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Car Forum / GMC Cars / July 2005

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Replaced Starter in 1984 Cutlass Supreme; Now makes noise...

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1984CutlassSupreme - 19 Jul 2005 05:37 GMT
The starter on my 1984 Cutlass (V6 3.8L) died and I just replaced it
with a new/rebuilt starter.  The first 5 or 6 cranks were perfect but
now it makes the same noise that it would make if you start a car
that’s already started each time I crank it.  Does this sound like a
loose starter?  or a problem with the flywheel? It never made any
noise with the previous starter, it just began cranking slowly and
eventually did nothing at all.  Any tips would greatly be appreciated,
thanks!

http://www.djsuggablack.com/cutlass3.jpg
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Shakes73 - 19 Jul 2005 05:37 GMT
> The starter on my 1984 Cutlass (V6 3.8L) died and I just
> replaced it with a new/rebuilt starter.  The first 5 or 6
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> [img:3cfa6a9795]http://www.djsuggablack.com/cutlass3.jpg[/img:3cfa6a9795]
> [img:3cfa6a9795]http://www.djsuggablack.com/cutlass2.jpg[/img:3cfa6a9795]

Might have to add a starter shim to it,the starter drive maybe to
close to the flywheel.Usually when you buy a starter it comes with
shims that are different thickness.Also take your dust cover down and
check for bad teeth on the flywheel.
Al Bundy - 19 Jul 2005 21:50 GMT
Maybe it's just me, but I never bought a GM starter with shims
included. If the starter is machined wrongly it's cheap enough for them
not to  bother with shims. The shims are used to correct for block
machining. When the old starter is removed you need to be aware if
there are shims there and replace them. If you lost them you will need
to buy some. Maybe somebody previous to the OP lost them and that's why
he also had the sound with the previous starter.
Most likely though the OP has problems with those flywheel teeth in one
area of the circumferance. Until he engages at that bad part he doesn't
hear the noise. Eventually he will be buying a flywheel and starter. If
the teeth are inspected now one by one and all burrs removed, he might
go happily on his way. And the new starter drive may already be
damaged, but probably not. I wouldn't be starting it until I inspected
it.
MegroeG - 24 Jul 2005 17:03 GMT
look and see if the ring gear is chewed up  Did you put in the right amount
of shims or just got a bad rebuilt
1984CutlassSupreme - 24 Jul 2005 22:35 GMT
"" wrote:
> look and see if the ring gear is chewed up  Did you put in the
> right amount
> of shims or just got a bad rebuilt

the starter that died had no shims and the rebuilt one i purchased
didn’t come with any shims either...it’s a Palladium from Advanced
Auto Parts, ran about $57 before core deduction.  so it’s a
possibility it’s a bad rebuilt?   I keep thinking maybe the bolts
werent tightened enough because my dad was the one physically removing
the dead starter and installing the rebuilt....and he pretty much has
no knowledge of cars lol....he drives an ’05 Focus so that should tell
u something.
 
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