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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Cars / April 200993 Taurus intermittent battery warning light
3.8 V6 sedan with about 160,000 miles. The battery light on the dashboard is coming on at seemingly random times, but with increasing frequency and duration. Symptoms: It (battery warning light) sometimes comes on in the day, with no headlights on. The RPM of the engine does not appear to make any difference. Motor runs well at all times. At night, headlights remain bright at idle. Starter turns engine over at normal speed and engine starts and runs well. Serpentine belt appears adequate and there is no squealing. I am thinking that the generator and or the voltage regulator is the most likely cause. Of those two, I'd guess (and hope, since it is probably cheaper) it is the voltage regulator that attaches to the back of the generator. Before I start replacing parts, any input from Taurus owners or mechanics regarding most likely cause would be much appreciated.  SignatureTony Sivori Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters. > 3.8 V6 sedan with about 160,000 miles. The battery light on the dashboard > is coming on at seemingly random times, but with increasing frequency and [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Tony Sivori > Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters. It sounds like a loose wire or connection. It could also be the alternator getting ready to die. Jeff I had the same issue on my Taurus wagon. I found that the small plug at the top of the alternator was worn/loose. With some eyes on the dash, wiggle the plug. If you get blinking, you've got the same problem I had. Because I'm a cheap bastard, I found that a small wedge of some sort( I used a twig ), inserted beside the plug, will re-estabish a connection. I ran mine that way for years. SignatureJ Wald "Can't do it Sally" Tom Hagan - Godfather I > 3.8 V6 sedan with about 160,000 miles. The battery light on the > dashboard [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > mechanics > regarding most likely cause would be much appreciated. > I had the same issue on my Taurus wagon. I found that the small plug at > the top of the alternator was worn/loose. With some eyes on the dash, > wiggle the plug. If you get blinking, you've got the same problem I had. > Because I'm a cheap bastard, I found that a small wedge of some sort( I > used a twig ), inserted beside the plug, will re-estabish a connection. I > ran mine that way for years. Thank you, I will check that out. SignatureTony Sivori Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters. > 3.8 V6 sedan with about 160,000 miles. The battery light on the dashboard > is coming on at seemingly random times, but with increasing frequency and > duration. > > Symptoms: > ... You didn't say how old your battery was. If more than 6 years, consider a replacement. (This is in addition to all the loose wire theories, etc.) >> 3.8 V6 sedan with about 160,000 miles. The battery light on the >> dashboard is coming on at seemingly random times, but with increasing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > a replacement. > (This is in addition to all the loose wire theories, etc.) I've had the car about three years. It had starter trouble when I first got it, and I think the previous owner had put in a new battery to try to fix the defective solenoid. I took it to Autozone today. The light was not on when they tested it, but for what it's worth, they said the battery, alternator and voltage regulator all test good. SignatureTony Sivori Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters. >>> 3.8 V6 sedan with about 160,000 miles. The battery light on the >>> dashboard is coming on at seemingly random times, but with increasing [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >for what it's worth, they said the battery, alternator and voltage >regulator all test good. With worn brushes, when the light is off it WILL test good.. >>> 3.8 V6 sedan with about 160,000 miles. The battery light on the >>> dashboard is coming on at seemingly random times, but with increasing [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >for what it's worth, they said the battery, alternator and voltage >regulator all test good. I suspect they tested in a conventional manner. Since you have already replaced the alternator, it may take a bit more comprehensive testing. I have had a couple of Ford alternators with a bad winding that only failed when warm enough. The last one was removed and tested 3 times on the bench and in the car twice before the rebuilder was able to see it in a failed condition. By the time he shut off the engine and hooked up his equipment, it was back to normal. The alternator was removed and placed into an oven to get it hot. It was immediately bench tested and found dead. When disassembled, the rotor was found to have an open winding when hot. Another rotor kept it going with no further problems for at least the next 5 years before I sold the car. I suspect your alternator would produce a far different scope trace pattern as it warms up. Autozone cannot do that. The only remaining choice with them is to replace the alternator with another which may be at your expense. Lugnut >>I took it to Autozone today. The light was not on when they tested it, >>but for what it's worth, they said the battery, alternator and voltage >>regulator all test good. > > I suspect they tested in a conventional manner. Since you have already > replaced the alternator, it may take a bit more comprehensive testing. I'm not sure how I managed to give you the mistaken impression that I replaced the alternator, I do tend to ramble on a bit. I haven't replaced the alternator. > I have had a couple of Ford alternators with a bad winding that only > failed when warm enough. The last one was removed and tested 3 times on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > found dead. When disassembled, the rotor was found to have an open > winding when hot. I've heard of similar temperature sensitive failures from ignition coils. > Another rotor kept it going with no further problems for at least the > next 5 years before I sold the car. I suspect your alternator would > produce a far different scope trace pattern as it warms up. That's the problem with intermittent failures. It will be a lot easier to know what's broke once it breaks and stays broken. But I hope to avoid that. Thanks for your help and observations. SignatureTony Sivori Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters. >>>I took it to Autozone today. The light was not on when they tested it, >>>but for what it's worth, they said the battery, alternator and voltage [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >know what's broke once it breaks and stays broken. But I hope to avoid >that. Thanks for your help and observations. Sorry. I've been "over the hill" for several decades now. My reading comprehension is not that good sometimes. Intermittent is the longest fout letter word in the dictionary when it comes to problem solving. Fixing a dead system is definitely easier then catching it on the fly. Lugnut >3.8 V6 sedan with about 160,000 miles. The battery light on the dashboard >is coming on at seemingly random times, but with increasing frequency and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Before I start replacing parts, any input from Taurus owners or mechanics >regarding most likely cause would be much appreciated. At 160K, you are around the life end point for Ford alternators in my experience. It is usually a matter of brush wear when the alternator charges decently with the exception of an occasional light. The regulator and brushes are replaceable if you are handy. Otherwise, the fix is a new or rebuilt alternator. That said, you should check the battery ground cable on the driver side of the radiator. They have a nasty habit of corroding where they split between the radiator and battery in the hardest place to put big hands. If that is the case, it will eventually get to the point that the starter turns the engine but, it will not start sounding like a failed timing chain. A new ground cable is the answer there. Lugnut > At 160K, you are around the life end point for Ford alternators in my > experience. It is usually a matter of brush wear when the alternator [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > starter turns the engine but, it will not start sounding like a failed > timing chain. A new ground cable is the answer there. I replaced the radiator on it last October. So that ground wire was well visible. I don't recall seeing anything ugly. On the other hand, maybe I screwed it up putting in the new radiator. I'll have a look at it, if it ever stops raining here in Lousy, er, Louisville. SignatureTony Sivori Due to spam, I'm filtering all Google Groups posters. >> At 160K, you are around the life end point for Ford alternators in my >> experience. It is usually a matter of brush wear when the alternator [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > screwed it up putting in the new radiator. I'll have a look at it, if it > ever stops raining here in Lousy, er, Louisville. You can get these cheap little three LED battery testers that plug into the cigarette lighter. Makes it easy to keep an eye on if its charging or not. Make sure the grounds to the firewall and such are tight and not corroded. Also, it might pay to take the serp belt off and check that the pulleys are not full of junk and clean. As well as check the tensioner. I think it takes a t45 or such to take it off. bob >3.8 V6 sedan with about 160,000 miles. The battery light on the dashboard >is coming on at seemingly random times, but with increasing frequency and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >Before I start replacing parts, any input from Taurus owners or mechanics >regarding most likely cause would be much appreciated. My suspiscion would be worn brushes. Same problem on the wife's 93...connector latch broken...a dollop of RTV solved the problem! Steve > 3.8 V6 sedan with about 160,000 miles. The battery light on the dashboard > is coming on at seemingly random times, but with increasing frequency and [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Before I start replacing parts, any input from Taurus owners or mechanics > regarding most likely cause would be much appreciated. |
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