It is obvious to the observer that the engine has two plugs per cylinder If you are correct than the information I was given was not correct. ;) >> That's easy, count the plugs. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > There is no way they can be "they same modular engine." > It is obvious to the observer that the engine has two plugs per cylinder Really? The OP states; "So, my son bought a Lincoln LS. He lives an hour away. He does not KNOW what type of engine it has." If he can't manage to look at the VECI sticker, how could one suppose that he could determine one plug per cylinder from two? > If you are correct Feel free to prove me wrong. > than the information I was given was not correct. ;) Apparently, you have a lot of questionable sources. I'm not sure, does he go a public school? >> It is obvious to the observer that the engine has two plugs per cylinder > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If he can't manage to look at the VECI sticker, how could one suppose > that he could determine one plug per cylinder from two? > I'm not sure, does he go a public school? I got a great education at a public school. There are many excellent public schools like Mastermin in Philly and Advancements in NYC. So, a public school does not mean a bad education. (Of course, teaching in Harlem, I know that it does not necessarily mean a good one, either.) Jeff >>> It is obvious to the observer that the engine has two plugs per cylinder >> Really? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> If he can't manage to look at the VECI sticker, how could one suppose >> that he could determine one plug per cylinder from two? >> I'm not sure, does he go a public school? > > I got a great education at a public school. There are many excellent > public schools like Mastermin in Philly and Advancements in NYC. So, a > public school does not mean a bad education. (Of course, teaching in > Harlem, I know that it does not necessarily mean a good one, either.) That should be Stuyvesant in NYC. Bad spell checker. > Jeff > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> If he can't manage to look at the VECI sticker, how could one suppose >>> that he could determine one plug per cylinder from two? Etto Brute? LOL >>> I'm not sure, does he go a public school? >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >>>> If he can't manage to look at the VECI sticker, how could one suppose >>>> that he could determine one plug per cylinder from two? I know, two of my dragsters are tacher. I should have said inné city public schools, like Detroit or DC >> I'm not sure, does he go a public school? > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >>> If he can't manage to look at the VECI sticker, how could one suppose >>> that he could determine one plug per cylinder from two? > I know, two of my dragsters are tacher. I should have said inné city > public schools, like Detroit or DC NYC has some excellent inner city schools, like the Bronx Science HS (I forget the formal name of the school). In addition, Detroit has the Renaissance HS and Washington DC has Dubnar High School. Both cities, as well as New York City and Philadelphia have other excellent high schools. Unfortunately, the real problem, IMHO, in NYC and other big cities is that the parents, for multiple reasons, are not nearly as involved in their community and schools as they should be. The Upper West Side (UPS) has many excellent schools (in NYC). Just north of UPS has many crappy schools and a few good ones. Suburban and rural schools run from crappy to excellent, too. Jeff >>> I'm not sure, does he go a public school? >> I got a great education at a public school. There are many excellent [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >>>> If he can't manage to look at the VECI sticker, how could one suppose >>>> that he could determine one plug per cylinder from two? You are correct it is not the teacher but the conditions under which the must work, the administrators, the conditions at home and the help or lack of it for them and the kids, from the parents. Union contracts that require all teachers with equal training to be paid the same, without regard to WHERE they have to work or how well or badly they teach. Teachers are not like line workers, putting nuts on bolts. My local schools graduate 98 percent of the students, most with honors and high honors. Well over 70% go own to schools of higher education. That is not the same in big city schools, certainly not in Philadelphia >> I know, two of my draughters are teachers. I should have said inner >> city public schools, like Detroit or DC [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Jeff > I'm not sure, does he go a public school? Where do you see an indication that the OPs son is in any school at all? > >> It is obvious to the observer that the engine has two plugs per cylinder > > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > If he can't manage to look at the VECI sticker, how could one suppose > > that he could determine one plug per cylinder from two? If I knew that I would not have ask the question, right? ;) >> I'm not sure, does he go a public school? > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> > If he can't manage to look at the VECI sticker, how could one suppose >> > that he could determine one plug per cylinder from two? > If I knew that I would not have ask the question, right? ;) And the relevancy is? To what? >> If I knew that I would not have ask the question, right? ;) > > And the relevancy is? > That's easy, count the plugs. TheV6 and the V8 are they same > modular engine that can be of a number of differnt cylinders Some Ranger 4 cylinders had two plugs per cylinder.... Ed > That's easy, count the plugs. TheV6 and the V8 are they same > modular engine that can be of a number of differnt cylinders Ford has never built a V-6 in the modular engine family (4.6L V-8, 5.4L V-8, 6.9L V-10). Maybe they planned one, but they never actually produced one. The V-8 and V-6 engines in a Lincoln are from completely different engine families, neither of which are related to the Ford modular engine family. The V-6 is related to the Duratec 3.0L V-6 sold in many Ford products, but it is actually a different engine that has some of the same basic dimensions and shares some parts. Not sure of all of the differences but if you look at the costs, the LS V-6 costs a lot more than the Duratec V6 from a Sable. Wikipedia lists some of the differences (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_Duratec_engine#Duratec_30 ). Apparently the heads are completely different. The LS V8 was designed for Jaguar but was/is built in a Ford retained plant (Bridgend plant). See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaguar_AJ-V8_engine#3.9 . Ed Well... a bastuhd is a way of saying bastard... just gentled down a wee bit.... as for top posting being stupid - f.ck you.... scrolling down through line after line of stuff that should have already been read is stupid.... Scrolling down through line after line to read <More accurately, the 8th digit specifies the particular engine, not engine displacement> . Would it surprise you, Skippy, that a "particular" engine is going to have a particular displacement.... the need to differentiate between Vulcan and Duratec (or between Windsor and Romeo for that matter) will come when we get a little deeper into it... maybe... Using VIN 8 - you will get the engine displacement at the same time you get any other pertinent data... Look at it this way, Jeffy.... if you don't like my style - don't look. I've been trying my damnedest to get people on this NG either educated or thinking for themselves for a long time - Perhaps you could mount a campaign to get everyone to tell this top posting bastuhd to FOAD.... Now... has this message been top posted or bottom posted? Of course, you are right!!!! Top posted it is.... Notice you didn't have to scroll through line after line of drivel to read it.... Whoops... look down!!! sh.t!!!! There ain't anything down there!!!! Maybe it's not top posted.... maybe it's bottom posted and all the stuff at the top has been removed?????? OMG... How will we know???? There's nothing up top..... I didn't have to scroll through anything - it MUST be top posted. BUT..... There ain't nothing down below. If there's nothing underneath it - how can it be top posted? Top posted? Bottom posted? Some of you guys are absolute f.cking wieners about absolutely nothing.... If you pretend there is nothing below my reply... I'll pretend there's nothing above yours.... Least of all sh.t that should have already been read... Jim, if people did not mess up their computers in the first place, there would not be any top post bottom post arguments, because top post is the default setting on computers. and you are not a stoopid bartstard. you are an idjiot wrench puller. i are the stoopid bartstard. :-) > Well... a bastuhd is a way of saying bastard... just gentled down a wee > bit.... as for top posting being stupid - f.ck you.... scrolling down [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > nothing above yours.... Least of all sh.t that should have already been > read... Tom... you are quite right... but - you have also shown that you can be a slut for sh.t and abuse.... This part has been shamelessly top posted.... If it makes the wieners any happier, I suggest they scroll to the very bottom and see how f.cking stupid things can get.... > Jim, if people did not mess up their computers in the first place, there > would not be any top post bottom post arguments, because top post is the [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] >> nothing above yours.... Least of all sh.t that should have already been >> read... Tom... you are quite right... but - you have also shown that you can be a slut for sh.t and abuse.... This part has been shamelessly bottom posted. If you are an anti-top poster, you will need to explain to me why it is preferable to scroll through all those lines of fluff to get to this idiotic little statement. If you are a pro-bottom poster - you will have to explain yadda yadda yadda.... Now... here' is another conumdrum.... Was this a top post or a bottom post? Tell him to go to ebay, search Lincoln LS and look at the engine pictures in a few of the ads. for instance, this one shows the engine in a V6 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lincoln-LS-w-Luxury-Pkg-05-LS-PremiumV6-Gas-aver- Leather-Loaded-CarfaxCertified_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ31850QQihZ016QQitemZ26 0248439887QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW and this one shows a V8 http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Lincoln-LS-WE-FINANCE-2005-LINCOLN-LS-LS-V8-SPORT -A-C-SEATS-ROOF-38K-17RIMS_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ31850QQihZ010QQitemZ200230 573215QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW In those picts you will notice that the engines looks quite different, and in fact V8 or V6 is written on the top cover. > Okay, I grew up in the days of the straight 6, V-8's, in-line 4s... > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The parts store said some of the parts are the same on both cars, but > others are different.... > Tell him to go to ebay, search Lincoln LS and look at the engine > pictures in a few of the ads. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> The parts store said some of the parts are the same on both cars, but >> others are different.... If the car has a manual transmissions, it's a Duratec V6. IIRC, both the V6 and V8 were available with the automatic transmission. Jeff > Okay, I grew up in the days of the straight 6, V-8's, in-line 4s... > > New cars confuse me. Although I was pretty good with points and > condensers. HAHA. OP again. Glad I gave the group a good subject to debate. LOL. Dear son is a high school dropout, I blame the school for a number of reasons, but this is a car forum... Anyway, he managed to get a minimum wage job working for a law firm. Within a few months, they saw he actually did have a brain, although it is NOT mechanically-oriented. So, he got a decent raise and a better job and bought the Lincoln. Asked him to open the hood Friday night to look for any stickers, etc. Well, the car has a giant plastic engine cover that says "Lincoln V-8," so we figured it was probably a V-8. He showed up today...and guess what...it is a V-8. We got all the warning lights turned off that had been pestering him by flashing "change this, check that." We changed oil, oil filter and Cabin Filter. We left the air filter....the engine has been customized and it sports a $70 K&N air filter....it looked clean. > So, my son bought a Lincoln LS. He lives an hour away. He does not > KNOW what type of engine it has. Go to https://www.fleet.ford.com/maintenance/vin_tools/default.asp and input the VIN. This will give you the engine size. If the eighth digit is an "A" the car as the 3.9L V-8, otherwise the V-6. Ed |
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