Here is some background information which may be important:
The vehicle was originally taken into the dealer due to a heater
problem. It took a long time to heat the interior because there was
very limited heat output into the interior. The fan had to be on low
to get any heat at all.
The dealer replaced the heater core. After this I am not 100% sure of
what happened when. However, either because the car was overheating
or becuase the heat was no longer working, the dealer replaced the
thermostat.
After leaving the shop with the thermostat, the air conditioner would
not work. A few miles down the road it started working. I think the
overheating problem started after this but I am no longer sure.
At first the problem only seemed to occur after a very long drive with
stops after the drive. It may have had the problem if I made shorter
trips but I normally drive about seventy files each way before I stop.
The problem continued to get worse, so I switched vehicles with my
wife. The problem showed up on her twenty mile compute much more than
on my long distance commute. She has to stop at lots of red lights.
I took the car back to the dealer and they said they detected a trace
of exhaust gas in the coolant. That is when I decided to use the
block seal. While flushing the system, I noted that the heater was
putting out well. While installing the seal, I noted that the heater
was not putting out. The thermostat was removed at the time.
After installing the block seal, I flushed the system and installed
new coolant. The next day, I drove about 10 miles watching the engine
temperature the entire time. The temperature was perfect when I
stopped the engine for about 30 minutes. I then started and drove
about five miles down the interstate. I exited and the temperature
was still perfect until I stopped at the fourth red light. At that
point, the temperature shot way up.
I immediately started the drive back home while attempting to avoid
stops. I made the first red light but had to stop at a stop sign. The
stop was very brief and the temperature was slightly high but did not
seem to increase (probably had already lost enough coolant to explain
the slightly elevated temperature). I drove 15 miles and the
temperature remained the same. I stopped at another red light about
five miles from home and the temperature started to increase after a
few seconds. I drove the remainging five miles at highway speed with
the temperature as before until I stopped in the driveway. The
coolant was bubbling out when I stopped the car and the temperature
increased.
Later that day, I replaced the coolant, added barsleak and idled the
car about 15 minutes. The temperature increased to just below high
and then decreased slightly.
After leaving the car off for a couple of hours, I made a trip about
two miles up the road with three stops. By the time I returned to my
drive way and stopped, the temperature was very high and the coolant
was bubbling strongly.
Two days later, I drove the car about five miles and stopped for an
hour. No problem at all. Got back in and drove two miles and there
was a stream of coolant on the concrete when I left the parking lot.
The temperature was fine for the five miles it took to return home but
the resevoir was low on coolant.
Here are the responses to your questions:
>Doesn't sound to me like a head or gasket problem.
>I'm assuming you havent found coolant in the oil or vice-versa.
I did not find any coolant in the oil or any oil in the coolant. Both
appear clean. There was a trace of exhaust gas in the coolant which
is why I applied the block sealer.
>Several things you need in a cooling system:
>-Proper coolant flow (good flow, unobstructed)
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>you're missing a vane or two on the water pump or there is an
>obstruction?
Is there anyway to check coolant flow without pulling the water pump?
>-Have you flushed recently? maybe flush it in sections (gently).
I flushed it completely, after I started having the problem after the
dealer changed the thermostat and couldn't find a problem.
I flushed it again to add the sealer.
>Could be the block sealers made the problem worse, too.
It does not seem any worse and has not changed from before I added it.
>-Perhaps the fans ARENT really coming on like they should...or maybe
>not at full speed? They should have full ~13.8volts when engine hot.
I will check the voltage on my next trip out.
>-Temp sensor not allowing fans to go to FULL speed?
How do I check this?
>-Is the cap doing it's job? cheap to replace.
I already replaced the cap which made no difference. I have since put
the original one back on because the replacement seemed buckled.
>-Thermostat incorrect or incorrectly installed?
I reinstalled the thermostat with the same orientation as the dealer
which appears to be correct. The pointy end is toward the radiator.
The jiggle valve is up. Unfortunately, I did not test the thermostat
while I had it out.
.. Thanks,
.. Commercial Pilot and CFIG
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>Don Byrer KJ5KB
>Radar Tech & Smilin' Commercial Pilot Guy
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