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Car Forum / GMC Cars / January 2006

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Ignition trouble

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chrisg - 01 Jan 2006 23:22 GMT
I'm not a mechanic and often my curiosity gets the best of me. I'm having ignition trouble with my 40 chev coupe. After installing a chrome cover for the ignition coil, I noticed that I had inadvertantly pulled apart a wire that came off the negative terminal of the coil going to a wire block mounted on the fire wall. After repairing the wire - the vehicle will not fire now. (turns over fine but won't fire). I've tried using a tester and when ignition is on (not cranking) the light goes on when touched to the positive and the negative terminal (each tried seperately). There is also power to the wire block on the firewall.

Does anyone have any ideas how I can fix this problem or determine exactly what went wrong?  My automotive knowledge is limited so please "dumb it down" for me..

Chris

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Ed - 02 Jan 2006 15:54 GMT

Chris,

Pull the secondary wire from the coil (the one going to the center of
the distributor) and hold it close to the engine while a helper tries
to
start the engine. If it doesen't give a strong spark the problem is
ignition. Most likely, the repair you did to the wire is at fault.
Also
check that coil cover. IOW, retrace the steps taken right before
it failed.

Ed

> I'm not a mechanic and often my curiosity gets the best of me. I'm
> having ignition trouble with my 40 chev coupe. After installing a
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>
> Chrisg
chrisg - 02 Jan 2006 16:51 GMT
I'm just wondering now - what is typically connected to the negative terminal on the coil. There are currently two wire comming from the negative terminal, one goes directly through the firewall (wondering if this goes to the tach or not) - and the other (the one that broke) goes to a wire block mounted on the firewall - not sure where or what that is for

Chri

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Cool Jet - 02 Jan 2006 17:50 GMT
> I'm not a mechanic and often my curiosity gets the best of me. I'm having ignition trouble with my 40 chev coupe. After installing a chrome cover for the ignition coil, I noticed that I had inadvertantly pulled apart a wire that came off the negative terminal of the coil going to a wire block mounted on the fire wall. After repairing the wire - the vehicle will not fire now. (turns over fine but won't fire). I've tried using a tester and when ignition is on (not cranking) the light goes on when touched to the positive and the negative terminal (each tried seperately). There is also power to the wire block on the firewall.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas how I can fix this problem or determine exactly what went wrong?  My automotive knowledge is limited so please "dumb it down" for me...
>
> Chrisg

Chris, I'm going to make an assumption that what you refer to as "a
wire block mounted on the firewall" is your cars ballast resistor. A
ballast resistor is in the primary ignition circuit and lowers voltage
after the engine is started to reduce wear on ignition components. The
ballast resistor is usually made of porcelain or bakelite. From
experience, I've learned that the wire coil can break without it being
readily noticeable. I'd suggest that you simply replace your resistor.
They are available at most automotive retailers and generally cost less
than $ 10.00. Take the old one in with you.
The Adams Family - 03 Jan 2006 01:18 GMT
To answer your questions further, the - side of the coil should be going to
the distributor. The + side of the coil should be going to the ballast
resister (possibly block on firewall), also there should be a wire coming
from the starter solenoid to that same + side. The one coming from the
starter solenoid could have been substituted as one going to the starter
terminal on ignition switch. I take it this is a Rod of some sort and it
could have been wired up different ways. All in all the coil should have 12
volt power when the engine is being cranked over then reduced through the
ballast resister when in the run position. This should always go to the +
side of coil and - side always goes to the distributor (points). Hope this
mess of writing helps.

>> I'm not a mechanic and often my curiosity gets the best of me. I'm having
>> ignition trouble with my 40 chev coupe. After installing a chrome cover
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> They are available at most automotive retailers and generally cost less
> than $ 10.00. Take the old one in with you.
Mike Marlow - 03 Jan 2006 02:32 GMT
> To answer your questions further, the - side of the coil should be going to
> the distributor. The + side of the coil should be going to the ballast
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> side of coil and - side always goes to the distributor (points). Hope this
> mess of writing helps.

Let me add to this that the wire going to the distributor can't be grounded.
Make sure when you rewired it you did not allow it to inadvertently ground
out.  The coil needs to see it's ground via the points and if you've created
a short to ground by mistake you'll never get the field build/collapse that
you need to fire the plugs.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

chrisg - 06 Jan 2006 02:57 GMT
Thanks everyone. The problem was the wire from the distributor to the negative terminal on the coil was broken and I didn't realize this until being advised that it should be a wire to the distributor. Problem has been corrected and she fires up like a dream

Chri

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