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Motor Trend Brings a Camaro to a “Best Driv er’s Car” Competition

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Jim Higgins - 20 Aug 2009 22:33 GMT
Motor Trend Brings a Camaro to a “Best Driver’s Car” Competition
http://preview.tinyurl.com/ks37ur

VIDEO

Motor Trend has replaced its “best handling car” with a “best driver’s
car” competition. Is this an opening for the Camaro? Not so much. The
new SS model placed dead last in MT’s comparo, which was won by the
Porsche Cayman S. And if you think the Camaro was simply there to serve
muscle car whipping post duty, check out the rave reviews that the
Shelby GT500 picked up. On the other hand, the fastest car around Laguna
Seca, the Corvette ZR1, ended up in 6th place. There’s just no way to
hide the fact that “best driver’s car” will always be a subjective award.

Motor Trend
http://preview.tinyurl.com/loot8p

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80 Knight - 20 Aug 2009 23:35 GMT
> Motor Trend Brings a Camaro to a “Best Driver’s Car” Competition
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ks37ur
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> Motor Trend
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/loot8p

What's wrong JimmyBoy?  Couldn't find any better dirt on GM today?  The
Camaro is hugely popular, can't be built quick enough to keep up with demand
(and that is at one of the highest rated car plants in the world), is
incredibly fuel efficient for such a powerful engine, and is a better
vehicle then anything you could ever dream of owning.  You are getting
pretty sad there JimmyBoy.  And, you can't even answer my questions anymore.
You have officially dropped to a 2 out of a possible 10 on the
Troll-O-Meter.
PerfectReign - 23 Aug 2009 16:16 GMT
>> Motor Trend Brings a Camaro to a “Best Driver’s Car” Competition
>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ks37ur
>>
>> VIDEO
>>
>> Motor Trend has replaced its “best handling car” with a “best
driver’s
>>  car” competition. Is this an opening for the Camaro? Not so much. The
>>  new
>> SS model placed dead last in MT’s comparo, which was won by the
Porsche
>> Cayman S. And if you think the Camaro was simply there to serve muscle
>> car whipping post duty, check out the rave reviews that the Shelby
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> questions anymore. You have officially dropped to a 2 out of a possible
> 10 on the Troll-O-Meter.

ROTFLMAO!

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Canuck57 - 23 Aug 2009 20:34 GMT
>> Motor Trend Brings a Camaro to a "Best Driver's Car" Competition
>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ks37ur
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> anymore. You have officially dropped to a 2 out of a possible 10 on the
> Troll-O-Meter.

What do you get when you add two loos balls 80 Knight and Perfect Reign with
a GM shaft?

A real prick.
Jim Higgins - 24 Aug 2009 14:46 GMT
>>> Motor Trend Brings a Camaro to a "Best Driver's Car" Competition
>>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ks37ur
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>
> A real prick.

That just hates being in a KF

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80 Knight - 24 Aug 2009 15:17 GMT
>>>> Motor Trend Brings a Camaro to a "Best Driver's Car" Competition
>>>> http://preview.tinyurl.com/ks37ur
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>>
> That just hates being in a KF

You haven't killfiled anyone JimmyBoy, and you know it.  You are the group
chew-toy, and you read everything I say.  Did you enjoy your weekend with
your wife? LOL
John S. - 24 Aug 2009 12:45 GMT
> > Motor Trend Brings a Camaro to a “Best Driver’s Car” Competition
> >http://preview.tinyurl.com/ks37ur
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
> You have officially dropped to a 2 out of a possible 10 on the
> Troll-O-Meter.

I agree!

I LOVE my new Camaro... and I don't give a crap what any of the
reviewer/magazines say!  And I'm not a blind Chevy fanboy either
having owned my share of other sports cars....
Mike - 24 Aug 2009 19:52 GMT
When one compares any car to another the first thing they should do is
compare vehicles that have the same equipment and are at around the same
price.

Should a $90,000 car NOT be worth more $40,000 more than a $50,000 car, or
it be worth $20,000 than a $30,000 car?

> "Jim Higgins" <gordian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
> You have officially dropped to a 2 out of a possible 10 on the
> Troll-O-Meter.

I agree!

I LOVE my new Camaro... and I don't give a crap what any of the
reviewer/magazines say!  And I'm not a blind Chevy fanboy either
having owned my share of other sports cars....
Canuck57 - 24 Aug 2009 21:27 GMT
> When one compares any car to another the first thing they should do is
> compare vehicles that have the same equipment and are at around the same
> price.
>
> Should a $90,000 car NOT be worth more $40,000 more than a $50,000 car, or
> it be worth $20,000 than a $30,000 car?

I also include reputation, hey, if they screw other people they may get
around to you.  GM fails this one.

Ditto waranty.  If it is really so good, why not 6 years and 100,000 miles
for full drive train?  Because it isn't so good.  In fact you can buy such a
waranty at extra charge, which is a good indicator of how many problems to
expect.

If I got the same equipment on a GM, it was clearly a price loser.  Saw a
Chrysler add for a 300 the other day, $6000 off, then looked up the sticker,
like GM a grossly over priced piece of crap.  Looks to me like GM & Chrysler
are price jacking, up the price $10K and then $5K off.  Sucker bait.

Better off to buy the Toyota Tundra, they will be around in 10 years.
Another consideration.

>> "Jim Higgins" <gordian...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
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> reviewer/magazines say!  And I'm not a blind Chevy fanboy either
> having owned my share of other sports cars....
Mike - 24 Aug 2009 22:51 GMT
Perhaps, but the fact is it costs 205 to 30% more to drive home a Jap
vehicle than a domestics if the same size and with the same equipment.   you
can buy a Tundra if you chose, it's your money.

Far more buyer are choosing Ford and GM trucks however.

>> When one compares any car to another the first thing they should do is
>> compare vehicles that have the same equipment and are at around the same
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>> reviewer/magazines say!  And I'm not a blind Chevy fanboy either
>> having owned my share of other sports cars....
Dave - 25 Aug 2009 02:16 GMT
>> When one compares any car to another the first thing they should do is
>> compare vehicles that have the same equipment and are at around the same
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> Better off to buy the Toyota Tundra, they will be around in 10 years.
> Another consideration.

And they will all still be brand new since Toyota can't seem to be able to
give them away.
hls - 25 Aug 2009 02:59 GMT
"Dave" <hairy411@hotmail.com> wrote in message

> And they will all still be brand new since Toyota can't seem to be able to
> give them away.

You are full of it...The Tundra sells very well here.  And I have talked
with
a number of owners who are very satisfied with them.
80 Knight - 25 Aug 2009 06:10 GMT
> "Dave" <hairy411@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
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> with
> a number of owners who are very satisfied with them.

You live in a minority then HLS.  Check out the stats.  "Dave" is totally
right, Toyota can barley give them away.  While Ford moved 215,959 F-Series
trucks, and GM moved 177,566 Silverado's, and 60,532 Sierra's (same truck),
and Dodge moved 112,239 Ram's, Toyota has moved a wimpy 42,419 death-trap
Tundra's.  As for the Nissan Titan, they are doing even worse, with only
10,271.  I'll give Toyota credit with some cars, but there trucks are
complete garbage, and most know that.

http://news.pickuptrucks.com/2009/08/july-2009-top-10-truck-sales.html
Mike - 25 Aug 2009 17:58 GMT
Perhaps but they are selling at a rate of less than 5% of US truck sales.

As to owners being satisfied with them, you might do a search of the number
of serious recalls.

> "Dave" <hairy411@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>
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> with
> a number of owners who are very satisfied with them.
Mike - 25 Aug 2009 17:59 GMT
One might note that ten years is not a long life for a truck.  ;)

>>> When one compares any car to another the first thing they should do is
>>> compare vehicles that have the same equipment and are at around the same
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> And they will all still be brand new since Toyota can't seem to be able to
> give them away.
 
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