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Car Forum / GMC Cars / December 2005Dodge Challenger
Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely produce as a fail to the Mustang? The thing will sell like crazy with engine options ranging from a V6 to a 425 hp "Hemi". And, Mr. Lutz, what do you have on the showroom floor or at least on the drawing boards to sell to the driving enthusiast who can't swing a Corvette and will not buy the fake GTO Mondeo? Precisely nothing. Oh yeah, you do have the stupid, whatever it's called, fake pickup truck thing with the convertible top that no one wants to buy. Whoever approved that waste of development money ought to be fired immediately if not sooner. If Chrysler does this Challenger right, it may be the replacement for my BMW 330i in a few years. GRL > Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely > produce as a fail to the Mustang? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > GRL I guess you haven't seen the up-coming camero then... >> Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely >> produce as a fail to the Mustang? [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > I guess you haven't seen the up-coming camero then... There bringing back the Camaro? What about the Trans Am? >>>Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely >>>produce as a fail to the Mustang? [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > There bringing back the Camaro? What about the Trans Am? Just got my Hemmings Muscle Machines yesterday, one of the columnists was discussing this. Apparently you're not going to get any hard info, but the buzz is it may be back for '06. nate  Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >>>>Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely >>>>produce as a fail to the Mustang? [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > nate That would make my day. :) >>>I guess you haven't seen the up-coming camero then... >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > discussing this. Apparently you're not going to get any hard info, but > the buzz is it may be back for '06. Hopefully with a 427 in it. Roy > >>>I guess you haven't seen the up-coming camero then... > >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Roy A 427?...I might go for a 427 as long as it uses the same technology as the NorthStar V8 with the 4-6-8 cylinders adjustment allowing me to cruise on just 4 cylinders getting 30 miles per gallon until I step into it. >>>>>I guess you haven't seen the up-coming camero then... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > NorthStar V8 with the 4-6-8 cylinders adjustment allowing me to cruise on > just 4 cylinders getting 30 miles per gallon until I step into it. Wha-a-a-a-t???? Screww the NorthStar engine! You don't like the smallblock 427 in the 2006 Z06 Corvette? It's 505 h.p. and gets over 30 m.p.g. highway if you use 6th gear. > >>>>>I guess you haven't seen the up-coming camero then... > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > smallblock 427 in the 2006 Z06 Corvette? It's 505 h.p. and gets over 30 > m.p.g. highway if you use 6th gear. How many people want to lugging the engine in 6th gear doing 55 or 60 down the highway. 6th gear is probably good at 75+. You really wouldn't drive the new Z06 in 6th gear at 55 or 60 m.p.h. If you did, you don't deserve to own the car. Even at 75 m.p.h., 4th or 5th gear are far more fun! Muhammed Mustafo O'Goldstein Jr wrote: >>>>>I guess you haven't seen the up-coming camero then... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > A 427?...I might go for a 427 as long as it uses the same technology as the > NorthStar V8 with the 4-6-8 cylinders adjustment allowing me to cruise on > just 4 cylinders getting 30 miles per gallon until I step into it. Wha-a-a-a-t???? Screww the NorthStar engine! You don't like the smallblock 427 in the 2006 Z06 Corvette? It's 505 h.p. and gets over 30 m.p.g. highway if you use 6th gear. > Muhammed Mustafo O'Goldstein Jr wrote: > > "Roy" <Roy@home.net> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > smallblock 427 in the 2006 Z06 Corvette? It's 505 h.p. and gets over 30 > m.p.g. highway if you use 6th gear. The CrapStar engine? That thing is only the second real POS from Cadillac, the first was the original 8-6-4. Talk to someone who has had to work on one. No. And I don't recall seeing any indication of such a thing in any of the car books. GM just put a hold on the platform it might have been built on. Existing platforms are too expensive. So...will it be front-wheel drive? - GRL >Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely >produce as a fail to the Mustang? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >GRL Take a look at what's on the drawing board if it's still up and hasn't been removed. http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?viewThread=y&gID=0&fID=0&tID=65937&bottom=20 ...Ron -- 68' Camaro RS 88' Firebird Formula 00' Mustang GT Vert >>Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely >>produce as a fail to the Mustang? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >>drawing boards to sell to the driving enthusiast who can't swing a Corvette >>and will not buy the fake GTO Mondeo? The Mondeo is a Ford product from Europe. The Monaro is the Aussie car the GTO is based on. >>Precisely nothing. Guess you haven't heard about the Camaro coming back. You're right. I keep confusing the names. The Monaro is an extremely good super sports sedan, but it is no GTO. They should have marketed it as what it is instead of calling it what it never could be. > Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely > produce as a fail to the Mustang? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > GRL Why do you hate the GTO so much? My only complaint about it is the price, who cares if it's an Aussie car, it's better than anything GM has come out with here in the US in the last 30 years. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > Why do you hate the GTO so much? My only complaint about it is the price, > who cares if it's an Aussie car, it's better than anything GM has come out > with here in the US in the last 30 years. Especially now that they have added some of the "legacy" GTO elements to the design. I haven't looked at the sales numbers lately. Have they improved this past year? >>Why do you hate the GTO so much? My only complaint about it is the price, >>who cares if it's an Aussie car, it's better than anything GM has come out [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > design. I haven't looked at the sales numbers lately. Have they improved > this past year? I have finally started to see a couple "in the wild" but I don't think we can call this any kind of success, sadly. nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > > Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely > > produce as a fail to the Mustang? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > -- That can be explained in 5 letters U-G-L-E-Y > replace "fly" with "com" to reply. > http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel >>>Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely >>>produce as a fail to the Mustang? [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > That can be explained in 5 letters U-G-L-E-Y I don't think it's ugly, just kind of bland looking... and that's fine by me, I don't really want to look like I'm driving a "hot" car even if I am. No sense attracting the attention of the local constabulary... nate Signaturereplace "fly" with "com" to reply. http://home.comcast.net/~njnagel > Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely > produce as a fail to the Mustang? It will end up with 4 doors and window sills so high that you will have to stretch to see out of the side windows. > Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely > produce as a fail to the Mustang? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > GRL Lutz and all of his leutinants should have been gone a long time ago. > Anyone see the artist drawings of the Challenger that Dodge will likely > produce as a fail to the Mustang? [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > GRL I hope it looks better than Charger. Entirely to much going on in the styling of the charger. Plus it should have been a coupe. Hot rod 4 doors look so silly. Heh, heh, heh! Now seriously, anything but the PT Cruiser looks better! ;-) The Challenger drawings bring back a lot of memories of the early Challengers, right down to the misnomer "Hemi". The originals of course offered a real Hemi option, whereas the modern iteration of the Hemi is, in fact, not a real Hemi. While it has the plugs in the center of the valve covers, the heads themselves do not have hemispherical combustion chambers. It was these hemispherical combustion chambers that gave rise to the shortened "Hemi" moniker. Having gotten that off my chest, the new 5.7 liter Chrysler engine and its derivatives are producing a goodly amount of horsepower and would appear to be a strong performing engine. The GTO was borne from the Holden Monaro, not the Ford Mondeo!!! The "fake pickup truck thing with the convertible top that no one wants to buy" is presumably the Chevy SSR and while you're knocking it, I strongly suspect that you've never driven one. I have yet to meet anyone who has ever driven a muscle car that didn't have some level of appreciation for the SSR. It's not a rocket, but it's fun to drive and catches a lot more attention at automotive gatherings than, oh say the BMW 330i, which looks remarkably similar to a VW Passat. At least a Passat has 280 h.p. available, compared to a relatively anaemic 255 h.p. in the 330i. Which brings us to your last point GRL, no offense intended, but it would seem a little, shall we say "out of profile" for someone driving a yuppymobile to hop behind the wheel of a muscle car, with 170 more h.p. With all due respect GRL, I'd have to suggest that you're not ready for a muscle car. I'd strongly suggest that you work your way up to it, with say a Passat being more appropriate for your next h.p. step up. |
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