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97 Taurus Heater Core Flush/Replace?
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Chris Bowne - 14 Nov 2004 12:14 GMT I have had very low or no heater/defroster hot air output on my 97 Taurus GL wagon (3.0 liter Vulcan with AC) since I used some Prestone Stop Leak to (successfully) control a slow loss of coolant level. I suspect the coolant loss was a due to very small head gasket leak, as there was no evidence of external leakage at the ususal suspect locations, and no smell of leaking coolant anywhere inside or outside of the car.
Back to the heater, since the Stop Leak was introduced, heat output has been very low or non existent, though very infrequently, I do get some hot air out. The engine and the rest of the cooling system is coming to normal temperature, however, the return line on the heater is cool, indiciating to me that the core is likely clogged, probably from the Stop Leak. The heater bypass hose is hot, so it looks like everything else is OK.
I am going to try to backflush the heater core through its supply and return hoses. Is this likely to clear the clogging? Assuming that it does not, how difficult is it to actually change out the core? I've done this on a few other cars, and it usually requires a massive dashboard disassembly. Never done this on a car with dual air bags.
Am I overlooking something obvious, such as a stuck thermostat? I'm thinking that's OK, based on otherwise normal coolant temperature gauge readings, and the fact that flow in the bypass line, which appears to be directly in parallel with the heater core, is hot.
J Grant - 14 Nov 2004 15:45 GMT Look below for a thread "99 Taurus heater problems". I flushed mine, and it has helped. I disconnected the heater core hoses, and flushed it seperately with scalding hot water from a garden hose connected to the water heater in my barn, and it helped a lot. From what my Haynes manual has on changing the heater core in a Taurus, its not a fun nor easy job. If you have the orange Dex-Cool antifreeze, get rid of it. It had turned to sludge in my Taurus, causing the heater core blockage.
Chris Bowne - 14 Nov 2004 23:28 GMT Flushed with success!
Thanks for the info J! I backflushed the heater, first with about 20 psi air from my compressor, and then with flow from a garden hose for about 10 minutes. Hooking things back up, I was immediately rewarded with copious waves of HOT air from the system, like I've never had since new. I'll bet that I was losing heater flow long before the Stop Leak shut things down even further!
Details for other 96-97 vintage Taurus owners:
Make sure you BACK-flush (i.e have the flushing flow go in reverse of normal to break crud loose, rather than drive it in further with a forward flush) as described below. Your system has been trying to forward flush without success for as long as you have had your problem!
I disconnected the heater by removing the short hose going from the hard pipe on the right side of the firewall (normal return to y-pipe) at water pump suction, and by disconnecting the short hose from the other "y-pipe" at the left side of the firewall at the supply end. (The y pipes provide the connection points for the heater bypass hose. I think the y-pipes and the bypass hose were part of a recall mod made shortly after I bought the car.)
Hooked up a short garden hose section with the female end connector to the heater return side hard pipe on the right fireall. Positioned the short section of hose still connected to the heater supply end hard pipe on the left side of the firewall so it's discharge when back-flushing wouldnt get into the transmssion fluid dipstick pipe.
Made up an adapter with a short section of garden hose with the male connector to connect up my air line to the garden hose section on the heater return pipe. Set the compressor regulator to about 20 psi to prevent overpressurizing the heater core in case it was REALLY clogged up.
Blowing down with air blew out a big slug of nasty looking stuff and rusty coolant. After a few minutes of air purge, switched over to a water purge for about five minutes, using a local ball valve to throttle the water supply to keep the pressure down. Water discharging was clear throughout the flush.
Removed the backflush adapter, restored the hose connections with new stainless hose clamps, and topped off the expansion tank (since I was working on high points of the system, I didn't fully drain the whole system beforehand, and only lost a small amount of coolant when initially breaking the connections).
As soon as the system warmed up after starting the engine, WOW! Heat blasting from the vents! SUCCESS! Unbelieveable what a small amount of crud it takes to foul a heater core.
Wonder what the local Ford Dealer would have raped me for to correct this? Probably would have tried to sell me a new core and the associated major labor to tear the dash apart. Here's hoping that the core doesn't develop leaks....
> Look below for a thread "99 Taurus heater problems". I flushed mine, and > it has helped. I disconnected the heater core hoses, and flushed it [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > If you have the orange Dex-Cool antifreeze, get rid of it. It had turned > to sludge in my Taurus, causing the heater core blockage. J Grant - 15 Nov 2004 00:11 GMT I'm beginning to think that this is a common problem with Tarurses. A lady I work with has a 99 Sable with the same problem. Does your 97 have the orange antifreeze? If so, its only a matter of time before its clogged again. Flush the entire system really well, then switch her to green!
Chris Bowne - 15 Nov 2004 06:52 GMT It originally had the Ford orange stuff. I think the dealer changed it to green when they did the "rust in coolant" recall that added the bypass line about a year after I bought the car. I had the coolant replaced about a year ago, just after I had added the Stop Leak. The oil change shop that claimed and charged big time for a "flush" of the system nothing more than a drain and refill. That change did not fix the low heat output problem. And they re-filled the expansion tank solid, which caused a big mess when the fill cap relief valve lifted on the way home as a result. Luckily, nothing worse happened. I have been living with the lack of heat through the warm weather, but driving through the season's first snow storm the other night with a windshield that was constantly fogging up due to the lack of heat finally got me motivated to fix it right!
> I'm beginning to think that this is a common problem with Tarurses. A > lady I work with has a 99 Sable with the same problem. Does your 97 have > the orange antifreeze? If so, its only a matter of time before its > clogged again. Flush the entire system really well, then switch her to > green! Backyard Mechanic - 16 Nov 2004 02:58 GMT Dont'cha just love happy endings!!!!!
> It originally had the Ford orange stuff. I think the dealer changed it > to green when they did the "rust in coolant" recall that added the [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> clogged again. Flush the entire system really well, then switch her to >> green! walshb - 22 Dec 2004 23:06 GMT Chris, I owe you a 6 pack for posting your procedure. I just followed it, minus the air compressor portion, and I have heat again in my 98 Taurus. What kinda beer do you drink?
Chris Bowne - 28 Dec 2004 08:25 GMT Thanks! Just found this follow up thread here on 12/28. Guiness and Bass Black and Tans!
> Chris, I owe you a 6 pack for posting your procedure. I just followed it, > minus the air compressor portion, and I have heat again in my 98 Taurus. > What kinda beer do you drink? Chris Bowne - 28 Dec 2004 08:33 GMT And yes - that would be two six packs, one for the Guiness and one for the Bass! (I actually posted back before I read the rest of the replies!)
Glad to hear things worked out for you. My heater will drive you out of the car now on max temp...and it also survived another dose of stop leak to the system to clear up a persistent slow leak I have somewhere (head gasket, I suspect). I think when I did the stop leak trick a year ago, the heater was well on its way to a full clog and the stop leak was the coup-de grace. This time, no problem.
> Thanks! Just found this follow up thread here on 12/28. Guiness and Bass > Black and Tans! > > > Chris, I owe you a 6 pack for posting your procedure. I just followed it, > > minus the air compressor portion, and I have heat again in my 98 Taurus. > > What kinda beer do you drink? bk - 31 Dec 2004 01:04 GMT > And yes - that would be two six packs, one for the Guiness and one for the > Bass! (I actually posted back before I read the rest of the replies!) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > "walshb" <bjw59@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8848e949ae5edc09922c5dcad7bc2dd9@localhost.talkaboutautos.com...
> > > Chris, I owe you a 6 pack for posting your procedure. I just followed > it, > > > minus the air compressor portion, and I have heat again in my 98 Taurus. > > > What kinda beer do you drink? bk - 31 Dec 2004 01:07 GMT > And yes - that would be two six packs, one for the Guiness and one for the > Bass! (I actually posted back before I read the rest of the replies!) [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > > > "walshb" <bjw59@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:8848e949ae5edc09922c5dcad7bc2dd9@localhost.talkaboutautos.com...
> > > Chris, I owe you a 6 pack for posting your procedure. I just followed > it, > > > minus the air compressor portion, and I have heat again in my 98 Taurus. > > > What kinda beer do you drink? Chris, I just got an estimate of $1500 to replace the heater core and radiator on my 97 Sable becasue of a heater problem that sounds a lot like yours. I am not mechanically inclined, any chance you live in MA and are interested in some side work? I am not going to put $1500 into the Sable but would love to give your fix a try.
walshb - 22 Dec 2004 23:09 GMT walshb - 22 Dec 2004 23:08 GMT Chris, I owe you a 6 pack for posting your detailed procedure. I followed it, minus the air compressor portion, and I now have heat again in my 98 Taurus. What kind of beer do you drink?
johanb - 23 Dec 2004 01:47 GMT Is that 12 beers total ????????
> Chris, I owe you a 6 pack for posting your detailed procedure. I followed > it, minus the air compressor portion, and I now have heat again in my 98 > Taurus. What kind of beer do you drink? walshb - 24 Dec 2004 04:33 GMT All my posts show up......eventually.
It's 12 beers only if Chris requests them.
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