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3 dog nite@swatch.com - 21 Mar 2005 03:54 GMT
>It doesn't matter what pressure I align the vehicle at as long as the
>pressures are equal side to side.... What do you do? Bag your customer for
>an alignment every time he loads his vehicle different? If your customer
>loads his axle to max capacity, is he doomed to running his tire at a less
>than ideal pressure because of a "recommendation" on the door sticker?
>Steerike One!!!

lmfao
what happens to alignment when you change pressur??

also what do you do to the built in understeer condition

LMFAO

better take a course in alignment

BTW  
max load of vehicle does NOT mean add more air to tires

BWHAHAHAHAHAHA
Some ga - 21 Mar 2005 04:24 GMT
>>It doesn't matter what pressure I align the vehicle at as long as the
>>pressures are equal side to side.... What do you do? Bag your customer for
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>lmfao
>what happens to alignment when you change pressur??

Uniformly?  or side to side?
Radial or Bias Belted?
With many newer vehicles Caster isn't adjustable so I'd reckon that
would stay the same

>also what do you do to the built in understeer condition

What exactly do you mean by this?  If the vehicle is intended to be
driven by 'joe/jane public' you leave the settings stock.  If it's
going to be raced the goal more often tends towards neutral.

>LMFAO
>
>better take a course in alignment
>
>BTW  
>max load of vehicle does NOT mean add more air to tires

Perhaps you should learn something about tyre construction and
dynamics.  Failing that read a few owners manual.  (try the section
under towing/high speed conditions).

Duuuhhhh !
3 dog nite@swatch.com - 22 Mar 2005 01:11 GMT
>>>It doesn't matter what pressure I align the vehicle at as long as the
>>>pressures are equal side to side.... What do you do? Bag your customer for
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>With many newer vehicles Caster isn't adjustable so I'd reckon that
>would stay the same

lmfao
castor does not change with pressure on most vehicles
TARD
>>also what do you do to the built in understeer condition
>
>What exactly do you mean by this?  If the vehicle is intended to be
>driven by 'joe/jane public' you leave the settings stock.  If it's
>going to be raced the goal more often tends towards neutral.

lmfao
public roads are not a race track

>>LMFAO
>>
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>
>Duuuhhhh !
Some ga - 22 Mar 2005 02:42 GMT
><snip>
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>lmfao
>public roads are not a race track

hence my initial "leave it stock"  

BUT ! if it's going to be raced or used otherwise, you adapt it for
what it's going to be used for.  Simple serving the customers needs.
Jim Warman - 21 Mar 2005 05:34 GMT
Well, let's see... if I raise the pressure enough to cause a 3mm change in
ride height on both front, I haven't changed camber on whit.... The 0.1
degree of caster change (also being equal) isn't going to amount to a hill
of beens since typical caster windows are about 2 degrees. Bump steer
characteristics wont change since I haven't changed tie rod angle.
Understeer/oversteer is more an effect of front to rear weight bias than
most alignment settings (though negative camber and toe out will make them
turn in better).... not forgetting that this characteristic is also affected
by other suspension geometry that is largely unadjustable (or has no
provision made for adjustment).

We'll pose a question that you wont answer anyway... what affect does camber
spread and caster spread have on steering?

You're coming up limper and lamer with each passing post. You appear to be
using a shovel to try and get out of a hole.
3 dog nite@swatch.com - 21 Mar 2005 13:46 GMT
>Well, let's see... if I raise the pressure enough to cause a 3mm change in
>ride height on both front, I haven't changed camber on whit.... The 0.1
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>We'll pose a question that you wont answer anyway... what affect does camber
>spread and caster spread have on steering?

spread which way?

>You're coming up limper and lamer with each passing post. You appear to be
>using a shovel to try and get out of a hole.

lmfao
you better redo your math
and show me your work
Jim Warman - 21 Mar 2005 20:51 GMT
It doesn't matter "which way"... caster and camber have an
inter-relationship... caster spread and camber spread have their own unique
effects.

Notice I have done no math to show and if I did, it certainly wouldn't be
shown to you.

> >Well, let's see... if I raise the pressure enough to cause a 3mm change in
> >ride height on both front, I haven't changed camber on whit.... The 0.1
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> you better redo your math
> and show me your work
3 dog nite@swatch.com - 22 Mar 2005 01:26 GMT
>It doesn't matter "which way"... caster and camber have an
>inter-relationship... caster spread and camber spread have their own unique
>effects.

um yea it does
i can off set a camber pull with castor

you see the numbers can be in the green
but you can still have a half a.s alignment

>Notice I have done no math to show and if I did, it certainly wouldn't be
>shown to you.

yup ya made up a bunch of numbers

thats what I thought

hurc ast

hurc ast
Jim Warman - 22 Mar 2005 02:12 GMT
Which "numbers" are fabricated? Have someone read the manual for you....
caster "windows" are typically along the lines of 2 degrees with some even
being larger.

I would suggest that you are certainly in no position to pretend to play
'high and mighty'.....
3 dog nite@swatch.com - 22 Mar 2005 06:38 GMT
>Which "numbers" are fabricated? Have someone read the manual for you....
>caster "windows" are typically along the lines of 2 degrees with some even
>being larger.

lmfao
and the 3 mm

lmfao
>I would suggest that you are certainly in no position to pretend to play
>'high and mighty'.....

lmfao
tell me warman how many camber degrees will compensate for a castor
degree

come on
Jim Warman - 23 Mar 2005 03:23 GMT
What is "castor"??? Oh, yeah... it's a legume.... they used to make motor
oil from it - some racers used it right up to the '70s. Considering your
mouth, it sounds like your momma fed you a lot of castor oil in your time.

Y'see, bowser.... I don't need to answer your questions. I have absolutely
nothing to prove to you because you simply don't matter.
3 dog nite@swatch.com - 23 Mar 2005 04:14 GMT
>What is "castor"??? Oh, yeah... it's a legume.... they used to make motor
>oil from it - some racers used it right up to the '70s. Considering your
>mouth, it sounds like your momma fed you a lot of castor oil in your time.
>
>Y'see, bowser.... I don't need to answer your questions. I have absolutely
>nothing to prove to you because you simply don't matter.

becaause you dont know
lmfao
Some ga - 22 Mar 2005 02:44 GMT
><snip>
>you see the numbers can be in the green
>but you can still have a half a.s alignment
><snip>

They give you a colour coded alignment rack?

I suppose they've got to make it for who's using it
 ;-)
 
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