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Car Forum / Ford / Ford Cars / March 2006

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Battery Voltage drop at higer revs - 99 Taurus

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JP White - 23 Mar 2006 23:38 GMT
I have a 99 Taurus with the 3.0 engine.

Today on a long trip I noticed that the battery 'idiot light' came on
under hard acceleration. Upon further investigation with a OBDII tool
while driving the vehicle I see that the battery voltage drops from a
steady 13.5V to around 12v only when the engine revs are increased to
around 4,000 or more. The idiot light comes on at these times.

This is indicative of failure of something in the charging system. Does
a knowledgeable mechanic here know if it is likely to be the voltage
regulator or the alternator? I'm not even sure if the Taurus has a
separate voltage regulator or if it's part of the alternator on this
vehicle.

Any advice welcome on diagnosing the faulty component.

JP
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Backyard Mechanic - 24 Mar 2006 00:10 GMT
> I have a 99 Taurus with the 3.0 engine.
>
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>
> Any advice welcome on diagnosing the faulty component.

Brushes... really.  They are probably available.   Can usually happen
between 125 and 190 kmiles

It ALSO COULD be the VR, but that's classic of worn brushes.  But IIRC the
charging voltage SHOULD be about 14.3 to 14.6
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JP White - 24 Mar 2006 01:06 GMT
>> I have a 99 Taurus with the 3.0 engine.
>>
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> Brushes... really.  They are probably available.   Can usually happen
> between 125 and 190 kmiles

Hey thanks for your quick advice!! The car has 72K on it, low for the
year, my wife does about 8k a year.

Something always seems to 'go wrong' on these long trips. I suspect it's
because I'm the driver on long trips and she simply doesn't notice the
early warning signs.

> It ALSO COULD be the VR, but that's classic of worn brushes.  But IIRC the
> charging voltage SHOULD be about 14.3 to 14.6

Oh OK. I'll get the charging voltage checked independently, the ODBII
system may not be well calibrated after 7 years of operation. Will
changing the brushes help the average charging voltage also? Changing
brushes sounds cheaper than buying a new alternator, just a little more
work. I'll check online as well as ask at an auto parts store.

Thanks again.

JP

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Backyard Mechanic - 24 Mar 2006 03:52 GMT
>>> I have a 99 Taurus with the 3.0 engine.
>>>
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>
> JP

Sounds early for brushes... go to google and search for my alt refurb
article.
Also check autozone's site to see if your Alt is the externally/PCM
regulated 'new improved' type.

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clare at snyder.on.ca - 24 Mar 2006 17:40 GMT
>>>> I have a 99 Taurus with the 3.0 engine.
>>>>
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>Also check autozone's site to see if your Alt is the externally/PCM
>regulated 'new improved' type.

If the car just gets knocked around town as a "wife's car" 72000 miles
can have the equivalent run time of a highway driven car with almost
200,000 on it - so I'd still say, most likely - like 90+%, brushes.
Bob Urz - 25 Mar 2006 02:08 GMT
>>> I have a 99 Taurus with the 3.0 engine.
>>>
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>
> JP

Before you buy anything, i would clean the battery cables at the
battery. check every high current power cable for corrosion and
connection torque. Check the large high current wire at the alternator
for a good connection.

How often does the car run at 4000 RPM +?.

Bob
JP White - 25 Mar 2006 23:08 GMT
> Before you buy anything, i would clean the battery cables at the
> battery. check every high current power cable for corrosion and
> connection torque. Check the large high current wire at the alternator
> for a good connection.

All checked good with Battery and cables. Exchange alternator fixed it
up. Charges at a higher voltage now.

> How often does the car run at 4000 RPM +?.

Rarely. Just when passing and needing the kick down. Typically cruises
at 2500-2700 on interstate.

JP

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Fordfan - 26 Mar 2006 14:34 GMT
>> Before you buy anything, i would clean the battery cables at the
>> battery. check every high current power cable for corrosion and
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>
> JP

I had the same problem with a 95' Escort. The charging light would come
on when the engine speed went over 2000-rpm. Changing the alternator
fixed it.
JP White - 25 Mar 2006 23:11 GMT
> It ALSO COULD be the VR, but that's classic of worn brushes.  But IIRC the
> charging voltage SHOULD be about 14.3 to 14.6

Your memory is right. Now charging at 14.3 with exchange alternator.

Glad I caught it early before it let my wife down one day.

JP

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clare at snyder.on.ca - 24 Mar 2006 17:37 GMT
>I have a 99 Taurus with the 3.0 engine.
>
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>separate voltage regulator or if it's part of the alternator on this
>vehicle.

Your brushes are worn out and/or sticking.
>Any advice welcome on diagnosing the faulty component.
>
>JP
fireater - 25 Mar 2006 16:50 GMT
> I have a 99 Taurus with the 3.0 engine.
>
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>
> JP
loose belt ... under high rpm the alternator fan speeds up creating more
load maybe the belt is slipping ... otherwise its the brushes .. the
slip rings on the stator are not round or the brushes are so worn there
is not enough spring pressure and at the higher rpm the contact is not
good enough
 
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