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Car Forum / GMC Cars / August 2005

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Lowell Cummings - 01 Aug 2005 08:30 GMT
Hi all

My daughter's 95 Cavalier makes a banging sound in the rear right of the
suspension. I drove over a series of the type speed bump that they remove in the
winter for snow plowing. There are gaps in the way they are laid out across the
road which will allow you a smooth path for either your right side wheels or
your left side wheels depending on the path you choose.

All that to say the bumps allow you to accurately tell right from left and front
from rear so I do know exactly where the noise comes from.

So ..... she intends to give the car away to a person who needs a car rather
then use it as a trade for her next car. And because the recipient is more a
friend of mine then hers I would like to replace the strut and I would like to
do it myself to keep the cost down.

Now in my younger days I removed lots an lots of shocks but I am wondering
what's involved in replacing a strut. ( I am among the dying breed that still
knows what a $2.00 tire is.)

Can someone do a paint by numbers of what is involved on swapping out the strut
for me.

Thanks all!
Steve Mackie - 01 Aug 2005 18:47 GMT
Sounds like you should pick up a Haynes manual. Cheap and highly effective
for someone like yourself. Replacing a strut can easily be done in the
driveway in a couple of hours.

Steve

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> Thanks all!
shiden_kai - 01 Aug 2005 20:50 GMT
> All that to say the bumps allow you to accurately tell right from
> left and front from rear so I do know exactly where the noise comes
> from.

On these vehicles, it's usually the upper strut mount that makes
the noise.  I have run across some that also have a noisy strut,
but the majority of the time it's the upper mount.  Almost every
older J body car that comes in the shop exhibits this noise if it
hasn't already been fixed.

The rear struts are easy on these cars, two nuts at the top, one
bolt at the bottom, support the vehicle by the body, slide the
strut assembly out.  The spring tension is so low that you can
remove and install the spring without a compressor.  But don't
take my word for that, use something to hold the spring in place
when you remove the strut shaft nut.  Once it's apart, you will
see how little tension there is.

Ian
Lowell Cummings - 01 Aug 2005 22:08 GMT
Thanks Ian

I have a set of spring compressors so the spring should be no problem. Not quite
sure what's going on with this strut mount. I can only assume that the strut
mount bolts to the body and the strut bolts to the strut mount. In any case I'll
see when I get in there.

Thanks again
Lowell

PS ,,,,, thanks also to Steve!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

> > All that to say the bumps allow you to accurately tell right from
> > left and front from rear so I do know exactly where the noise comes
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> Ian
shiden_kai - 02 Aug 2005 02:22 GMT
> I have a set of spring compressors so the spring should be no
> problem. Not quite sure what's going on with this strut mount. I can
> only assume that the strut mount bolts to the body and the strut
> bolts to the strut mount. In any case I'll see when I get in there.

You are correct.  I'd just hate to see you put a strut in there and
have the same noise.  Of course, the opposite can happen too,
you put the mount in only, and the noise turns out to be the
strut.  Often, you can actually see where the top strut mount
has broken or cracked around where the strut shaft comes up
thru the mount.

Ian
Lowell Cummings - 02 Aug 2005 04:17 GMT
> > I have a set of spring compressors so the spring should be no
> > problem. Not quite sure what's going on with this strut mount. I can
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> Ian

Shoot!! I can understand the operating component (the strut) failing after
negotiating a gazillion bumps but having a piece of attachment hardware fail
does not speak well of the engineering that went into the system.

Thanks again Ian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Shep - 02 Aug 2005 21:32 GMT
Gee a 10 year old car cannot have a failed part!!!

>> > I have a set of spring compressors so the spring should be no
>> > problem. Not quite sure what's going on with this strut mount. I can
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> Thanks again Ian!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
shiden_kai - 02 Aug 2005 23:50 GMT
> Gee a 10 year old car cannot have a failed part!!!

Yeah, but you know as well as I do that these rear
strut mounts failed well before 10 years....like within
the first year on many of those cars from that era.

On the other hand, your point is well taken, you have
to replace some struts or upper mounts after 10 years,
you aren't doing too bad.

Ian
Lowell Cummings - 03 Aug 2005 00:17 GMT
> > Gee a 10 year old car cannot have a failed part!!!
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> Ian

Thanks Ian

The little car owes us nothing. Between both my daughter and I, we've owned
three Cavaliers and except for replacing heads they were great little machines.
Most big cars depreciate more then the full value of a Cavalier on the day you
buy them. So they are pretty reasonable transportation. Basic, but reasonable!

Lowell
Lowell Cummings - 03 Aug 2005 00:03 GMT
I am driving a 79 Chev 9 passenger G20 window van w 350 engine ($8500 new) and it has
never failed me. Not one of the shock mounts ever broke. Shocks yes, and it did need a
cam shaft but they were all components that functioned and were subject to wear
movement. I just did not expect something like a mount to fail.

But you are right. sh.t happens.

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shiden_kai - 03 Aug 2005 00:36 GMT
> I am driving a 79 Chev 9 passenger G20 window van w 350 engine ($8500
> new) and it has never failed me. Not one of the shock mounts ever
> broke. Shocks yes, and it did need a cam shaft but they were all
> components that functioned and were subject to wear movement. I just
> did not expect something like a mount to fail.

Of course, a "shock mount" on a 79 Chev van is completely
different from a "upper strut mount" on a 95 Cavalier.  One is
metal with the shock itself having the bushing at one end or the
other or both ends, the other is a rubber bushing the serves the
purpose as both the rubber bushing for the strut shaft, and as
a place for the rear spring to be seated.

Ian
Lowell Cummings - 03 Aug 2005 01:09 GMT
> > I am driving a 79 Chev 9 passenger G20 window van w 350 engine ($8500
> > new) and it has never failed me. Not one of the shock mounts ever
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> Ian

Hi again Ian

I didn't quite get that, but no harm.

All I know about the strut mount is what you've told me. IE:
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> I have a set of spring compressors so the spring should be no
> problem. Not quite sure what's going on with this strut mount. I can
> only assume that the strut mount bolts to the body and the strut
> bolts to the strut mount. In any case I'll see when I get in there.

You are correct.  I'd just hate to see you put a strut in there and
have the same noise.  Of course, the opposite can happen too,
you put the mount in only, and the noise turns out to be the
strut.  Often, you can actually see where the top strut mount
has broken or cracked around where the strut shaft comes up
thru the mount.

Ian
Unquote

But again no sweat! I simply made a comment on what I thought I knew and someone
was kind enough to make me eat my words. No harm done. He feels better, and I
will live on.

Will know better once I actually see the part.

Thanks again
Lowell
 
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