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94 thunderbird ??

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l - 04 Feb 2006 01:25 GMT
I have a 94 thunderbird that shifts erratically. if I am in town and only
going 5 mph it will shift through all the gears right into overdrive. i
don't think it is the throttle sensor because i can make it shift with the
gas pedal. if i am on a hill i have to work the gas pedal to make it
downshift or it will go right into overdrive and buck.can anyone help??
Backyard Mechanic - 04 Feb 2006 01:35 GMT
> I have a 94 thunderbird that shifts erratically. if I am in town and
> only going 5 mph it will shift through all the gears right into
> overdrive. i don't think it is the throttle sensor because i can make
> it shift with the gas pedal. if i am on a hill i have to work the gas
> pedal to make it downshift or it will go right into overdrive and
> buck.can anyone help??

Engine?

Does your Cruise Control work?

Take it to Autozone, get codes read out, if it's a 4.6L

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lugnut - 04 Feb 2006 14:03 GMT
>I have a 94 thunderbird that shifts erratically. if I am in town and only
>going 5 mph it will shift through all the gears right into overdrive. i
>don't think it is the throttle sensor because i can make it shift with the
>gas pedal. if i am on a hill i have to work the gas pedal to make it
>downshift or it will go right into overdrive and buck.can anyone help??

As Backyard said, the first thing you need is to get the ECM
scanned for any fault codes.  Any of fault code related to
vehicle speed or load may cause this.  The nuetral switch on
the trans can cause this erratic operation w/o setting a
code in a lot of vehicles.  But, don,t touch anything until
you get the ECM scanned and have some idea what you are
working with.

Lugnut
Puddin' Man - 04 Feb 2006 18:48 GMT
I belong to 94 TB LX V8. After considerable search, the
connection for my ECM was found under the dash on
shotgun side. Might wanna check there first, maybe save
a little time.

 Puddin'

>I have a 94 thunderbird that shifts erratically. if I am in town and only
>going 5 mph it will shift through all the gears right into overdrive. i
>don't think it is the throttle sensor because i can make it shift with the
>gas pedal. if i am on a hill i have to work the gas pedal to make it
>downshift or it will go right into overdrive and buck.can anyone help??
George Csahanin - 24 Mar 2006 06:25 GMT
Those had a flaky gearshift switch. The shifter controls a switch, not a
linkage to the trans. The switch gets flaky, and shifting gets erratic. Had
this in my 94 Cougar. Fix is fast, get it from the bottom. I got lazy and
had the dealer do it.

Local transmission shop insisted it was going to take a new transmission. I
feared the dealer would be worse. But it was done by three hours after I
dropped it off.

Check the switch, may be a quick one to fix.

-GeorgeC

> I have a 94 thunderbird that shifts erratically. if I am in town and only
> going 5 mph it will shift through all the gears right into overdrive. i
> don't think it is the throttle sensor because i can make it shift with the
> gas pedal. if i am on a hill i have to work the gas pedal to make it
> downshift or it will go right into overdrive and buck.can anyone help??
Puddin' Man - 24 Mar 2006 17:03 GMT
Me: '94 Tbird LX V8

The "switch" is the MLPS. I replaced the one on my
4r70w 18 months ago and it fixed it, but I had
different symptoms.

The "computer" on the '94 has had problems. As near
as I can tell, for years, if you asked for a '94
replacement, they'd hand you a '95 computer.

Others (lugnut?) may have add'l relevant info.

 Cheers,
 Puddin'

>Those had a flaky gearshift switch. The shifter controls a switch, not a
>linkage to the trans. The switch gets flaky, and shifting gets erratic. Had
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>> gas pedal. if i am on a hill i have to work the gas pedal to make it
>> downshift or it will go right into overdrive and buck.can anyone help??
Gerri - 28 Mar 2006 08:48 GMT
>The "switch" is the MLPS

I just bought a 94 LX with the 3.8l V6, and have noticed some erratic
shifts once in a while.

What does "MLPS" stand for?

Is this something a parts store would have, or is it a dealer part?

How difficult is it to replace this switch?

Thanks for the advice guys!

Gerri
Sharon K.Cooke - 28 Mar 2006 15:07 GMT
> >The "switch" is the MLPS
>
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>
> Gerri

Manual Lever Position Sensor. It's on the driver's side of a 4R70W transmission,
and takes maybe 5 minutes to replace once the car is "up" or over a pit. The
weather seals on these things weren't very good up thru mid-'95 and have caused
transmission problems.
Puddin' Man - 28 Mar 2006 16:33 GMT
>> >The "switch" is the MLPS
>>
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>
>Manual Lever Position Sensor. It's on the driver's side of a 4R70W transmission,

Correct. Did they mate the 4r70w to the 3.8?

>and takes maybe 5 minutes to replace once the car is "up" or over a pit.

No, its not necessarily that easy. There's an alignment issue with the
lever on the console ...

>The
>weather seals on these things weren't very good

Actually, they were horrible.

>up thru mid-'95 and have caused
>transmission problems.

Lots of 'em.

I found a replacement at Auto Zone maybe 18 months ago. Much
easier to install (on my 4r70w, '94 TB LX V8) than what they
had at the dealer. Under $30.

Suggest to Gerri to describe erratic shifts in as much
detail as possible. Also some indication (numbers on the
door plate ?) of which tranny on the car and mileage.

 Cheers,
 Puddin'
Sharon K.Cooke - 28 Mar 2006 16:57 GMT
> >> >The "switch" is the MLPS
> >>
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>   Cheers,
>   Puddin'

Yes, you have to be aware of the neutral alignment issue, but there are a number
of places on the 'Net that have detailed instructions for this. Here's one:
http://www.markviii.org/htdocs/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=21&topic_id=51
973&mesg_id=51973&page
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Gerri - 29 Mar 2006 14:17 GMT
I found a replacement at Auto Zone maybe 18 months ago. Much
easier to install (on my 4r70w, '94 TB LX V8) than what they
had at the dealer. Under $30.

Suggest to Gerri to describe erratic shifts in as much
detail as possible. Also some indication (numbers on the
door plate ?) of which tranny on the car and mileage.

 Cheers,
 Puddin'

 Hi There!

Went out this morning and looked for numbers.  This is what I found on
the sticker on the door.

Body - LX2
VR -
MCDG - R
INT TRM - X6
Tape -
R - H
S -
AX - 5
TR - LCCMM

The 'erratic shifting' happened on the second test drive.  I took the
car down a curvy road with many small hills.  More than once, when
coasting down a small hill, it seemed as tho the car downshifted into a
lower gear.  This only lasted a few seconds before going back to the
top gear.  I watched the tach and the needle would jump from about
13-1500 up to 22-2400 rpm.  And NO, I wasn't over-revving the engine.
Since I bought it, I think this has happened only one time, again when
I let off the gas while going downhill on the highway.  And again, it
went right back to the higher gear.

I know the car hadn't been driven much in the 2-3 months before I
bought it.  I've had it now for about three weeks and it is almost a
daily driver.  Could the problem be from being parked for a while and
now that it is back in use, the problem is correcting itself?  Or,
should I go ahead and replace this 'switch'?

The mileage on the car is just shy of 84,000.

Thanks for the advice guys!

Gerri
Puddin' Man - 29 Mar 2006 17:16 GMT
>I found a replacement at Auto Zone maybe 18 months ago. Much
>easier to install (on my 4r70w, '94 TB LX V8) than what they
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>I let off the gas while going downhill on the highway.  And again, it
>went right back to the higher gear.

This is consistent with the MLPS problem that I had.

>I know the car hadn't been driven much in the 2-3 months before I
>bought it.  I've had it now for about three weeks and it is almost a
>daily driver.  Could the problem be from being parked for a while and
>now that it is back in use, the problem is correcting itself?  

I seriously doubt it.

>Or,
>should I go ahead and replace this 'switch'?

Safety first. You've got some idea how it malfunctions. Not
a big deal in light traffic. If it happens on a hiway
interchange (it did to me), it could cause an accident.
So be careful.

It was an erratic problem for me. 4-5 years ago it might
happen only 3-4 times a year. Progressively got worse
until I replaced MLPS.

Here's what I did: let off gas, shift to neutral, then
shift back to drive. This always got me under power again.

My door code sez:
TR  L33FF

So I'm still not certain which tranny you have (I forgot
individual meanings of these codes). You might wanna
start a new thread like "ID tranny and MLPS: 94 LX 3.8l V6 "
to nail it down. I'm not sure what-all trannies had
the defective MLPS.

>The mileage on the car is just shy of 84,000.
>
>Thanks for the advice guys!
>
>Gerri

The important thing is to fully identify and track
the problem. If you want to replace the MLPS, I'll
help with additional info.

 Puddin'
Bill M - 02 Apr 2006 04:53 GMT
Codes do not make sense???
94 TB should have a 4R70W automatic transmission
the 3.8 L has a different solenoid but I do not think that will affect the
MLPS.
Bill

     How To Tell How Your Car is Equipped

     There is a small metal tag that is mounted inside of the
front-passenger door.  This tag, known as a Vehicle Certification Label,
contains a lot of information about how your car is built and equipped.
Diagram 1 below shows what a typical VCL for a 93-97 PI might look like.

     There are several code fields on a VCL.  It makes it easier to
remember that there are codes that are above and below the horizontal
dividing line.  The two character code on the left side of the tag, and
above the dividing line, designates the body paint color code.  The codes on
the right side, and above the dividing line, are District codes that
designate where the car was built, and special order codes.

     The codes below the dividing line, from left to right, are as follows:

     BODY = Body Type
     MLDG = Moulding Color/Type
     INT TRIM = Interior Trim (Seat Type/Color)
     Tape = Tape Trim Type
     R = Radio Type
     S = Sun Roof or Roof Sliding Panels Type (N/A on a PI)
     AX = Axle Type (Ratio and locked/unlocked)
     TR = Transmission type and suspension spring type

     The following are the known (at least by me) codes for each of these
fields:

     Body Color:

     DZ = Light Saddle
     FG = Medium Berry Metallic
     FL = Toreador Red
     HB = Ivory
     LD = Medium Wedgewood Blue
     SL = Light Willow Metallic
     SH = Medium Willow Metallic
     TS = Silver Frost
     TR = Medium Graphite
     UA = Ebony Black
     WT = Performance While

     Body Code:

     FC = Police Interceptor (P71)
     BA4 = P72 Fleet Car or P73 Basic CV
     LX4 = LX Model CV

     Moulding:  Should always be CC for color coded to exterior paint
color.

     Interior Trim (First Part = Seat Type):

     K or M= Cloth K-Split Bench
     C = Leather K-Split Bench
     E = Vinyl K-Split Bench
     H = Cloth Bucket
     I = Cloth/Vinyl Bucket

     Interior Trim (Second Part = Interior Color):

     C = Currant
     N = Cordovan
     G = Willow
     L = Willow and Ivory
     P = Portofino
     S = Saddle
     X = Oxford White and Light Graphite
     2 = Light Graphite
     M = Portofino and Light Graphite

     Tape Trim Type: N/A

     Radio Type:

     6 = AM/FM/MPX, Electronic Premium Cassette
     F = AM/FM Stereo, Electronic
     H = AM/FM Stereo/Cassette, Electronic
     L = Luxury Radio AM/FM Stereo/Cassette
     2 = Radio Delete

     Sun Roof/Sliding Panel Codes (N/A on a PI):

     B = Sliding
     C = Removeable

     Axle Ratio:

     8 = 2.73:1
     Z = 3.08:1
     5 = 3.27:1 (Unlocked)
     E = 3.27:1 (Locked)

     Transmission Type:

     U = Automatic Overdrive, 4R70W (Standard on all CVs)
     X = Automatic Overdrive 4-Speed, AX4N

     Suspension Spring Type (This is a four character code.  The letters
represent, in order, left-front, right-front, left-rear, and right-rear):

     Front Spring Codes (Part Number and Catch Word):

     2 = F4AC-AA/AFD
     3 = F4AC-BA/BOS
     4 = F4AC-CA/CKV
     5 = F4AC-DA/DHL
     6 = F4AC-EA/ETR
     7 = F4AC-FA/FPK
     N = F4AC-ANA/NUL

     Rear Spring Codes (Part Number and Catch Word):

     E = D9AC-AEA/TOW
     J = F4AC-AA/ARP
     K = F4AC-BA/BKM
     L = F4AC-CA/CWT
     X = DZAB-DA/HDS
     Z = DZAB-CA/AIR
     C = F6AC-C/CMG
     D = F6AC-D/DSJ

>>I found a replacement at Auto Zone maybe 18 months ago. Much
>>easier to install (on my 4r70w, '94 TB LX V8) than what they
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>
>  Puddin'
Puddin' Man - 02 Apr 2006 21:23 GMT
>Codes do not make sense???

Thanks. I've never seen any breakdown of the codes.

>94 TB should have a 4R70W automatic transmission

My '94 TB LX V8, I guarantee.

>the 3.8 L has a different solenoid but I do not think that will affect the
>MLPS.

As I understand it, the other 94 TB tranny is AODE, which
has (old style) hydraulic downshift.

Safe to assume that all 94 TB 3.8's were mated to AODE?

Safe to assume that all AODE's had same MLPS as 4r70w?

I notice the TR codes don't have anything for, say,
supercharged V6 and manual tranny ...

Respectfully inquiring:
So, if Gerri's is "TR - LCCMM" and mine is "TR  L33FF",
how do we make sense of your code table (for trannies)?

 Thanks,
 Puddin'

     How To Tell How Your Car is Equipped

     There is a small metal tag that is mounted inside of the
front-passenger door.  This tag, known as a Vehicle Certification
Label,
contains a lot of information about how your car is built and
equipped.
Diagram 1 below shows what a typical VCL for a 93-97 PI might look
like.

     There are several code fields on a VCL.  It makes it easier to
remember that there are codes that are above and below the horizontal
dividing line.  The two character code on the left side of the tag,
and
above the dividing line, designates the body paint color code.  The
codes on
the right side, and above the dividing line, are District codes that
designate where the car was built, and special order codes.

     The codes below the dividing line, from left to right, are as
follows:

     BODY = Body Type
     MLDG = Moulding Color/Type
     INT TRIM = Interior Trim (Seat Type/Color)
     Tape = Tape Trim Type
     R = Radio Type
     S = Sun Roof or Roof Sliding Panels Type (N/A on a PI)
     AX = Axle Type (Ratio and locked/unlocked)
     TR = Transmission type and suspension spring type

     The following are the known (at least by me) codes for each of
these
fields:

     Body Color:

     DZ = Light Saddle
     FG = Medium Berry Metallic
     FL = Toreador Red
     HB = Ivory
     LD = Medium Wedgewood Blue
     SL = Light Willow Metallic
     SH = Medium Willow Metallic
     TS = Silver Frost
     TR = Medium Graphite
     UA = Ebony Black
     WT = Performance While

     Body Code:

     FC = Police Interceptor (P71)
     BA4 = P72 Fleet Car or P73 Basic CV
     LX4 = LX Model CV

     Moulding:  Should always be CC for color coded to exterior paint
color.

     Interior Trim (First Part = Seat Type):

     K or M= Cloth K-Split Bench
     C = Leather K-Split Bench
     E = Vinyl K-Split Bench
     H = Cloth Bucket
     I = Cloth/Vinyl Bucket

     Interior Trim (Second Part = Interior Color):

     C = Currant
     N = Cordovan
     G = Willow
     L = Willow and Ivory
     P = Portofino
     S = Saddle
     X = Oxford White and Light Graphite
     2 = Light Graphite
     M = Portofino and Light Graphite

     Tape Trim Type: N/A

     Radio Type:

     6 = AM/FM/MPX, Electronic Premium Cassette
     F = AM/FM Stereo, Electronic
     H = AM/FM Stereo/Cassette, Electronic
     L = Luxury Radio AM/FM Stereo/Cassette
     2 = Radio Delete

     Sun Roof/Sliding Panel Codes (N/A on a PI):

     B = Sliding
     C = Removeable

     Axle Ratio:

     8 = 2.73:1
     Z = 3.08:1
     5 = 3.27:1 (Unlocked)
     E = 3.27:1 (Locked)

     Transmission Type:

     U = Automatic Overdrive, 4R70W (Standard on all CVs)
     X = Automatic Overdrive 4-Speed, AX4N

     Suspension Spring Type (This is a four character code.  The
letters
represent, in order, left-front, right-front, left-rear, and
right-rear):

     Front Spring Codes (Part Number and Catch Word):

     2 = F4AC-AA/AFD
     3 = F4AC-BA/BOS
     4 = F4AC-CA/CKV
     5 = F4AC-DA/DHL
     6 = F4AC-EA/ETR
     7 = F4AC-FA/FPK
     N = F4AC-ANA/NUL

     Rear Spring Codes (Part Number and Catch Word):

     E = D9AC-AEA/TOW
     J = F4AC-AA/ARP
     K = F4AC-BA/BKM
     L = F4AC-CA/CWT
     X = DZAB-DA/HDS
     Z = DZAB-CA/AIR
     C = F6AC-C/CMG
     D = F6AC-D/DSJ

>>I found a replacement at Auto Zone maybe 18 months ago. Much
>>easier to install (on my 4r70w, '94 TB LX V8) than what they
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>
>  Puddin'
lugnut - 03 Apr 2006 01:40 GMT
>>Codes do not make sense???
>
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>  Thanks,
>  Puddin'

FYI, the AODE and 4R70W are essentially the same trans with
the exception that the 4R70W used the same gearset as the
trucks had used for a higher ration 1 and 2.  Both are
electronic units.  There are of course other more subtle
differences.  The AOD (no "E") is the hydraulic unit.

Lugnut

>      How To Tell How Your Car is Equipped
>
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>>
>>  Puddin'
Puddin' Man - 03 Apr 2006 03:42 GMT
>>>Codes do not make sense???
>>
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>trucks had used for a higher ration 1 and 2.  Both are
>electronic units.  

It was the tranny guy at the local Ford dealer told
me that AODE had hydraulic downshift, elec. upshift.
Both are electronic for 4r70w. Differing MLPS unit?
Damned if I know: never hadda AODE.

I never tell folks that such stuff (i.e. MLPS) is identical
unless I have personal knowledge. I ain't a pro.

Other Q's above remain unanswered ...

 Puddin'

>There are of course other more subtle
>differences.  The AOD (no "E") is the hydraulic unit.
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>>>
>>>  Puddin'
lugnut - 03 Apr 2006 04:50 GMT
>>>>Codes do not make sense???
>>>
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>
>  Puddin'

I believe the MLPS is the same on the AODE/4R70W units as
the big diff is the gear set.  There was a change in the
electronic specs beginning in 1995 year IIRC.  Erratic
shifts and nuetrals were a hallmark of bad MLPS units in the
whole line of Fords thru 1996 or so.  Hell, I'm not sure
they have a surefire handle on it now.

Lugnut

>>There are of course other more subtle
>>differences.  The AOD (no "E") is the hydraulic unit.
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>>>>
>>>>  Puddin'
Puddin' Man - 03 Apr 2006 15:04 GMT
>>>>>Codes do not make sense???
>>>>
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>the big diff is the gear set.  There was a change in the
>electronic specs beginning in 1995 year IIRC.  

This is consistent with what I heard from the
Ford dealer ...

>Erratic
>shifts and nuetrals were a hallmark of bad MLPS units in the
>whole line of Fords thru 1996 or so.  

You mean upper line, i.e. TB, CV, LTC? They didn't put
the "Headache Switch" on Essy-Cort trannies, did they? :-)

>Hell, I'm not sure
>they have a surefire handle on it now.

"Don't Get Me Stahted (It Only Hurts When I Laugh)!"

 Cheers,
 Puddin'
>Lugnut
>
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>>>>>
>>>>>  Puddin'
 
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