The Flying Pinto actually flew. It was not the project of Ford Motor Co.,
but of two guys who thought they could build a flying car on a shoestring
budget. If it didn't crash and kill them both, they might have actually
developed it into series production.
In contrast to the Flying Pinto team's efficiency, Ford spent about a
billion dollars to design a mere sedan, the 80's reincarnation of the
Thunderbird. It was supposedly a completely new car.
Now, think again about the Flying Pinto, only this time as a full-blown
development project. With say three billions in R & D it could be done
right. The World would see the first commercially successful flying car.
I envision it being sold as two components. The car could be bought first,
then later, the flying kit when the owner saved enough nickels and dimes.
Probably the market is at least as big as the combined market for exotics,
a fairly small, but still a mass market.
Ford doesn't have the money or the inclination. It has to be a government
project, with licenses to the manufacturers. If Ford doesn't take the
license, Toyota would. The government has three billion at its fingertips:
That's two month's worth of wasted money for the failing Iraqi war. Our
Leader must stop his personal, Constitutionally illegal undeclared war,
recall the troops and begin investing the money saved into a long, long
overdue project, the flying car.
Within two or three years we could have prototypes. Within 10 years you
should be able to buy a flying car for no more than the price of a
Corvette, in my opinion, given the economies of a mass production assembly
line. Any new Flying Car would be much easier to take off and land than
any present day light plane because of all the advances made in
aerodynamics and electronic controls. Navigation is vastly improved too,
with GPS...the same system used to negotiate city streets would get you
safely from city to city. Doesn't all that wet your appetite?
As with all dream projects, its in the financing more than the
technicalities. The technology is there, only the will and the money. As
long as we flush our money down the tubes, we will never see the 21st
Century products we predicted half a century ago, in particular the flying
automobile.
The Flying Car would be fueled by synthetic gasoline, derived from coal
conversion to oil, another multibillion dollar government project funded by
the peace dividend. Synthetic gasoline would free us from the clutches of
the likes of Arab shieks, Venezuelen strong men, and Nigerian Mau-Mau.
Think about it, then petition your Congressmen to get the President to
change his tune or call for his impeachment and removal before the
disgruntled generals do the Coup D'etat. Our tax money is needed for
critical commercial projects, not deadly war games.
Bret Ludwig - 20 Apr 2006 07:23 GMT
> The Flying Pinto actually flew. It was not the project of Ford Motor Co.,
> but of two guys who thought they could build a flying car on a shoestring
> budget. If it didn't crash and kill them both, they might have actually
> developed it into series production.
That would be the Mizar, and it was a Cessna Mixmaster with its front
lopped off and tacked on to a Pinto. Crashed and killed the builder.
The slightly nutty and extremely intransigent but quite bright Molt
Taylor did a better job on the Aerocar.
Suggest you need a purpose built car, one, and a single engine for
both. Mopar does not offer a suitable engine today although the New
hemi might work in a pinch. An all aluminum V8 would be better. You
will also want to use a heavy Gilmer belt drive and have the prop close
to the engine as much as practicable. Taylor used a long driveshaft, a
Dodge coupling (no relation to Mopar-a different company) and a piece
of sh.t Lycoming which gave no end of trouble in the automotive mode.
Tom - 20 Apr 2006 09:32 GMT
most people can not even drive a car safely, and you want them to fly a
plane???
Backyard Mechanic - 20 Apr 2006 11:36 GMT
..Yet some more pie in the sky Bullsh!t, representative of his fifties
era 'Popular Mechanics' Simple Simon mentality.
Go to a library and check some of the 50 year old Pop Mechs..
AmphiCar
The Fly-in Subdivision.. taxi your Piper to your house
The ubiquitous Jeep; unhook the plow, go get groceries and pick up Junior
from Band Practice.
And we note that none of the wonderful combo-vehicles has EVER made it to
the point where they're commercially viable.
One MAIN reason... increasingly stringent FAA safety certification
requirements.
Got to admit... ol' Nomen has indeed hit on a unique method of trolling.
Wonder how long it'll take for the staff at the 'home' to capture him
this time.
Or maybe he's REALLY Al Gore... letting his mind run really free....

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Mike Hunter - 20 Apr 2006 16:27 GMT
Please give us your source for you opinion that makes you believe our war
against radical
Islamic terrorist is Constitutionally illegal or undeclared.
mike hunt
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> Leader must stop his personal, Constitutionally illegal undeclared war,
> recall the troops and begin investing the money saved into a long, long
> overdue project, the flying car.
Bret Ludwig - 20 Apr 2006 20:34 GMT
>>..Yet some more pie in the sky Bullsh!t, representative of his fifties
era 'Popular Mechanics' Simple Simon mentality.
Go to a library and check some of the 50 year old Pop Mechs..
AmphiCar
The Fly-in Subdivision.. taxi your Piper to your house
The ubiquitous Jeep; unhook the plow, go get groceries and pick up
Junior
from Band Practice.
And we note that none of the wonderful combo-vehicles has EVER made it
to
the point where they're commercially viable.
One MAIN reason... increasingly stringent FAA safety certification
requirements.<<
Aviat got their Husky type certified for less than $400K. You can't
get a CAR through DOT and EPA certification-if it has a clean sheet of
paper chassis and driveline-for that.
Got to admit... ol' Nomen has indeed hit on a unique method of
trolling.
Wonder how long it'll take for the staff at the 'home' to capture him
this time.
Or maybe he's REALLY Al Gore... letting his mind run really free....
>>--
Yeh, I'm a Krusty old Geezer, putting up with my 'smartass' is the
price
you pay..DEAL with it! <<
You don't know your a.s from a hole in the ground.
Backyard Mechanic - 21 Apr 2006 00:04 GMT
> You don't know your a.s from a hole in the ground.
Wanna bet? I must have hit a nerve...
heh!

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Backyard Mechanic - 21 Apr 2006 00:03 GMT
> Please give us your source for you opinion that makes you believe our
> war against radical
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>> war, recall the troops and begin investing the money saved into a
>> long, long overdue project, the flying car.
He FEELS it.. Mike, its FEELINGS!

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Socialists....
Frank from Deeetroit - 21 Apr 2006 12:45 GMT
Wow, please explain this, this sentence does does not make sense.
> Please give us your source for you opinion that makes you believe our war
> against radical
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>> recall the troops and begin investing the money saved into a long, long
>> overdue project, the flying car.
Backyard Mechanic - 21 Apr 2006 15:44 GMT
'nuff said!

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David Starr - 22 Apr 2006 23:16 GMT
>'nuff said!
I remember reading that an early, and very brief experiment was fueling an
internal combustion engine with gunpowder. Coal dust would probably be an
acceptable substitute. Emissions might be an issue, though.
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> >'nuff said!
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GM had an experimental engine back in the late '70s that received lump
coal into a hopper and fed it to an onboard pulverize that turned the
coal to dust, where it was injected into an engine and burned as if it
were gasoline. Interest wasn't very high outside of R&D engineering,
since it was believed back then that the world's petroleum reserves
would last for 100s of years (they'd always find more).
Jeff - 23 Apr 2006 23:54 GMT
>> >'nuff said!
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> since it was believed back then that the world's petroleum reserves
> would last for 100s of years (they'd always find more).
You could always power a steam turbine with coal. They used to do that
(Stanley Steamer - but I don't think it was a turbine), but it took a while
to get the engine going.
Jeff