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Marko - 14 Dec 2008 17:04 GMT
Southern foriegn car workers have no union to protect them...now they are
bitching. If they don't like then form a Union or get over it.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/13/AR2008121302207.
html?hpid=topnews

Dioclese - 16 Dec 2008 11:58 GMT
> Southern foriegn car workers have no union to protect them...now they are
> bitching. If they don't like then form a Union or get over it.
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/12/13/AR2008121302207.
html?hpid=topnews

All this mess is very confusing to me because of the different standards
applied, depending on what your opinion is.

All I know is if I owned a company, and, the product was rapidly losing
sales; it would be imperative to reduce labor that produces that product in
some fashion or another.

Health care benefits and retirement packages were agreed as a stipulation of
employing said union worker.  This baggage grows as time goes forward.  If
the employer fails to anticipate worst case scenarios in the business of
making cars when making that agreement, then its doomed to fail.   That's
true in any business model.

Reducing one's hours on a voluntary basis is the beginning of reducing
labor.  Usually escalating to mandatory reduction of hours.  Followed by
layoffs.  This is typical, nothing unusual.

Relatively speaking of wages related to their corresponding local economies,
I believe the Smyrna Nissan workers actually have more buying power.  The
primary difference being is the baggage that UAW carries for retired workers
and health care.  How big is this baggage is not really addressed by the
article.

Typically, southerners are more likely to have to work with less pay, even
in relation to their local economy.  As a result, they've acclimatized to
that.  They are less likely to bite the hand that's feeding them.  Further,
so-called thrift tips I've seen lately on national and local news are
already utitlized by such peoples.  Some even consider such tips as insults
to their intelligence and survival techniques.
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2008 Focus , 5 spd no frills coupe- to date per fillup - 33 mpg low - 39 mpg
high.

How much CO footprint to remove and transport basic materials for batteries
and to manufacture the batteries for the Ford Fusion and any other hybrid?

Al Westwood - 16 Dec 2008 12:47 GMT
>> Southern foriegn car workers have no union to protect them...now they are
>> bitching. If they don't like then form a Union or get over it.
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>already utitlized by such peoples.  Some even consider such tips as insults
>to their intelligence and survival techniques.

American auto workers are pussies.  Unions once had a purpose, now
they serve no purpose.  Unions in the 21st century are a cancerous
group of organized labor force mislead by union leadership.
Dioclese - 19 Dec 2008 00:45 GMT
>>> Southern foriegn car workers have no union to protect them...now they
>>> are
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> they serve no purpose.  Unions in the 21st century are a cancerous
> group of organized labor force mislead by union leadership.

No, its the beginning of a closed circle.  The genuine purpose of the union
will surface again, and unions will form again.  The hardships that workers
will face before that will be the signal for that to start again.  Lessons
learned from the past were soon forgotten by your typical observations.
Instead, we must regress and do it again and again until learned.
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2008 Focus , 5 spd no frills coupe- to date per fillup - 33 mpg low - 39 mpg
high.

How much CO footprint to remove and transport basic materials for batteries
and to manufacture the batteries for the Ford Fusion and any other hybrid?

me - 20 Dec 2008 01:30 GMT
>No, its the beginning of a closed circle.  The genuine purpose of the union
>will surface again, and unions will form again.  The hardships that workers
>will face before that will be the signal for that to start again.  Lessons
>learned from the past were soon forgotten by your typical observations.
>Instead, we must regress and do it again and again until learned.

Actually, the need is still there. Unions don't care about anyone but
themselves, but neither does management. Both are out to screw each
other for whatever they can get.

Small, non-union business is the only place where you find management
treating employees fairly and as an asset - and the only place you
find employees still dedicated to hard work and their employer's
success.
Ed Pawlowski - 20 Dec 2008 03:01 GMT
"me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message

> Small, non-union business is the only place where you find management
> treating employees fairly and as an asset - and the only place you
> find employees still dedicated to hard work and their employer's
> success.

Reminds me of a conversation my boss, the owner of our company had with a
visitor another small company owner.

Visitor:
I have to go back to the office to do the one job I hate the most.  Turn in
payroll to pay my employees

My Boss
That is my favorite part of the week.  When I pay employees, I know business
is good and we are making money.  They help me do it.  . I hope my payroll
keeps growing.

Needless to say, we have the most loyal employees you can find.  Last
employee that quit was about 4 years ago when he moved to Florida because of
his wife's health.   In 20 years, there have never been a layoff.  We've
never missed a paycheck.  I could tell you story after story of how
employees are taken care of.  After 10 or 15 years, you get a nice benefit
too.  In my case, after 15 years the company told me to take my wife to
dinner.    Oh, did I mention to a restaurant in Italy?  And repeat it for 10
nights from Rome to Venice to Milan

You don't get that in a union shop. .
Mike Marlow - 20 Dec 2008 06:13 GMT
> Needless to say, we have the most loyal employees you can find.  Last
> employee that quit was about 4 years ago when he moved to Florida because of
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> dinner.    Oh, did I mention to a restaurant in Italy?  And repeat it for 10
> nights from Rome to Venice to Milan

Edwin - what is it about you that causes your boss to want you to be so far
away for a week and a half? Maybe you should consider laying off the spicy
food for a while...

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Ed Pawlowski - 20 Dec 2008 14:53 GMT
> On Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:01:20 -0500, Ed Pawlowski cast forth these pearls
> of
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> away for a week and a half? Maybe you should consider laying off the spicy
> food for a while...

I took a shower just a couple of weeks ago too.
Rock Hardson - 30 Dec 2008 02:14 GMT
> "me" <noemail@nothere.com> wrote in message
>>
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>
> You don't get that in a union shop. .

And do you really think that would continue if they no longer had US
competition??
Caesar Romano - 20 Dec 2008 11:10 GMT
>>No, its the beginning of a closed circle.  The genuine purpose of the union
>>will surface again, and unions will form again.  The hardships that workers
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>themselves, but neither does management. Both are out to screw each
>other for whatever they can get.

But I believe both unions and management agree that the consumer is
their common prey.
 
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