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Q:  '67 Galaxie and gas

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stevekulpa@yahoo.com - 28 Sep 2005 15:06 GMT
I just purchased my first 'vintage' car and now I'm wondering if it
will run on unleaded gas.  will it or do I have to add some additive?

thanks,
steve
Tom Adkins - 28 Sep 2005 16:15 GMT
> I just purchased my first 'vintage' car and now I'm wondering if it
> will run on unleaded gas.  will it or do I have to add some additive?
>
> thanks,
> steve

 It depends on how much the car will be driven. If driven on weekends for shows,
general cruising, etc you will be fine on unleaded. If the car will be used like a
"second car" a lead substitute will be needed. The best solution would be to have
hardened valve seats installed in the heads.
 Your 67 is a good looking car, I had a 67 XL some years ago.
stevekulpa@yahoo.com - 28 Sep 2005 16:39 GMT
thanks for the info - I'll ask the seller if he worked on the heads.
the car will be for my daugther, which will be driven every day, but
not much more then to/from school and work.

thanks again,
steve
Mike Hunter - 28 Sep 2005 20:24 GMT
She is your oldest daughter, right?

mike hunt

> thanks for the info - I'll ask the seller if he worked on the heads.
> the car will be for my daugther, which will be driven every day, but
> not much more then to/from school and work.
>
> thanks again,
> steve
Steve Kulpa - 28 Sep 2005 20:29 GMT
yes, why do you ask???

steve

> She is your oldest daughter, right?
>
> mike hunt
Shawn - 28 Sep 2005 16:56 GMT
>I just purchased my first 'vintage' car and now I'm wondering if it
> will run on unleaded gas.  will it or do I have to add some additive?
>
> thanks,
> steve

It's advised to add a lead additive.To run unleaded gas in older cars,
hardened valve seats need to be installed or damage may result.
tom - 28 Sep 2005 21:18 GMT
I do not run any additives in any  of my older cars, and they are all
original. I have put 40k miles on the 428 in the 66 7 litre, 25k on the
hi-po 289 in the 65 falcon, 35k on the 200 6 cylinder in the 64 falcon, and
60k on the 351M in the 79 F250

> >I just purchased my first 'vintage' car and now I'm wondering if it
> > will run on unleaded gas.  will it or do I have to add some additive?
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> It's advised to add a lead additive.To run unleaded gas in older cars,
> hardened valve seats need to be installed or damage may result.
Mark - 29 Sep 2005 18:24 GMT
It's gonna be a shame when you need valve jobs on all of them prematurely.

>I do not run any additives in any  of my older cars, and they are all
>original. I have put 40k miles on the 428 in the 66 7 litre, 25k on the
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>> It's advised to add a lead additive.To run unleaded gas in older cars,
>> hardened valve seats need to be installed or damage may result.
tom - 29 Sep 2005 23:47 GMT
well I think that after 25 years on the "newest" one, if it don't need a
valve job now it aint gonna need one soon
> It's gonna be a shame when you need valve jobs on all of them prematurely.
>
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> >> It's advised to add a lead additive.To run unleaded gas in older cars,
> >> hardened valve seats need to be installed or damage may result.
Terry - 30 Sep 2005 00:15 GMT
Don't push them hard they'll most likely be okay.  My '65 Pontiac 2+2 with a
421 hasn't had any valve issues yet.  And when it does I guess I'll just fix
it then.  Won't kick myself after 40 years. Well maybe I will, that I didn't
get 60 years out of it !!!

Terry

> well I think that after 25 years on the "newest" one, if it don't need a
> valve job now it aint gonna need one soon
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>> >> It's advised to add a lead additive.To run unleaded gas in older cars,
>> >> hardened valve seats need to be installed or damage may result.
tom - 30 Sep 2005 01:23 GMT
well like i said before, after 39 years of nothing but unleaded gas, if it
did not go by now, i am not going to worry about it. the 7 litre now has
close to 95k miles. i got it from my father who bought it new. and when i
take it out, i run it hard. it will still smoke the rear tires going into
4th gear at 90 mph.(before the unleaded only we ran amoco high test
unleaded)
> Don't push them hard they'll most likely be okay.  My '65 Pontiac 2+2 with a
> 421 hasn't had any valve issues yet.  And when it does I guess I'll just fix
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> >> >> It's advised to add a lead additive.To run unleaded gas in older cars,
> >> >> hardened valve seats need to be installed or damage may result.
Cory Dunkle - 29 Sep 2005 01:43 GMT
Excellent choice of car. My first car was a '67 Galaxie 500 two door hardtop
(fastback). I currently drive a '68 Galaxie 500 two door hardtop. The
Galaxies are very reliable cars. One thing you want to check to be sure the
vehicle is safe is the frame. The '65-'68 full-size Fords are notorious for
frame rot under the doors and around the rear axle. My '67 was rotted in
those areas pretty badly, so I sold it being as how I had my '68 which was
in excellent condition.

As far as unleaded gas... Don't worry about it. My '67 had 202,000 miles on
it when I sold it and was within 3 psi on each cylinder of the 289. Those
little 289's are excellent engines. They are known as the "forever engine".
Running those lead substitutes and lead additives is a waste of money. They
do not add nearly the same amount of lead as was in gas back in the day, and
they do not contain the other chemicals which made the lead stay in a
gaseous form after combustion. The lead additives will leave deposits on
your valves and weld the lead deposits to your exhaust valve. When the time
comes for a rebuild and valve job if you are concerned about unleaded gas
just have hardened exhaust valve seats pressed into the head. Then it will
be a non-issue.

Just drive the car, enjoy it, and don't worry about gas. If you've got a 289
in that thing it will run on anything, unlike the alter 302's which require
at elast 89 octane. The 352 and 390 are also very reliable engines. For a
daily driver these big old Fords are excellent choices. Very reliable and
when they do need attention it's always something simple. The only downside
is gas mileage, which is typically in the 14-16 MPG range. The highest I've
ever seen from my Galaxies is ~17.5 MPG on the highway, which isn't too bad
considering the weight and aerodynamics. With current gas rpices the point
of diminishing returns is just over 20 MPG.

Anyhow, enjoy the car and don't worry about unleaded gas.

   Cory

> I just purchased my first 'vintage' car and now I'm wondering if it
> will run on unleaded gas.  will it or do I have to add some additive?
>
> thanks,
> steve
lugnut - 29 Sep 2005 02:16 GMT
>I just purchased my first 'vintage' car and now I'm wondering if it
>will run on unleaded gas.  will it or do I have to add some additive?
>
>thanks,
>steve

It should run just fine on unleaded fuel.  I would suggest
the 89 octane.  In my younger days when these were new cars,
many people felt that Amoco "white gas" which was their
premium was the best fuel for almost any car.  It was
unleaded.  We used it in anything that needed "high test"
and a lot of things that did not.

The problem with unleaded gas where hardened exhaust valve
seats are not installed is valve recession.  This almost
never happens in engines which are not constantly subjected
to high RPM or heavy loads.  My suggestion to you is to use
the 89 octane rated fuel and enjoy the car until there is a
problem which is unlikely.   If it developes a problem
requiring valve work, that will be the time to install the
hardened valve seats.  Any machine shop that can do a decent
valve job should be able to install the valve seats.  The
benefit to this approach is all the free miles you will get
before it needs anything if ever.  Just save the money until
or unless the job is needed and get some sleep.  The cost
will be exactly the same if a problem developes as it is
right now when there is no problem.

Lugnut
Steve Kulpa - 29 Sep 2005 14:47 GMT
thanks everyone for all the advise and info!
I can't wait to take delivery!!!!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4578577872

steve
Shawn - 29 Sep 2005 23:12 GMT
> thanks everyone for all the advise and info!
> I can't wait to take delivery!!!!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4578577872
>
> steve

congrats on getting the car
Steve Kulpa - 29 Sep 2005 23:38 GMT
When I tell my daughter, she'll freak!!!  can't wait for that either.
I'll be seeing her this weekend.

steve
Tom Adkins - 30 Sep 2005 00:51 GMT
> thanks everyone for all the advise and info!
> I can't wait to take delivery!!!!
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1,1&item=4578577872
>
> steve

 Wow, you bought your daughter a cool old Ford instead of a Corolla? Wanna adopt a 43
year old son?

 Actually, I have 2 kids approaching driving age. My daughter is going to get the 84
Mark VII. My son "thinks" he'll be getting the 66 7-Litre....snicker,
snicker.....yea,right. If gas keeps going up he'll be cruising a pedal car.

 Good luck with the 67. It looks like the car had AC at one time. Might not be too
hard to find the missing pieces.
 
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