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Why an SUV or utillity vehicle? A study

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oceansixtyone@hotmail.com - 17 Jan 2006 03:58 GMT
I have been away from the United States for a number of years and when
I returned I found many more utility type vehicles on the road.  This
includes SUV, station wagons and minivans. Sport Utility Vehicles as
the most popular of these utility vehicles.  It looks to me that the
SUV has become the family car of choice these days in the US.  By sales
numbers and the general view on the streets.  I want to get some
opinions on why people are choosing these as a family car, especially
SUV.  I am vary curious about the vastly increased market share of
SUVs, in the US so please tell me something if you bought one.  I am a
34 year old male and I would not be caught dead in one and would never
buy one.  Long ago when I was in the US and in high school during the
late 1980's most of us drove older used cars. However when someone
got to buy something new they often got Mustangs, Camaros, Firebirds
etc,..or imports like the Honda CRX , Nissan 240, or small pickup
trucks. . No one would get an SUV if they had a choice in the matter.
Now it seems that SUVs are fashionable even in the eyes of younger
people.    Considering that most families are 2 children or less in the
developed world, all that is needed is a 4 door sedan. In places like
Asia and Europe, a small 4 door sedan like Honda Civic is what is used
for a family of 4. A soccer mom would have to pop out many more babies
to need a bigger car. Even a 2 door car would work well if it has 4
seats.  It is strange to see people with only 2 children driving a
minivan or SUV with seating for a dozen people.  My Honda civic 4 door
can comfortably transport 4 full size adults and their scuba diving
gear vary well.  Also an SUV would not work for the farm.  Lots of
things and equipment need to be hauled that would damage the interior
of an SUV.  Farmers and ranchers need full size trucks, not SUVs.  The
average car can turn faster on a twisty road and can avoid accidents
when compared to an SUV.  You don't need a Corvette for good
handling, as even my Honda Civic can handle quite well on roads that
make SUVs wobble around or tip over.  About efficiency, the 300+ hp v8
in a Ford Mustang can actually be put to use for acceleration instead
of pulling the big jacked-up station wagon body of an SUV.  This
concept also applies to gas mileage. I noticed that SUVs I have driven
always got low gas mileage even on the highway.  Cars like Corvette
will get close to 28 miles per gallon on the highway, and these have 6
liter engines with lighter overall car weight.  So big engine size is
not the most important factor in miles per gallon.   If you want to
haul cargo then you can always rent a truck or van for a few days and
this would be cheaper than driving an SUV all the time.  About space, a
mobile DJ said to me that his cargo van holds over double the amount of
equipment than the SUV he drove earlier.  And finally about driving.
SUVs to me are work to park in the city and no fun to drive on paved
roads. They are not a pleasure to drive as I have noticed.  So why do
people buy them?
Backyard Mechanic - 17 Jan 2006 04:08 GMT
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Oscar_Lives - 17 Jan 2006 04:25 GMT
> I have been away from the United States for a number of years and when
> I returned I found many more utility type vehicles on the road.  This
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> roads. They are not a pleasure to drive as I have noticed.  So why do
> people buy them?

You probably don't want one.
oceansixtyone - 17 Jan 2006 04:42 GMT
I am not dissing anyone or putting down anyone that drives an SUV I was
just wanting to see the opinions and responses to this if any. I just
said what i think honestly. without censorship....anyway blogging is a
waste of time. and i don't have time to blog. so my articles will be
too infrequent for a blog unless someone pays me for it. that would be
geat and ill blog all day and night for that..
rmac - 17 Jan 2006 04:44 GMT
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>  So why do  people buy them?

We like SUVs, we can afford them, we buy them.
You probably will get better gas mileage in your Civic, we are sorry that
a cheap import is is all you can afford to drive. Our pity to you .
oceansixtyone - 17 Jan 2006 05:56 GMT
don't pitty me because, i choose vehicles that make sense. like my mid
1970's single engine airplane. PA-28. burns more fuel than an SUV but i
have no speed limits to deal with. i can choose to fly as fast as the
max cruise of this aircraft. also flying long distances on autopilot is
less stressful than driving. so i may use more fuel but i get something
for what i pay.  a full open throttle. in contrast an SUV gives me no
advantage for the amount of fuel burned. And the offroad capability is
not used for 99% of people in the US.  Mabye in Namibia, but not the
USA for cruising the mall parking lot..  My point is that people here
don't choose things like SUVs based on LOGIC. Unless you can prove
otherwise i rest my case.  anyway I don't need a big car and here in
the US even $3 per gallon is dirt cheap compared to most of the world i
have lived.. that is why i am used to driving a small car. i would
rather invest the money or burn it in an airplane engine. even avgas
(aviation fuel for piston powered aircraft) is dirt cheap here. so i am
enjoying it.
oceansixtyone - 17 Jan 2006 08:38 GMT
Don't pitty me because, i choose vehicles that make sense. like a mid
1970's single engine airplane. PA-28. burns more fuel than an SUV but i

have no speed limits to deal with. i can choose to fly as fast as the
max cruise of this aircraft. also flying long distances on autopilot is

less stressful than driving. so i may use more fuel but i get something

for what i pay.  a full open throttle. in contrast an SUV gives me no
advantage for the amount of fuel burned. And the offroad capability is
not used for 99% of people in the US.  Mabye in Namibia, but not the
USA for cruising the mall parking lot..  My point is that people here
don't choose things like SUVs based on LOGIC. Unless you can prove
otherwise i rest my case.  anyway I don't need a big car and here in
the US even $3 per gallon is dirt cheap compared to most of the world i

have lived.. that is why i am used to driving a small car. i would
rather invest the money or burn it in an airplane engine. even avgas
(aviation fuel for piston powered aircraft) is dirt cheap here. so i am

enjoying it.
joe schmoe - 17 Jan 2006 09:36 GMT
><snip>
>  So why do people buy them?

Perception of safety.

Safety trumps all other costs.  If you save $500 per mile driven but
become a paraplegics in a car wreck what have you saved.??
DH - 17 Jan 2006 14:22 GMT
> ><snip>
> >  So why do people buy them?
>
> Perception of safety.

But no one bothers to buckle up.  Many SUV drivers don't bother to buckle
up.  The "perception" of safety is entirely at odds with the realities of
safety.

> Safety trumps all other costs.  If you save $500 per mile driven but
> become a paraplegics in a car wreck what have you saved.??

Sure.  Far better to kill the driver of the smaller car.  It's like an arms
race.  I was driving a Ford Aspire regularly but bought a bigger vehicle
after two SUVs blew through stop signs in front of me.

I keep hearing that we live in a "Christian" country but I see very little
evidence of that.
joe schmoe - 17 Jan 2006 17:03 GMT
>> ><snip>
>> >  So why do people buy them?
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>up.  The "perception" of safety is entirely at odds with the realities of
>safety.
Well "perception" never had any basis in reality in any of it's
permutations.  

>> Safety trumps all other costs.  If you save $500 per mile driven but
>> become a paraplegics in a car wreck what have you saved.??
>
>Sure.  Far better to kill the driver of the smaller car.  It's like an arms
>race.  I was driving a Ford Aspire regularly but bought a bigger vehicle
>after two SUVs blew through stop signs in front of me.
If you were the husband of the woman "blowing through" the stop sign
with your children  would you rather she be in a huge SUV or in a
Sprint.  Arm's races are only disadvantageous to the poor and unarmed.

>I keep hearing that we live in a "Christian" country but I see very little
>evidence of that.

Oh contraire~  Quite the opposite, you have even described above how
Christian American's are.  They are not only confident in the belief
of an afterlife (not wearing safety belts themselves) but are also
generous to a fault (offering to help free you from the earthly
shackles of your body and your Ford Aspire).  

Not limiting the generosity to America they also share their material
wealth (Lead, High Explosives) with people's of different faiths in
different parts of the world.  

Name one other country that gives the Middle East as much money as the
US?  Or a country that gives the Middle East as much Lead ?  (well
aside from England 100 years ago) or their local governments presently

Thankfully I have access to Newsgroups and in the past few years I
have learned that All Americans are Pentecostal Christian Bush
Supporters, All Europeans are Roman Catholic Chirac Supporters, All
Russians are Atheists, All "AaaRabs" are generic "Muslim Fanatical"
all Africans are VooDoo believers, all "East Indians are Hindu's and
all Oriental's are Buddhists

In a few more months I will fully understand SUV drivers, Corvette
Drivers, Jap car drivers (including those designed and built in the
US) and all aspects of Geopolitics.
scott21230@gmail.com - 17 Jan 2006 18:15 GMT
For one thing, tha automakers have practically stopped marketing wagons
and hatchbacks in the US.  Presumably this is to force people to buy
more expensive SUV's.  And a lot of people are really "sheeple".  That
and a lot fo people will but something and hardly ever use it.  By that
I mean if they need to haul something big enough to require a truck
once or twice over the life of their next vehicle, they will buy the
truck or SUV instead of doing something smarter like buying a car and
renting the truck on the rare freak occasion that they actually need
one.
Mike Hunter - 17 Jan 2006 23:41 GMT
If the American buyers would buy station wagons and hatchback cars, the
manufacture would still be building  them.  The fact is both were
discontinued because of lack of sales, period.  Both were offer by domestic
along side SUVs, Mini vans but they did not sell and were dropped generally
when new models came onto the market.

mike hunt

> For one thing, tha automakers have practically stopped marketing wagons
> and hatchbacks in the US.  Presumably this is to force people to buy
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> renting the truck on the rare freak occasion that they actually need
> one.
Gomer Einstein - 18 Jan 2006 16:24 GMT
 I think station wagons will come back into vogue in a big way.  They
kind of are already (certain ones, anyway).
 As for minivans and SUV's--I think people like sitting up higher.  And
a minivan will get almost as good fuel economy as a passenger car, so
why not?  They are easier to get in & out of for elderly and otherwise
physically challenged.
 I was looking for another Chevy S-10 pickup when I stumbled upon a
Dodge Caravan c/v (cargo van).
 I decided I could haul anything in that van that I could in a pickup,
with the exception of a refrigerator standing up.
 Plus it gets as good of gas mileage, and it's front wheel drive, which
I like in winter time.
 Anyway--I never bought another S-10; and have had 6 Caravans.
 I don't have SUV's because I drive so much that fuel economy is of
high concern.  
James Goforth - 18 Jan 2006 23:53 GMT
 I've also heard Americans aren't exactly geting smaller.
oceansixtyone - 20 Jan 2006 09:16 GMT
>> "joe schmoe" <me@virgin.not> wrote in message:
> > Perception of safety.
> >
> > Safety trumps all other costs.  If you save $500 per mile driven but
> > become a paraplegics in a car wreck what have you saved.??

> Sure.  Far better to kill the driver of the smaller car.  It's like an arms
> race.  I was driving a Ford Aspire regularly but bought a bigger vehicle
> after two SUVs blew through stop signs in front of me.
>
> I keep hearing that we live in a "Christian" country but I see very little
> evidence of that.

If the population of SUVs becomes over 65% of all cars on the road, it
will become a safety issue for those that don't drive one.

To stay safe and one step ahead of everyone else I will be forced to
get
a Kenworth tractor trailer. Without the trailer it would make the
ultimate
commuter vehicle. I like the dump truck version with 18 wheels even
better.
I will consider this as my daily driver. In fact Kenworth has one
of the highest ratings in the world for quality. The 16 liter engine
provides plenty of torque.

http://www.kenworth.com/2100_vir_c500.asp

http://www.kenworth.com/

Here is my favorite quote on the website about the Kenworth heavy dump
truck:

"The C500 cab is heavily reinforced to withstand rugged environments
and the optional cab air suspension smoothes out rough terrain. The
optional sheet-metal hood and fenders shrugs off branches, choke
chains, or whatever comes its way.
But this rugged durability doesn't mean you have to give up driver
comfort. Regardless of what is going on around the truck, inside the
cab it is quiet and comfortable."
Berkshire Bill - 20 Jan 2006 11:34 GMT
>>> "joe schmoe" <me@virgin.not> wrote in message:
>> > Perception of safety.
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> comfort. Regardless of what is going on around the truck, inside the
> cab it is quiet and comfortable."

I just grabbed the quickest link I could find, but I'm sure these are being
built in the States also.
http://www.campersite.be/verdelers/rv/class-C.htm
Your Family or co-workers are entitled to comfort during the commute.

Happy modeming,
Bill
joe schmoe - 20 Jan 2006 12:26 GMT
><snip>
>
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>comfort. Regardless of what is going on around the truck, inside the
>cab it is quiet and comfortable."

That's all well and good. BUT does it have integrated child seats and
cup holders?  Make-up mirrors?  DVD VHS players?  Play station points?
Parking sensors?

I'm liking what I'm hearing so far, but my wife wouldn't be interested
without the child-seats or make-up mirrors.
Jim Warman - 17 Jan 2006 09:59 GMT
FWIW... Having owned a truck based vehicle for nearly 30 years, it has
become my preferred "format". I can't speak for others but I will mention
more a bit later in this treatise.....

Our current ride is a 2002 F SuperCrew.... In retrospect, I would have
preferred a CC SuperDuty but that would have me buying a diesel (by choice)
and then abusing it by not driving it hard enough, often enough. The SC does
pretty good at my very few, very short trips with the holiday trailer (no
need to go too far when there's a wonderful lake on my doorstep). I had a 92
Explorer and loved it but missed the utility of the pick up truck. The crew
cab part was for my son, large (tall, not rotund) at an early age.

My wife loves sitting higher than most (at home, we see many more trucks
than cars) when she ventures to Edmonton... many miles to the south. She
also likes (and sometimes needs) the pick up bed.

My son is now 18 (Gawd, don't time fly) and has a 95 F140 4X4.... never a
nice thing to say about the gas mileage, but it's hard to haul his quad in
the trunk of a car.

For my family, 4 wheel drive (ever experienced a gung ho Alberta winter?)
makes sense...

Now... where we do see many concerns.... those that suddenly "want" a large
platform vehicle. The transistion from car to truck, for many, is umpleasant
and, on occasion, deadly. There are those that will have an abject disregard
for the laws of physics... who needs to understand physics, anyway? After
all, we have Sam Bernstein and Jim "the hammer" Shapiro on our side.....
oceansixtyone - 17 Jan 2006 12:14 GMT
I like the comment by Joe Schmoe.  I was doing some research about that
subject and found that when a car and SUV collide, the people in the
SUV often walk away and the people in the car die. This is a valid
point that I agree with and did not think about before.  If you buy a
quarter million dollar Ferrari it is still just a car.  In a car and
SUV collision I would bet on the SUV driver as survivor. OK you win on
this one.

Also I think there is too much negative bias against SUVs.  I think it
is the fact that in the people in the US have cheap gas.  I mean that
as under $3 per gallon and many people in the world pay much more in
taxes on each gallon.

I am sure that environmentalists would go nuts if they knew that I like
to keep my home at above 80 degrees F heating all winter.  My heating
bills here in the Midwest are really high.  at this rate I am not
conserving natural resources,  but as long as I pay my natural gas bill
that is my business.  so I have no right to point at hummer drivers.

And anyone out there if you are going to get an SUV, please get the
truck based ones, not the car based "crossover".   Lets not support
this crap. they are starting to cross SUVs with cars. If you are going
to get an SUV at least get the real thing, not some ugly a.s 4X4
station wagon.

They said "Pontiac Aztec" and I said "Oh sh.t".
Backyard Mechanic - 17 Jan 2006 13:18 GMT
Well, I'm getting REAL confused here.

Just what IS your POINT!

Here's mine.  The car makers  uh, ,Chrysler.. once had a really GREAT
idea, they called it a minivan.

The capacity of a small truck, the economy and comfort of a station
wagon.

What was wrong with that?!!

!!!!ONLY the driving of the people who bought them!!!!

And THAT is, to a great extent, WHY people bought SUV's instead.

They were a 'cooler' ride.

Dont get all hissy about a car based SUV... it's a 'cooler' minivan, aint
it..or really a station wagon?

\
> And anyone out there if you are going to get an SUV, please get the
> truck based ones, not the car based "crossover".   Lets not support
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>
> They said "Pontiac Aztec" and I said "Oh sh.t".

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I Love Edsels - 20 Jan 2006 17:55 GMT
Why buy an SUV?

because I am a prick.
Mike Hunter - 17 Jan 2006 16:20 GMT
You HAVE been out of the US for quite some time.  The US is the largest
vehicle market in the world and the US has the most robust economy in the
world.  that is why so many foreign manufactures have entered the US market.
Those Americans, that dot need a vehicle that can haul more than four people
and can not afford to by the larger safer more expensive vehicles, tend to
buy small cars or CUVs.  CUVs re the SUV types that are built on car chassis
rather than a sturdier truck chasses as are SUVs. Those buyer that require
larger more powerful vehicles, to haul  their family and all of their
'stuff,' tend to buy larger safer cars SUVs and CUVs.   Many American that
can afford to buy both a small car, to use when they do not require the
abilities of the other type of vehicles, as well as the other type of
vehicle for when the do need that type of vehicle.  Over the past five years
or so light trucks, including SUVs etc have sold at a rate greater than
cars, as high as 55% in 2004.  In 2005 however cars accounted for just over
50% of the 18,000,000 new vehicles sold in the US.  The number of new
vehicles sold in the US today is more than twice what it was just twenty
years ago. According to the US census the average American family owns three
vehicles, not one

mike hunt

> I have been away from the United States for a number of years and when
> I returned I found many more utility type vehicles on the road.  This
[quoted text clipped - 41 lines]
> roads. They are not a pleasure to drive as I have noticed.  So why do
> people buy them?
 
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