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Lynn - 04 Nov 2004 20:42 GMT
I just had the service engine soon light come on with a tank of bad
gas in my 99 expedition with the 4.6 V8.  I put in 6 gallons of
premium gas from another station which helped with the bad running
and dieing during cold starts.

Will the light reset after a while or am I going to have to visit the
dealer ?

Thanks,
Lynn
Backyard Mechanic - 05 Nov 2004 01:58 GMT
NOW you know that sh!t about all gas being the same isnt true.

Buy only high volume brand from high volume stations.

> I just had the service engine soon light come on with a tank of bad
> gas in my 99 expedition with the 4.6 V8.  I put in 6 gallons of
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> Thanks,
> Lynn
Backyard Mechanic - 05 Nov 2004 03:59 GMT
Duh!  sorry... drive it a few days... but you probably
should have the codes read out.   there may be something wrong that isnt
going to fix itself

> NOW you know that sh!t about all gas being the same isnt true.
>
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>> Thanks,
>> Lynn
Jeff - 06 Nov 2004 19:32 GMT
> NOW you know that sh!t about all gas being the same isnt true.
>
> Buy only high volume brand from high volume stations.

What is a high-volume brand? Is that one that is real loud?

I disagree. All gas is the same. And using high-octane gas is a waste of
money if your car or truck doesn't need it. In Northern NJ, supposedly all
gas comes from the same refinery, regardless of brand.

Jeff
Backyard Mechanic - 06 Nov 2004 20:02 GMT
>> NOW you know that sh!t about all gas being the same isnt true.
>>
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>
> Jeff

... read her post on where she bought it.

And all Gas is NOT the same.... dont care if it came from the same refinery,
or not.
Jeff - 06 Nov 2004 21:42 GMT
> >> NOW you know that sh!t about all gas being the same isnt true.
> >>
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> And all Gas is NOT the same.... dont care if it came from the same refinery,
> or not.

You're correct in that the additives might be different. But the base
gasoline is  the same accross brands, and all gasolines have  to meet the
same quality standards.

However, I doubt very much that the problems that this lady (the OT)
experienced were because of the brand of gasoline. You're advice about using
a high volume dealer is good, because water won't be able to accumulate in
the storage tanks if it is replaced.

The bottom line is that if you have problems that you can tie to a
particular gas station, don't go back.

DOH!

Jeff
Backyard Mechanic - 07 Nov 2004 00:22 GMT
Jeff opined

>> And all Gas is NOT the same.... dont care if it came from the same
> refinery,
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> The bottom line is that if you have problems that you can tie to a
> particular gas station, don't go back.

okay... you seem to want to draw this out...  no her problem is related to
BAD gas, (probably illegally cut to save/make money)

But your idea that all brands perform the same is even contradicted by such
authorities as the state of michigan..

For instance, a lot of people will tell you that Standard, Sohio, BP (until
recently) didnt perform well in certain Fords.. like my former E-150 Windsor.

But in my area, I always buy at Speedway or Marathon... and high volume
stations to avoid water or bad filtration. I've never had injector problems
or clogged filters.. even after 50,000 miles.. and never melted a cat.
convertor... as opposed to the ONE tank I bought at a ramshackle corner
carry-out with a Citgo sign
Isaiah Beard - 08 Nov 2004 16:38 GMT
>>NOW you know that sh!t about all gas being the same isnt true.
>>
>>Buy only high volume brand from high volume stations.
>
> What is a high-volume brand? Is that one that is real loud?

vol·ume (vlym, -ym):

   1. Amount; quantity: a low volume of business; a considerable volume
of lumber.
   2. A large amount. Often used in the plural: volumes of praise.

A high volume brand at a high volume station means that the it's a brand
of gas that's in heavy demand and at a station that gets heavy business.
 Why is this important?  Because the supply of fuel to that station is
being frequently replenished if it has a higher amount of traffic.  If
however you go a to a no-name, run-down jalopy of a gas station that
hardly gets any traffic, the gas has had time to sit and mingle with
whatever crud is at the bottom of that station's rusty old tanks.

> I disagree. All gas is the same. And using high-octane gas is a waste of
> money if your car or truck doesn't need it. In Northern NJ,
supposedly all
> gas comes from the same refinery, regardless of brand.

Yes, you can argue that gas is gas, and that gas sold in the US must
meet minimum standards.  However once it leaves the refinery and ends up
in the underground tanks of a gas station, the quality can start to
differ widely.  If you take the time to look, you'll find that quite a
few budget stations get cited repeatedly by state environmental agencies
for failing to maintain and periodically replace the storage reservoirs
underneath the station (and they take the fines because sometimes it's
cheaper than having the tanks replaced).  Some of these neglected tanks
leak into the nearby soil (and ultimately, into the water table),
sometimes soil gets INTO the gas you're about to put into your tank, and
still others contaminate the fuel with sediment or rust.

While you can't just go and dig a hole to see how a service station's
tanks are doing, you can deduce fairly well that a station getting lots
of volume is making enough money to do required maintenance.  Even if
this isn't the case, at the very least the fuel doesn't get as much time
sitting in storage to get too heavily contaminated.  And generally a
high traffic station has repeat business, meaning quite a few people
have fueled up there and not had any problems.

Cheaper isn't always better.  And I have found that there are some brand
name gas stations that get plenty of business (there's an ExxonMobil
near my house in Central NJ) that ends up matching the Raceway discount
station just south of it in price fairly often anyway... though for the
time being I still gas up at the Raceway once in a while because I know
for a fact they just built that station and the facility is shiny and
new. :)

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C. E. White - 05 Nov 2004 14:04 GMT
If you don't have a continuing problem the light will
eventually reset. That must have been some really bad gas.
Are you sure there isn't another problem? In many areas,
AutoZones will read the trouble codes for free. It might be
worth your trouble to see what code turned on the light. If
the light strats to flash, you need to seek immeadiate
attention.

Ed

> I just had the service engine soon light come on with a tank of bad
> gas in my 99 expedition with the 4.6 V8.  I put in 6 gallons of
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Thanks,
> Lynn
Lynn - 05 Nov 2004 16:43 GMT
> If you don't have a continuing problem the light will
> eventually reset. That must have been some really bad gas.
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> the light strats to flash, you need to seek immeadiate
> attention.

The light is OFF as of this morning.

I will never go to this station again, this is the 3rd time that I have
had trouble after filling up there.

Thanks,
Lynn
 
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