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Alan B. Mac Farlane - 17 Mar 2009 23:55 GMT Dunno if you guys have seen the front page of the Corporate Infotainment Paper with all their Corporate Bullshit they spew out.
Well, the Government is saying that low gas prices are guaranteed for the next two years ... WHY ???
Well the economy is so bad ... they say.
Good economy --- high gas prices they say.
So they are predicting that our Depression is going on for the next two years.
yeah ... that is the story they are making up.
The Back Story ... is that Bush did an Enron with Bear Sterns good name, and a year ago .. when gas was $5 a gallon and oil was $140 a barrel on futures ...
yes ... read that again ... on FUTURES.
Our future you are living now.
Our future for the next two years.
All that oil is already purchased, contracts made, and the BAILOUT ... is you paying for it at $140 a barrel ... and you have paid for it with the Bailout.
That is what AIG insured ... also the mess with derivatives and subprime houses which is a very small part of the trillions paid out already.
Geitner says he needs 2 - 3 Trillion more in the future.
To pay for what Chenny and Bush did to fox you out the door.
Obama as a Senator ... voted for it as well.
Sooooo ...
You want to see who is foxing you Mr and Mrs America ..
it is on Tee Vee ... 24 hour rotation.
Mad Money ... Mad Money ... Mad Money.
Drink your koolaid.
sumbuddie wear blind sea
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Mike Hunter - 18 Mar 2009 15:52 GMT What color is the sky in your world? LOL
> Dunno if you guys have seen the front page of the Corporate Infotainment > Paper with all their Corporate Bullshit they spew out. [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > :? Alan B. Mac Farlane - 18 Mar 2009 21:40 GMT > What color is the sky in your world? LOL The learning curve is flat at first, but it picks up after awhile.
LOL
May our Jealous God the Father of talking FIRE who makes babies with His daughters and manifest as smoke, serpent staff, insects, pestilence, bog creatures, darklight, poisoned waters, and mass casuality child killing poisoned gas keep you safe and unmolested.
LOL
Mike Hunter - 18 Mar 2009 22:59 GMT Gas prices will likely drop to near $1 or less within six months. Currently, in the real world, refineries are buying crude futures, that were bid up to $140 futures, for around $100 and $125 futures for around $90.
If you search the American Petroleum Institute site you will discover the current crude future price is around $34. By the time they a are buying $90 futures for $60 gas will drop near $1. The reason being the refineries will soon run out of gasoline storage tanks, even after the home heating oil tanks become available for gasoline, after March.
Gasoline is one of the first by products of the refining process. If the oil companies can not sell enough, and as a result they run out of storage space, they will be forced to burn it off to get ride of it.
Before gasoline was used as a motor fuel, the refineries routinely burned it off.
>> What color is the sky in your world? LOL > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > LOL Jeff - 19 Mar 2009 00:32 GMT > Gas prices will likely drop to near $1 or less within six months. > Currently, in the real world, refineries are buying crude futures, that were [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > will soon run out of gasoline storage tanks, even after the home heating oil > tanks become available for gasoline, after March. The problem with that guess is that the amount of gasoline in gasoline reserves has not changed more than about 20% in the last 19 years.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.ford/browse_thread/thread/037c64a224911 47d/c1a7168a19ea20e6#c1a7168a19ea20e6
And the amount of reserves is less than at this time last year.
> Gasoline is one of the first by products of the refining process. If the > oil companies can not sell enough, and as a result they run out of storage > space, they will be forced to burn it off to get ride of it. Except that oil companies often import gasoline because the amount of it that can be made is limited. So they were importing it from Europe. If they have too much gasoline, they just stop importing it.
> Before gasoline was used as a motor fuel, the refineries routinely burned it > off. That was before your dad was a smile on your grandfather's face.
A lot has changed since then.
Jeff
> > in article 49c10a88$0$9620$ce5e7...@news-radius.ptd.net, Mike Hunter at > > mikehunt2@lycos/com wrote on 3/18/09 7:52 AM: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > LOL Jeff - 19 Mar 2009 00:42 GMT > > Gas prices will likely drop to near $1 or less within six months. > > Currently, in the real world, refineries are buying crude futures, that were [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.ford/browse_thread/thread/03... The correct URL is: http://tonto.eia.doe.gov/dnav/pet/hist/wgtstus1w.htm
> And the amount of reserves is less than at this time last year. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > > > LOL Mike Hunter - 19 Mar 2009 15:04 GMT Duh! You are free to believe whatever you chose but the fact remains, when you refine crude you get gasoline. If you can not store it you burn it off. The most valuable products from crude are the various petrol stocks, not gasoline
If you ever fly over the Gulf of Mexico, look down and you will see the hundreds of fires from burning off the NG at the wells, that can not be used because there are insufficient transmission lines and storage facilities in the US
On Mar 18, 5:59 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
> Gas prices will likely drop to near $1 or less within six months. > Currently, in the real world, refineries are buying crude futures, that [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > oil > tanks become available for gasoline, after March. The problem with that guess is that the amount of gasoline in gasoline reserves has not changed more than about 20% in the last 19 years.
And the amount of reserves is less than at this time last year.
> Gasoline is one of the first by products of the refining process. If the > oil companies can not sell enough, and as a result they run out of storage > space, they will be forced to burn it off to get ride of it. Except that oil companies often import gasoline because the amount of it that can be made is limited. So they were importing it from Europe. If they have too much gasoline, they just stop importing it.
> Before gasoline was used as a motor fuel, the refineries routinely burned > it > off. That was before your dad was a smile on your grandfather's face.
A lot has changed since then.
Jeff
Alan B. Mac Farlane - 19 Mar 2009 17:07 GMT > If you ever fly over the Gulf of Mexico, look down and you will see the > hundreds of fires from burning off the NG at the wells, that can not be used the LNG or NG is used all the time ... they are burning it off to keep prices up ... as it destroys supply. They can pipe the LNG off in to LNG cars and trucks and generators and trains and what ever they want to use it in like your gas stove or gas room heater or gas fireplace or gas water heater.
Drink more Koolaid Mike ... it will kick in and then you will see Jesus saving you from the Jealous God the Father of talking fire that makes babies with His daughters.
sumbuddie wear blind sea
:? Mike Hunter - 19 Mar 2009 17:46 GMT Don't talk stupid, why would anybody destroy and assets that can be sold, dummy?
The reason they are burning off NG is because there are not enough disruption lines to send it where it could be sold and current lines are filled to capacity.
The environuts make it nearly impossible to install new lines ore build more LNG plants around the county
>> If you ever fly over the Gulf of Mexico, look down and you will see the >> hundreds of fires from burning off the NG at the wells, that can not be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > :? Alan B. Mac Farlane - 19 Mar 2009 20:04 GMT Drink more Koolaid dood ...
May our Jealous God the Father of talking FIRE who makes babies with His daughters and manifest as smoke, serpent staff, insects, pestilence, bog creatures, darklight, poisoned waters, and mass casuality child killing poisoned gas keep you safe and unmolested.
> Don't talk stupid, why would anybody destroy and assets that can be sold, > dummy? [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> >> :? Jeff - 22 Mar 2009 17:57 GMT > Don't talk stupid, why would anybody destroy and assets that can be sold, > dummy? > > The reason they are burning off NG is because there are not enough > disruption lines to send it where it could be sold and current lines are > filled to capacity. What is a disruption line? Is that like a middle-school cafeteria line just before the kids start throwing food?
Jeff
> The environuts make it nearly impossible to install new lines ore build more > LNG plants around the county [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > > :? Mike Hunter - 22 Mar 2009 18:58 GMT I don't know, you tell us you are the one acts like he is still in middle school. LOL
On Mar 19, 12:46 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
> Don't talk stupid, why would anybody destroy and assets that can be sold, > dummy? What is a disruption line? Is that like a middle-school cafeteria line just before the kids start throwing food?
Jeff
> The environuts make it nearly impossible to install new lines ore build > more > LNG plants around the county Jeff - 22 Mar 2009 17:56 GMT > Duh! You are free to believe whatever you chose but the fact remains, when > you refine crude you get gasoline. If you can not store it you burn it off. Please show us where gasoline is being burned off today (not 100 years ago) because it cannot be stored.
> The most valuable products from crude are the various petrol stocks, not > gasoline Actually, the most valuable products from crude are chemicals, like those used to make plastics and motor oils.
> If you ever fly over the Gulf of Mexico, look down and you will see the > hundreds of fires from burning off the NG at the wells, that can not be used > because there are insufficient transmission lines and storage facilities in > the US Gee, last time I checked, NG is different from crude oil and gasoline. In addition, the amount of NG that is produced from the wells is not worth capturing and transporting.
Thanks for the useless, straw-man arguments.
Jeff
> On Mar 18, 5:59 pm, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Jeff Mike Hunter - 22 Mar 2009 18:55 GMT Duh! What part of "if they can not store it, or sell it, they will need to burn it off," and "The most valuable products from crude are the various petrol stocks, not gasoline," did you not understand? LOL
On Mar 19, 10:04 am, "Mike Hunter" <mikehunt2@lycos/com> wrote:
> Duh! You are free to believe whatever you chose but the fact remains, when > you refine crude you get gasoline. If you can not store it you burn it > off. Please show us where gasoline is being burned off today (not 100 years ago) because it cannot be stored.
> The most valuable products from crude are the various petrol stocks, not > gasoline Actually, the most valuable products from crude are chemicals, like those used to make plastics and motor oils.
> If you ever fly over the Gulf of Mexico, look down and you will see the > hundreds of fires from burning off the NG at the wells, that can not be > used > because there are insufficient transmission lines and storage facilities > in > the US Gee, last time I checked, NG is different from crude oil and gasoline. In addition, the amount of NG that is produced from the wells is not worth capturing and transporting.
Thanks for the useless, straw-man arguments.
Jeff
> "Jeff" <jeff....@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > Jeff Jeff - 19 Mar 2009 00:41 GMT > Gas prices will likely drop to near $1 or less within six months. > Currently, in the real world, refineries are buying crude futures, that were [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > will soon run out of gasoline storage tanks, even after the home heating oil > tanks become available for gasoline, after March. The problem with that guess is that the amount of gasoline in gasoline reserves has not changed more than about 20% in the last 19 years.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.autos.ford/browse_thread/thread/037c64a224911 47d/c1a7168a19ea20e6#c1a7168a19ea20e6
And the amount of reserves is less than at this time last year.
> Gasoline is one of the first by products of the refining process. If the > oil companies can not sell enough, and as a result they run out of storage > space, they will be forced to burn it off to get ride of it. Except that oil companies often import gasoline because the amount of it that can be made is limited. So they were importing it from Europe. If they have too much gasoline, they just stop importing it.
> Before gasoline was used as a motor fuel, the refineries routinely burned it > off. That was before your dad was a smile on your grandfather's face.
A lot has changed since then.
Jeff
> > in article 49c10a88$0$9620$ce5e7...@news-radius.ptd.net, Mike Hunter at > > mikehunt2@lycos/com wrote on 3/18/09 7:52 AM: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > > LOL Alan B. Mac Farlane - 19 Mar 2009 03:17 GMT > The problem with that guess is that the amount of gasoline in gasoline > reserves has not changed more than about 20% in the last 19 years. this year is different .. the US market is FLOODED with oil .. they are parked on the ocean at $80,000 a day storage fee as the land based tanks are full, the gas stations are full, your gas tank is full.
Bush the Worst did it to fox you out the door with the help of the Dems foxing you on the other side.
Gingrich/Clinton did it 12 years ago.
Bush the Worst did it with Enron California in the door, and Enron USA out the door.
American's are stupid foxs ... very foolish.
Obama says AIG is a suicide bomber with trigger on finger ... and Obama had to give AIG Mad money to not pull the trigger ... as AIG is to big to fail.
hahahahhahahahaaa ... stoopid fox americans.
More war years, More war years, More war years.
sumbuddie wear blind sea
:? Jeff - 19 Mar 2009 03:28 GMT > in article 4f690386-68b5-433e-a39b-452659892...@q9g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, > Jeff at jeff....@gmail.com wrote on 3/18/09 4:41 PM: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > parked on the ocean at $80,000 a day storage fee as the land based tanks are > full, the gas stations are full, your gas tank is full. They are parked, waiting for the price of oil to go up. THey aren't parked because all the tanks are full.
> Bush the Worst did it to fox you out the door with the help of the Dems > foxing you on the other side. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > American's are stupid foxs ... very foolish. When you call people "stupid foxs," you might want to learn that the plural of fox is foxes.
> Obama says AIG is a suicide bomber with trigger on finger ... and Obama had > to give AIG Mad money to not pull the trigger ... as AIG is to big to fail. Who gave the money? Last I heard, the last installment was in Nov. 2008, when Bush was President.
> hahahahhahahahaaa ... stoopid fox americans. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > :? If the gas tanks are full, how come the reserves are lower than they were least year?
Alan B. Mac Farlane - 19 Mar 2009 06:19 GMT in article 8cb123c5-77a2-40cf-99fe-ee0040c6bdd0@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, Jeff at jeff.utz@gmail.com wrote on 3/18/09 7:28 PM:
> They are parked, waiting for the price of oil to go up. THey aren't > parked because all the tanks are full. the koolaid has not kicked in Jeff ... drink more koolaid.
great family fun and the kids love it.
:? Jeff - 22 Mar 2009 17:48 GMT > in article > 8cb123c5-77a2-40cf-99fe-ee0040c6b...@s20g2000yqh.googlegroups.com, Jeff at [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > :? Instead of making personal attacks, try supporting your opinion with facts and evidence.
Jeff
Mike Hunter - 22 Mar 2009 18:51 GMT Perhaps he will, after you site your source for your opinion "They are parked, waiting for the price of oil to go up."
What is actually happened is those that bought futures at well over $130 a barrel are still scrambling trying to get $90 a barrel for their over $130 before those that bought futures below $90 get their lower priced crude out of the ground.
I always Wonder why our friend Jeff continues to post his opinions on so many subject, of which he obviously has little or no knowledge. I only makes him look foolish ever time he does so. I guess he dos not have much of a life and wants to be part of something
> > They are parked, waiting for the price of oil to go up. THey aren't > > parked because all the tanks are full. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > :? Instead of making personal attacks, try supporting your opinion with facts and evidence.
Jeff
Alan B. Mac Farlane - 23 Mar 2009 00:10 GMT in article 0cb667bd-b8e8-4ca9-ad94-75657dcbb143@o11g2000yql.googlegroups.com, Jeff at jeff.utz@gmail.com wrote on 3/22/09 9:48 AM:
>> They are parked, waiting for the price of oil to go up. THey aren't >>> parked because all the tanks are full. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jeff the proof of the toddler tantrum in adults is before you and at hand.
just have to grasp it sorry to say.
the learning curve picks up after awhile.
no personal attack at all, however I can understand if feels that way to someone stuck in their toddler tantrum as a necessary result of child abuse.
the toddler tantrum is for combat and doesn't like to be found out; it takes a bit of time to shake it out.
the more love you pour into it ... the faster the blind rage, blind fear, blind stoopidity goes away ... it is why the defense structure makes dumb perpatrators and molestors and afflicts everyone with this condition.
the defense structure is all about raising healthy children and the worst you are for kids the dumber the defense structure makes you.
On the other hand, the better you are for kids, the more the defense structure will release talents, gifts, smarts, vision, good judgement, as the love sees .. has an open mind from the open heart ... so the defense sturcture makes you better at raising children.
that is a good first start if you want wrap your mind around it.
keep putting love inside where the hurt and pain is ...
it works if you work it.
all my best, always.
sumbuddie wear blind sea
:? Mike Hunter - 19 Mar 2009 15:08 GMT The per gallon price is around half of what it was last year? ;)
On Mar 18, 10:17 pm, "Alan B. Mac Farlane" <al...@sonic.net> wrote:
> in article > 4f690386-68b5-433e-a39b-452659892...@q9g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > are > full, the gas stations are full, your gas tank is full. They are parked, waiting for the price of oil to go up. THey aren't parked because all the tanks are full.
> Bush the Worst did it to fox you out the door with the help of the Dems > foxing you on the other side. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > American's are stupid foxs ... very foolish. When you call people "stupid foxs," you might want to learn that the plural of fox is foxes.
> Obama says AIG is a suicide bomber with trigger on finger ... and Obama > had > to give AIG Mad money to not pull the trigger ... as AIG is to big to > fail. Who gave the money? Last I heard, the last installment was in Nov. 2008, when Bush was President.
> hahahahhahahahaaa ... stoopid fox americans. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > :? If the gas tanks are full, how come the reserves are lower than they were least year?
Alan B. Mac Farlane - 19 Mar 2009 17:12 GMT > The per gallon price is around half of what it was last year? ;) A one acre pond of salt water biodiesel is $1 a gallon on delivery to you.
A one acre pond of salt water biodiesel makes 330,000 miles of energy.
No drilling, no pollution, AND it can replenish oil fields by injecting the biodiesel into the ground to ferment into petrol ... reducing carbon load on the atmosphere turning back global warming by sequesting CO2 underground where it was before.
It is win win win ... for you and me and all of US.
Bush the Worst don't like it one bit ... as there is no money in it for him and his Sunnicidal Foreign Policy Obama style.
Once you pray to a God that don't fox around ... you stop foxing around and foxing things up.
It is the toddler tantrum that does that as a necessary result of child abuse.
Sorry your mommy and daddy treated you so poorly.
This can be fixed up in 90 days if you have the wit for it.
sumbuddie wear blind sea
:? Mike Hunter - 19 Mar 2009 17:47 GMT You are a nut case, bye
>> The per gallon price is around half of what it was last year? ;) > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > :? Alan B. Mac Farlane - 19 Mar 2009 20:05 GMT > You are a nut case, bye oh thank you, thank you, thank you
May our Jealous God the Father of talking FIRE who makes babies with His daughters and manifest as smoke, serpent staff, insects, pestilence, bog creatures, darklight, poisoned waters, and mass casuality child killing poisoned gas keep you safe and unmolested.
Jim Higgins - 19 Mar 2009 20:34 GMT >> You are a nut case, bye > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > creatures, darklight, poisoned waters, and mass casuality child killing > poisoned gas keep you safe and unmolested. You are one sick and demented puppy.
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Alan B. Mac Farlane - 19 Mar 2009 21:54 GMT >>> You are a nut case, bye >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You are one sick and demented puppy. and may the incest inbreed in the sky not hate you as well ... Jesus hates your Constitution lovers and law/order lovers.
Jesus gonna take all your money like you were a Dutch Jew and then kill you like a Dutch Jew and then scatter you to the winds like a Dutch Jew.
Better get under the protections of the jealous God of Fire so Jesus don't kill you.
Only the chosen ones who hate everything Jesus hates will come back and be resurrected by the jealous God of love ... ahmen
:? Mike Hunter - 19 Mar 2009 15:06 GMT I hope you had on your aluminum foil hat when you posted that LOL
> in article > 4f690386-68b5-433e-a39b-452659892ecc@q9g2000yqc.googlegroups.com, [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > :?
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