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Car Forum / GMC Cars / December 2004

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Auto Leveling System Stuck - Help!

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VHarris001 - 10 Jan 2004 22:27 GMT
On this Chevy Venture van, the rear air shocks pumped themselves up while the
vehicle was being driven.  They are now fully pumped up and won't come back
down.

With the ignition on, I can occasionally hear what sounds like a valve start to
release air, but then a pump kicks on which, I assume, reinflates the shocks.

I've looked thoroughly on the interior of the van and can't seem to find an air
shock release valve (there is an air inflation valve for the pump, but that
does not seem to release any air from the shocks).

The weather is very cold (about 0 deg F.) and I'm wondering if perhaps a
pressure sensor or something has frozen?

I'm not at all familiar with the system, and I'm hoping someone has experience
with this problem and knows what to do to fix it.  Is there a diagram somewhere
that shows the layout of the system, etc?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

VHarris
VHarris001 - 10 Jan 2004 23:13 GMT
OOPS, I forgot to put the year.

It is a 1999 Chevy Venture with the "Electronic Level Control" (ELC) Option.

Thanx

VHarris
Bon?ne?ville - 10 Jan 2004 23:52 GMT
> OOPS, I forgot to put the year.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> VHarris

Check this:
Auto Level Control (ALC) Sensor - Mounted to rear crossmember, above
rear axle

Its a little box with an arm and linkage coming off of it. See if it
came off and got stuck upwards. I'm guessing the winter weather and snow
might have something to do with this. Back into any snowbanks lately?
VHarris001 - 11 Jan 2004 18:07 GMT
>From: Bon·ne·ville sp@m.b.gone
>Date: 2004-01-10 6:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
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>came off and got stuck upwards. I'm guessing the winter weather and snow
>might have something to do with this. Back into any snowbanks lately?

Thanks!  The sensor was the problem.  The linkage snapped at the place it
connects onto the arm of the sensor, and the arm was stuck in the "up"
position.  I pulled the arm down and the air released from the shocks.

By looking at it, I can probably replace the linkage myself.  But do you know
if the linkage is a fixed length, or does it require adjustment?  Can the
adjustment be done by a shadetree mechanic, or does it need to be done by a
dealer?  Where can I get instructions on how to do the adjustment?

Thanks again,
VHarris
Bon?ne?ville - 11 Jan 2004 23:28 GMT
> >From: Bon·ne·ville sp@m.b.gone
> >Date: 2004-01-10 6:52 PM Eastern Standard Time
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> Thanks again,
> VHarris

I'm not sure what the length of it was or if its adjustable. Sorry. I
would take a measurement off of another one and make one that way. Put
enough threads on the linkage and you can always go back and tweak it.
VHarris001 - 13 Jan 2004 01:47 GMT
>> >> It is a 1999 Chevy Venture with the "Electronic Level Control" (ELC)
>> >Option.

I got from a dealer the link that goes between the Electronic Level Control
Sensor and the rear axle housing.  It is of fixed-length (not adjustable), with
small ball-joint sockets on both ends.  I would have guessed it would have come
with the threaded ball ends already in place, but it didn't.

There are no instructions on how to separate the old link sockets from the
balls, or how to press on the new link sockets onto the existing balls.

Does anyone know if I can just pry off the old, broken link sockets and use
vice-grips to press on the new link sockets?  Or is there a "special tool" to
remove the old ball sockets and another "special tool" to press on the new
sockets?

And can the R & R be done on the vehicle, or do I need to remove the ball ends
from the vehicle to press on the link?

Does anyone know if a lubricant needs to be put in the socket before it is
pressed on the ball?

I'd hate to botch up the new link installation.

If anyone has a parts or service manual, it is part no. 22153604.

TIA

VHarris
VHarris001 - 15 Jan 2004 16:00 GMT
FYI - update of the installation of a sensor link for the "Electronic Level
Control" system on a 1999 Chevrolet Venture.

Block the vehicle up before working underneath it.  If air is in the shocks,
moving the sensor can release air and unexpectedly let the vehicle settle down.

The link part is actually GM# 22153552, not the number I incorrectly posted
previously.  GM's price is $25.12 plus tax.

The link does not come with installation instructions, but it does include a
diagram of the correct orientation of the link to the sensor arm, so you won't
install the part with the arm in the wrong position.

The ball sockets at both ends of the link are plastic.  The link snapped at the
place where the plastic is thinnest, right at the place where the ball socket
narrows and is formed around the metal bar connecting the two sockets.

Other than the break, there was no visible damage to the old link or the
sensor, and the sensor arm moves freely up and down.  It was likely just a
fatigue failure, contributed to by the very cold weather.

Using needle-nose pliars, I was able to easily pry the old plastic ball sockets
off the metal ball ends without removing them from the vehicle.  When working
on the sensor, be careful to pry against the end of the arm.  Don't apply force
on the arm which can be transferred down the arm to the sensor.  Also be
careful not to damage the surface of the ball ends with the teeth of the
pliers.

I used vice-grips to gently squeeze the new ball sockets onto the ball ends.
Be careful to align the socket with the ball to minimize the amount of force
required to press the socket on.

Thanks Bon·ne·ville for correctly diagnosing this problem for me.

VHarris
BrianColgate - 28 Dec 2004 06:00 GMT
Thanks to both VHarris and Bon?ne?ville for all of these leads.  I have a
low mileage 1998 Pontiac Trans Sport, with a bunch of add-ons, recently
purchased from our recently widowed aunt ... it is much more than she now
needs, and she downsized.  However, there have been a few minor
irritations that are a result of poor maintenance on the part of her
dealer, who had the van in regularly, and charged her some outrageous
maintenance costs.  It recently refused to start, and when I got the
cables off the battery, it was a wonder it got me home, from the amount of
corrosion between the connectors and the battery!  :^(  However, I digress
..

My son borrowed the van this morning to visit his uncle, and bring home a
lawn chair that his uncle had made for us for Christmas.  When he arrived
there he called to tell me that the car was riding very roughly, and the
slightest bump nearly put him out of his seat.  Oh, yes, and there's this
constant pump noise in the back end ... don't know what that is.

I knew what the pumping noise was, and had him pull the #4 fuse block to
turn it off [along with the power seat controls and the rear window
defroster ... go figure!]

I'm driving over tomorrow morning (an hour and a half away) to recover the
van, and I feel certain from your postings that you've already given me the
answer to the problem.  If I can release it alright, I'll bring it home
here to where I am blessed by an independent, honest mechanic!!! ;^)

All blessings to you both,
Brian Colgate
Napanee ON Canada
2004 12 28
 
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