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Car Forum / GMC Cars / March 2005GM might kill off Pontiac or Buick
DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp., which issued a shock profit warning last week and has been losing market share, may phase out one of its weaker car brands if sales fail to meet projections, company Vice Chairman Bob Lutz said on Wednesday. GM's Buick and Pontiac are both "damaged brands" due to lack of investment over the years, and GM is working to correct that with an array of new vehicles coming to market, Lutz told a Morgan Stanley automotive conference in New York. http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2005032315440002961051&dt=20050 323154400&w=RTR&coview= > DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp., which issued a shock profit > warning last week and has been losing market share, may phase out one of its [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > vehicles coming to market, Lutz told a Morgan Stanley automotive conference > in New York. http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2005032315440002961051&dt=20050 323154400&w=RTR&coview= bye buick. > bye buick. Really? I think it'll be Pontiac on the chopping block first. > > bye buick. > > Really? I think it'll be Pontiac on the chopping block first. Then again maybe they will get rid of both of them, there really isnt anything that Pontiac has that Chevy doesnt, Except maybe the G6, but that could easily be changed to something else, The Firebird is already gone, the Grand Prix can get swept up into the Impala, the Sunfire is gonna go away pretty soon anyways since the Cavalier is finished as well. Actually maybe the G6 could be made into a base model Cadillac car. >> > bye buick. >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Actually maybe the G6 could be made into a base model Cadillac car. So you're saying bye bye Pontiac Buick, hello Vauxhall/Opel? I wouldn't mind a Vauxhaull VX220 Roadster or Vauxhall Astra 2.0 SRI Turbo as a fun "grocery getter". Leave the store with eggs, arrive home with an omelet. :) Though I wouldn't want to be hit by a vehicle if I was driving one of them. > Then again maybe they will get rid of both of them, there really isnt > anything that Pontiac has that Chevy doesnt, Except maybe the G6, but that [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Actually maybe the G6 could be made into a base model Cadillac car. I think if they got rid of Pontiac that there isn't really anything that they have any more that people would miss. You're right though because all their cars are identical to other ones. >> GM's Buick and Pontiac are both "damaged brands" due to lack of >> investment >> over the years, and GM is working to correct that with an array of new >> vehicles coming to market, Lutz told a Morgan Stanley automotive > conference >> in New York. Saying that sort of thing in public is pretty dumb unless the decision has already been made. People at Lutz's level or not supposed to speculate out loud in public. If I were running GM I would move aggressively to eliminate: GMC .... why have a second line of Chevy trucks? Pontiac .... the same buyers would buy Chevys Buick .... move the low end of the line to Chevy and the upper end into the low end Cadillacs Saturn ... nice idea, but has lost money forever and it's current lineup is not competitive. Give all the current Saturn dealers their choice of a Chevy or Cadillac franchise. Isuzu ... almost dead anyway Keep: Chevrolet ... offer good cars and trucks across the marketplace at value pricing. Basically be another Toyota. Aggressively use Korean base (GM-Daewoo) to compete on price and quality across the board. Cadillac ... near luxury and up vehicles Saab ... European import lineup Subaru ... Japanese and Korean imports John Certainly not good news to hear. One can only wonder what brands we will have ten years from now. Harryface Ø¿Ø 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE 300,718 miles Certainly not good news to hear. One can only wonder what brands we will have ten years from now. Toyota Motor Corp. Harryface ??? 1991 Pontiac Bonneville LE 300,718 miles > DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp., which issued a shock profit > warning last week and has been losing market share, may phase out one of its [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > GM's Buick and Pontiac are both "damaged brands" due to lack of investment > over the years, Make that Pontiac. Buick is their bread and butter upper middle class line, and Chevy their trucks. Pontiac kind of is a 1-2 vehicle show. No big loss. An optimal restructuring would be: Cadillac - largely unchanged. Buick - Remains as is, though it drops the largest SUVs. All SUVs and vans are now GMC. All GMC SUVs get the same trim options as the Buicks(ie - nameplate change only and/or upgraded trim) Chevrolet is completely trucks, plus the Corvette and GTO as exceptions. All economy cars are put off into a fifth brand. Since they all are mostly Daewoos to begin with, I suggest maybe bringing back the Geo brand. This would get rid of dozens of overlapping vehicles. > Make that Pontiac. Buick is their bread and butter upper middle > class line, and Chevy their trucks. Pontiac kind of is a 1-2 [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > This would get rid of dozens of overlapping vehicles. A Chevy GTO? I don't think so! > A Chevy GTO? I don't think so! So call it a Pontiac GTO, though it'll be the only "Pontiac" in their entire lineup. >> "Joseph Oberlander" ><snip> Do you feel that is the most prudent fake mail address name to use? >>>"Joseph Oberlander" >> >><snip> > > Do you feel that is the most prudent fake mail address name to use? My whitelist spam filter works fine. Blacklist types are doomed to fail, but I get maybe one a month in my inbox that isn't legitimate with a setup like this. No need to fake my email address. Isn't technology great? > > Make that Pontiac. Buick is their bread and butter upper middle > > class line, and Chevy their trucks. Pontiac kind of is a 1-2 [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > A Chevy GTO? I don't think so! Face it GTO has been dead for over 30 years. > Face it GTO has been dead for over 30 years. A real GTO would be a 450ci or so V8 with about 600hp. It would purposely be way WAY more car than most people can handle, kind of like how the Viper is. Instead we get the current "GTO". Sigh. > A real GTO would be a 450ci or so V8 with about 600hp. > It would purposely be way WAY more car than most people > can handle, kind of like how the Viper is. > > Instead we get the current "GTO". Sigh. No, a "real" GTO is a plain Jane "Mom's" car with a big motor stuffed in. First GTO was a Tempest with a 389 in it. No show, all go. Today's is the same, plain Jane car with a healthy motor in it. First glance it looks like a Cavalier, a non threatening car, step on the gas and it's a weapon. Seats 4 and goes like hell, that's the GTO tradition. I miss my '68  SignatureJohn "anything you say can & will be misquoted & used against you" '01 FLHR ''Red" '04 MXZ 600ho '99 XC700 BRC mem > > A real GTO would be a 450ci or so V8 with about 600hp. > > It would purposely be way WAY more car than most people [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > '99 XC700 > BRC mem Even a 64 Tempest had a tuff aggressive brawny look than todays Australian GTO. No wonder GM is hurting, they cant even come up with a body style designed on American soil. What does that do for consumer confidence? >>A real GTO would be a 450ci or so V8 with about 600hp. >>It would purposely be way WAY more car than most people [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > No, a "real" GTO is a plain Jane "Mom's" car with a big motor stuffed in. > First GTO was a Tempest with a 389 in it. No show, all go. Note, I didn't say about the looks. :) It could be a Buick Regal type car looks-wise for all we care - it just needs to go like stink and have RWD. > DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp., > > GM's Buick and Pontiac are both "damaged brands" > snip >>> Seems to me, GM should phase out all brands, and simply call the cars GM Days of four different 350 engines are over. Inter - Corperating would trim fat, lower cost, and speed fresh designs. My opinion anyway. I'd like to see * at least * a GM engine with GM on the valve cover [ s ] I think they should kill off management > DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp., which issued a shock profit > warning last week and has been losing market share, may phase out one of its [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > vehicles coming to market, Lutz told a Morgan Stanley automotive conference > in New York. http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2005032315440002961051&dt=20050 323154400&w=RTR&coview= I suspect Cadilac, buick, pontiac and Chevy will be killed. Once gone GM will come back and buy Toyota. After 10 or so years do to bad management Toyota will be hurting, again GM will axe Toyota, then return again to buy out Nissan, buy 2060 Nissan will be in trouble, GM will then axe Nissan only this time top come back and Buy Honda, finally GM will be back on top with very littly competition from the Japanese. > DETROIT (Reuters) - General Motors Corp., which issued a shock profit > warning last week and has been losing market share, may phase out one of its [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > vehicles coming to market, Lutz told a Morgan Stanley automotive conference > in New York. http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2005032315440002961051&dt=20050 323154400&w=RTR&coview= > I suspect Cadilac, buick, pontiac and Chevy will be killed. Once gone GM > will come back and buy Toyota. After 10 or so years do to bad management [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > conference > > in New York. http://cnn.netscape.cnn.com/ns/news/story.jsp?id=2005032315440002961051&dt=2 0050323154400&w=RTR&coview= Hey thats funny...but sad...yet so true. Not too many years ago the pundits had Ford eliminating the Mercury. In 2006 mercury will have three more models that the did at the time of the predicted demise ;) mike hunt > > I suspect Cadilac, buick, pontiac and Chevy will be killed. >I suspect Cadilac, buick, pontiac and Chevy will be killed. Once gone GM >will come back and buy Toyota. After 10 or so years do to bad management [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >very littly competition from the Japanese. ><snip> I like the way you think! with the Japanese out of the way there 'll only be the Europeans left... Oh and the Koreans..... Oh and the fledgling Chinese manufacturers and... GM with Suzuki, Fiat Daewoo Saab, etc, etc, etc. That plan has worked flawlessly to this point. or not......... |
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