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Mike Copeland - 11 Jan 2006 15:07 GMT I am curious as to the reputations of the late model impalas? I am considering getting one of the 9C1 cars out there. What should I look out for? What are the common problems? Also, is the new "Displacement on Demand" system worth a crap?
Thx Mike
gosinn@gmail.com - 11 Jan 2006 15:51 GMT Using google search on impala 9C1 problem gave 26.500 answers
Mike Copeland - 11 Jan 2006 17:57 GMT > Using google search on > impala 9C1 problem > gave 26.500 answers Noted, that is why I am asking here. In a newsgroup people can share information. There are also some people here that are in the GM car business that may have some insight. Thx for your input though, it was helpful.
gosinn@gmail.com - 12 Jan 2006 10:17 GMT Here is a site with interesting info
http://auto-recalls.justia.com/CHEVROLET-IMPALA.html
Cool Jet - 11 Jan 2006 19:25 GMT > Using google search on > impala 9C1 problem > gave 26.500 answers Using Google Search on "Icelandic Trolls" I came up with 38,700 links! See for yourself:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Icelandic+trolls&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
Furthermore, if you do a Google Search on "gosinn@gmail.com", you get 90 hits, a lot of them being his rants to "Global News", almost all of which advocate a Chinese takeover of the United States! This guy is clearly a nutbar! Here's a link to the Google on this fool:
http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=gosinn@gmail.com&btnG=Search&meta=
It just might be time to "killfile" this anti-U.S. insurgent!
Cool Jet - 12 Jan 2006 05:20 GMT > Furthermore, if you do a Google Search on "gosinn@gmail.com", you get > 90 hits, a lot of them being his rants to "Global News", almost all of > which advocate a Chinese takeover of the United States! This guy is > clearly a nutbar! Here's a link to the Google on this fool: The link that I provided on gosinn was incomplete. Just do a Google search on him, using the "gosinn" name, followed by "@gmail.com". He is clearly advocating a physical Chinese takeover of the U.S.
Mike Copeland - 12 Jan 2006 13:59 GMT >>Furthermore, if you do a Google Search on "gosinn@gmail.com", you get >>90 hits, a lot of them being his rants to "Global News", almost all of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > search on him, using the "gosinn" name, followed by "@gmail.com". He > is clearly advocating a physical Chinese takeover of the U.S. I won't waste my time. I'm still looking for info on the new Impalas though :)
gosinn@gmail.com - 12 Jan 2006 15:34 GMT "the problem with how Chevrolet makes its cars is that while the '06 Impala is as good as the current Camry, it will almost certainly not be as good as the next generation Camry. I'm having a hard time seeing how Chevy will re-assert its position of top dog if they'll always be one step behind the competition. It is reassuring, however, they can build a car as good as Toyota. That wasn't always the case.
Another issue with Chevy's design ideology is that consumers aren't willing to pay the same price for its older design when compared to the industry leader. It's the main problem with the 2006 Impala: its price when compared to the Camry.
While this Impala is the best Impala ever, it's... dull. A young female neighbor opined the Impala's "too old" for her."
Cool Jet - 12 Jan 2006 20:01 GMT > snip > While this Impala is the best Impala ever, it's... dull. A young female > neighbor opined the Impala's "too old" for her." Björn, your opinion is of little value to me because you are doing what you do best - plagiarizing the opinions of others. Have you driven the '06 Impala? I thought not. Have you even seen an '06 Impala in person? There can't be a lot of them in Kopavogur, Iceland. Since your arrival in the GM news group, you have seized every opportunity to troll. Your anti-American rants in the "Global News" forum pretty well sum up your motives.
Mike Hunter - 12 Jan 2006 20:36 GMT The Chevrolet division of GM did 're-assert its position of top dog' in 2005 by out selling FMCs Ford division for the first time in 19 years that Ford was the number one selling brand in the US. Contrary to what Toyota would have us believe, Chevrolet is now the best selling car brand in the US. ;)
PS The average age of Camry buyers in 2005 was 44 years old, according to a report in 'Automotive News'
mike hunt
> "the problem with how Chevrolet makes its cars is that while the '06 > Impala is as good as the current Camry, it will almost certainly not be [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > While this Impala is the best Impala ever, it's... dull. A young female > neighbor opined the Impala's "too old" for her." Spam Hater - 12 Jan 2006 21:06 GMT > The Chevrolet division of GM did 're-assert its position of top dog' in 2005 > by out selling FMCs Ford division for the first time in 19 years that Ford > was the number one selling brand in the US. Contrary to what Toyota would > have us believe, Chevrolet is now the best selling car brand in the US. > ;) Is the top seller the best car or even the best buy? Not very likely as most buyers buy on price.
> PS The average age of Camry buyers in 2005 was 44 years old, according to > a report in 'Automotive News' Is it bad that Camry buyers are 44 yrs old. I'd say it indicates the car mature experienced buyers chose.
Mike Hunter - 13 Jan 2006 02:55 GMT You ask is the top seller the best car or even the best buy? I don't know you tell me. Is that what you think makes the Camry is the best selling car in the US ;)
The wisdom that comes with age? You mean like the Grand Marquis being the best selling car in Florida and Arizona
mike hunt
>> The Chevrolet division of GM did 're-assert its position of top dog' in >> 2005 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> to >> a report in 'Automotive News'
> Is it bad that Camry buyers are 44 yrs old. I'd say it indicates the > car mature experienced buyers chose. ?
Cool Jet - 12 Jan 2006 19:15 GMT > I won't waste my time. I'm still looking for info on the new Impalas > though :) Mike, here's a link to a reliable and objective site that has actually tested the new Impala. I think you'll find it to be quite informative.
http://car-reviews.automobile.com/Chevrolet/review/2006-chevrolet-impala-ltz-roa d-test/1526
Mike Copeland - 12 Jan 2006 19:42 GMT >> I won't waste my time. I'm still looking for info on the new Impalas >> though :) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > http://car-reviews.automobile.com/Chevrolet/review/2006-chevrolet-impala-ltz-roa d-test/1526 Thanx. I am curious about the displacement on demand technology in the V8 and the reliability of the trans. I generally dislike auto transmissions so I am wary. But, I see the SS is the only model available with the "Heavy Duty" trans. How is it different? I am also looking for specs on the police 9C1 package.
Cool Jet - 12 Jan 2006 21:03 GMT > Thanx. I am curious about the displacement on demand technology in the > V8 and the reliability of the trans. I generally dislike auto > transmissions so I am wary. But, I see the SS is the only model > available with the "Heavy Duty" trans. How is it different? I am also > looking for specs on the police 9C1 package. Mike, I haven't been able to find any really comprehensive information on DOD technology, but this site is fairly informative:
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2005/10/14/gm-eaton-team-up-for-displacement-on-demand/
The Heavy Duty transmission options are generally designed for greater towing capacity, although I haven't yet seen the specs for either Impala transmission.
Here's a link to an .pdf file with particulars of the 9C1 police package.
http://www.state.nj.us/treasury/purchase/noa/attachments/a0098-2b.pdf
The Ghost of General Lee - 12 Jan 2006 22:53 GMT >>> I won't waste my time. I'm still looking for info on the new Impalas >>> though :) [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >available with the "Heavy Duty" trans. How is it different? I am also >looking for specs on the police 9C1 package. Although it's only anecdotal evidence, I've spoken with a number of cops who now drive Impalas, and every single one of them said they don't like them. They hate the way they handle, and wish they had their old Crown Victorias back.
FWIW.
Mike Copeland - 13 Jan 2006 14:38 GMT >>>> I won't waste my time. I'm still looking for info on the new Impalas >>>> though :) [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > don't like them. They hate the way they handle, and wish they had > their old Crown Victorias back. I'm sure there is gonna a learning curve. Especially switching from rear wheel to front wheel drive. You have to re-train your reactions with lots of practice. High speed handling will be lots different too.
Mike Hunter - 14 Jan 2006 00:50 GMT During the time I owned my fleet service business many of the departments that had bought FWD Chevy and Dodge certified police vehicles, thinking they could save money on the initial price and fuel costs, where switching back to the much better handling and far more durable CV.
mike hunt
>>>>> I won't waste my time. I'm still looking for info on the new Impalas >>>>> though :) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > wheel to front wheel drive. You have to re-train your reactions with lots > of practice. High speed handling will be lots different too. Andy C.(never #) - 12 Jan 2006 15:34 GMT >SNIP< Butt out, idiot. I think you're the TROLL.
TROLL, TROLL, TROLL.
I'm spamming you.
Much more later,
Andy C.(never #)
Cool Jet - 12 Jan 2006 19:09 GMT > >SNIP< > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Andy C.(never #) Andy, do Rotech Medical Corporation or UUnet Technologies, Inc., Technologies know that you're using their computers for Trolling purposes? A simple toll free call to 1-800-900-0241 would put you out of business and quite possibly out of work. Or perhaps an email message to UUnet Technologies, Inc., Technologies at abuse-mail@mci.com. It can't be easy finding work in Winter Park, Fla. Keep up your nonsense Andy and we'll find out. ;-)
Andy C.(never #) - 12 Jan 2006 19:56 GMT >SNIP< You just broke a federal law. Can I get you extradited from Canada? Let's see.
Later,
Andy C.(never #)
Cool Jet - 12 Jan 2006 21:01 GMT > You just broke a federal law. Can I get you extradited from Canada? > Let's see. > > Later, > > Andy C.(never #) LMAO! Andy, I'd come down voluntarily just to see what a real troll looks like! You apparently aren't a lawyer, because you don't know your law very well! ;-) Kindest Regards.
Andrew Camfield - 13 Jan 2006 00:54 GMT Jewel Sweat wrote:
>SNIP< What makes you think we want shrubs like you in our country?
I found this in of all places alt.troll. I was looking for info on you.
Yes, you annoy me.
http://news.com.com/Create+an+e-annoyance +go+to+jail/2010-1028_3-6022491.html?part=rss&tag=6022491&subj=news
Perspective: Create an e-annoyance, go to jail By Declan McCullagh
Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime.
It's no joke. Last Thursday, President Bush signed into law a prohibition on posting annoying Web messages or sending annoying e-mail messages without disclosing your true identity.
In other words, it's OK to flame someone on a mailing list or in a blog as long as you do it under your real name. Thank Congress for small favors, I guess.
This ridiculous prohibition, which would likely imperil much of Usenet, is buried in the so-called Violence Against Women and Department of Justice Reauthorization Act. Criminal penalties include stiff fines and two years in prison.
"The use of the word 'annoy' is particularly problematic," says Marv Johnson, legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union. "What's annoying to one person may not be annoying to someone else."
Buried deep in the new law is Sec. 113, an innocuously titled bit called "Preventing Cyberstalking." It rewrites existing telephone harassment law to prohibit anyone from using the Internet "without disclosing his identity and with intent to annoy."
To grease the rails for this idea, Sen. Arlen Specter, a Pennsylvania Republican, and the section's other sponsors slipped it into an unrelated, must-pass bill to fund the Department of Justice. The plan: to make it politically infeasible for politicians to oppose the measure.
The tactic worked. The bill cleared the House of Representatives by voice vote, and the Senate unanimously approved it Dec. 16.
There's an interesting side note. An earlier version that the House approved in September had radically different wording. It was reasonable by comparison, and criminalized only using an "interactive computer service" to cause someone "substantial emotional harm."
That kind of prohibition might make sense. But why should merely annoying someone be illegal?
There are perfectly legitimate reasons to set up a Web site or write something incendiary without telling everyone exactly who you are.
Think about it: A woman fired by a manager who demanded sexual favors wants to blog about it without divulging her full name. An aspiring pundit hopes to set up the next Suck.com. A frustrated citizen wants to send e-mail describing corruption in local government without worrying about reprisals.
In each of those three cases, someone's probably going to be annoyed. That's enough to make the action a crime. (The Justice Department won't file charges in every case, of course, but trusting prosecutorial discretion is hardly reassuring.)
Clinton Fein, a San Francisco resident who runs the Annoy.com site, says a feature permitting visitors to send obnoxious and profane postcards through e-mail could be imperiled.
"Who decides what's annoying? That's the ultimate question," Fein said. He added: "If you send an annoying message via the United States Post Office, do you have to reveal your identity?"
Fein once sued to overturn part of the Communications Decency Act that outlawed transmitting indecent material "with intent to annoy." But the courts ruled the law applied only to obscene material, so Annoy.com didn't have to worry.
"I'm certainly not going to close the site down," Fein said on Friday. "I would fight it on First Amendment grounds."
He's right. Our esteemed politicians can't seem to grasp this simple point, but the First Amendment protects our right to write something that annoys someone else.
It even shields our right to do it anonymously. U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas defended this principle magnificently in a 1995 case involving an Ohio woman who was punished for distributing anonymous political pamphlets.
If President Bush truly believed in the principle of limited government (it is in his official bio), he'd realize that the law he signed cannot be squared with the Constitution he swore to uphold.
And then he'd repeat what President Clinton did a decade ago when he felt compelled to sign a massive telecommunications law. Clinton realized that the section of the law punishing abortion-related material on the Internet was unconstitutional, and he directed the Justice Department not to enforce it.
Bush has the chance to show his respect for what he calls Americans' personal freedoms. Now we'll see if the president rises to the occasion.
Later, troll....
Cool Jet - 13 Jan 2006 04:31 GMT > Jewel Sweat wrote: > Annoying someone via the Internet is now a federal crime. > SNIP other nonsense Andrew Camfield you say? New in this news group aren't you? Hmm, Winter Park, Fla. again!!! Hmmm, Sprint!!!
Andrew, I believe that you just commited a federal crime! You annoyed me and called me a name via the Internet! You should be easy for the Feds to trace!
One Definition of Troll - One who posts or reprints news articles, which are generally available to group members and have probably already been read by same. C Ya!
steve - 13 Jan 2006 01:45 GMT Do you know how many packets go through UUNet in any given second?. They are the backbone of the internet.
Now if he is using the computer at work, well that is an issue for you to tattle about.
> > >SNIP< > > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > can't be easy finding work in Winter Park, Fla. Keep up your nonsense > Andy and we'll find out. ;-) Andrew Camfield - 13 Jan 2006 02:15 GMT > Do you know how many packets go through UUNet in any given second?. > They are the backbone of the internet. > > Now if he is using the computer at work, well that is an issue for you > to tattle about. Steve,
Thanks for trying to educate this bird, but I doubt if it's possible. He'll just call you a troll.
I've owned several GM cars and had pretty good luck with them, but I wouldn't buy one now. Well, maybe. I really like that little Pontiac 2 seater. But one of my sons tells me that Saturn is coming out with a 2 seater that will have more power. We'll see.
Later,
Andy C.(never #)
steve - 13 Jan 2006 02:43 GMT OK then. I will put it in his terms. UUNet has more data packets run through it's network in a second than yhe number of bolts that GM had put into cars in its entire history. Shiyite, I do not want to explain what a data packet is to Mr CoolJet.
Saturn really needs the "Sky", its version of the Solstace
Cool Jet - 13 Jan 2006 05:24 GMT > OK then. I will put it in his terms. UUNet has more data packets run > through it's network in a second than yhe number of bolts that GM had > put into cars in its entire history. Shiyite, I do not want to explain > what a data packet is to Mr CoolJet. Steve, don't be so emboldened by Andy Camfield's comments to think that you are are the be-all and end-all in internet knowledge. Nor should the comments of someone as shallow as Andy cause you to speak down to anyone. That's just plain rude Steve. You really are overcomplicating what is really a simple matter Steve. Your reference to "data packets" is actually quite meaningless, as "data packets" have absolutely nothing to do with the issues being discussed. (Other than our messages' method of delivery to each other! *lol*) Is "data packets" the phrase of the day that you just learned? As you should know Steve, included in data packets is the sender's I.P. address. As you must surely be aware Steve, any of us can be traced through a valid I.P. number. ;-) That, my friend, is how I traced Andy C.(never #) to his I.S.P. ;-)
> Saturn really needs the "Sky", its version of the Solstace On this we are agreed Steve. I saw the Sky at a major International auto show and I like it far better than the Solstice. In fact I have a couple of pics of it on my hard drive if you're interested.
Cool Jet - 13 Jan 2006 04:35 GMT > Do you know how many packets go through UUNet in any given second?. > They are the backbone of the internet. > > Now if he is using the computer at work, well that is an issue for you > to tattle about. Time will tell Steve. It's interesting that he has stopped posting though. ;-)
Spam Hater - 12 Jan 2006 22:13 GMT > I am curious as to the reputations of the late model impalas? I am > considering getting one of the 9C1 cars out there. What should I look > out for? What are the common problems? Wait until they are out a few years.
> Also, is the new "Displacement on Demand" system worth a crap? Based on Chryslers 300C experiences I'd say yes if you highway drive a lot at reasonable legal speeds. If you mainly urban drive it will gain you very little and you'll pay through the nose for high urban gas consumption as a result of too large an engine.
ChrisCoaster - 13 Jan 2006 01:45 GMT ALRIGHT CHILDREN, ENOUGH'A YER BICKERIN' BACK'N FORTH LIKE A BUNCH A WHORES IN CONGRESS!!!! THIS IS GUNNERY SERGEANT HARTMAN AND WE'RE HERE TO DISCUSS THE '06 IM-FUCKIN' -PALA!! DO YOU MAGGOTS UNDERSTAND?!?!
Ahem, thank you gunnery sergeant Hartman...
As for the '06 Impala, I have walked around one, sat in one, and been under both the hood and trunk. I have not driven one yet, but am impressed by the overall crispness of this package. I've also DRIVEN her snazzy sister, the Buick LaCrosse as a rental while my car was having some paint repairs.
The underpinnings of these cars retain roughly 80% of the 2000-'05 Impala's, and the LaCrosse's handling confirmed that for me. Reasonably responsive steering but with little sense of (return to) center when coming out of turns. LaCrosse swallowed up meteor craters without so much as a mild thump, and I would expect the new Impala will, also. LaCrosse accelerated well with the base engine, and with it's s-rated touring tires, rolled forever between taps of the right pedal.
You will not hear a duck quack when sitting in a LaCrosse. Nor will anyone hear you scream. ; ) I CHALLENGE the Town Car to top the quietude of this babe, both at anchor and underway. Again, I sat in the Impala only at an outdoor festival with a Chevrolet tent, and at rest, it was very quiet, perhaps quieter than Impalas '05 and back.
The biggest downside to this Impie, I have to say, is the styling. VERY crisp, but quite blah. I miss the blue bowtie in front(CHEVROLET IS SUPPOSED TO BE BLUE, GM - GET IT?), and the round taillights against the black rear bezel. That Impala stuck out in traffic as did the Pacer - but in a good way. : P It screamed "CHEVROLET USA!"
It reminds me sort of a taller, edgier Lumina.
The biggest upside to Impala - and to most all of Chevy and the rest of GM: The interiors. Starting with the '04 (New) Malibu, SOMETHING happened to GM's interiors. I don't know what, but all of a sudden, it got pretty difficult to tell just what country that Malibu and other cars were coming from. I'm talking crisp, clean dashes, sensible seats, window controls, door handles and other knobs common to all the imports - placed exactly where you expect them to be. Not to mention the gaps between interior panels, minimized in width and in number. GM musta woke up, like Rip Van Winkle, and realized it's no longer 1994, but 2004!
Since then, I've seen the Cobalt, the refreshed Impala, and Chevy's '07 trucks, and I'm like WOW, these interiors are really world class! I hope they last as long and work as hard as they look good. Way to go, GM!
I still think it's too early to say how the new 2gen W bodies will wear in, but I certainly don't think the new 4-6-8cyl DoD will be the cluster- it was back in the 70s. Sumbitches used ta stall on the highways, and people were getting 20 tons of big Mack up their a.s.
There were some clunky power steering issues in the Impala up to '02, but that's been corrected and should not resurface in these new Impalas. Can somebody here shed some light on the intake-manifold issues that bugged the last Impala? Was that laid to rest for the 06'?
-CC
ChrisCoaster - 13 Jan 2006 01:49 GMT It (the '06 that is!!)reminds me sort of a taller, edgier Lumina.
Mike Levy - 13 Jan 2006 04:21 GMT Any thoughts on the Pontiac based on this platform?
I have an '06 Grand Prix, 3rd year of the current design, and love the exterior styling. The interior is pretty good as well, the seats have good bolstering for spirited driving, controls are easy to reach, the IP has a VERY clean look to it (Odo. is in the center stack, in the DIC, along with a voltmeter, tranny temp gauge and all other functions expected from a DIC). I have the base model, so it's N/A, but those 200 HP can move that 3800 lb car pretty well. Ride is firm but not harsh, handles well but does have a lot of body lean, to the point of needing to take a curve (on my way home from work) at 5 MPH SLOWER than in my S-10 ZR2, some strut tower braces should help with that. The trunk is HUGE, gigantic if you open the fold-down rear seat (7 bodies, I'm told), XM is great. The exhaust has a nice little rumble (even in the V-6), though it permeates the cabin a little more than I expected. Remote start was a GREAT feature to offer.
Did I mention I LOVE the shape of the body, plain sexy.
>ALRIGHT CHILDREN, ENOUGH'A YER BICKERIN' BACK'N FORTH LIKE A BUNCH A >WHORES IN CONGRESS!!!! THIS IS GUNNERY SERGEANT HARTMAN AND WE'RE HERE [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > >-CC Mike Copeland - 13 Jan 2006 14:46 GMT Thx for the input guys. Are there any GM techs here that can shed some light on the "heavy duty" trans? I'm also thinking a 303 HP V8 on top of a trans and front wheel drive might have some torque steer or CV joint issues. Mike
> ALRIGHT CHILDREN, ENOUGH'A YER BICKERIN' BACK'N FORTH LIKE A BUNCH A > WHORES IN CONGRESS!!!! THIS IS GUNNERY SERGEANT HARTMAN AND WE'RE HERE [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > -CC Spam Hater - 14 Jan 2006 07:25 GMT > Thx for the input guys. Are there any GM techs here that can shed some > light on the "heavy duty" trans? I'm also thinking a 303 HP V8 on top of > a trans and front wheel drive might have some torque steer or CV joint > issues. Likely if it is a transverse engine layout, but torque steer has been pretty well designed out of most transverse engine layouts. I'm wondering if cheap GM has done a redesign to handle the significantly increased torque. CV joint issues take lots of miles to detect.
If I could try one I'd tell you in 5 minutes if it has unacceptable torque steer. It just takes a few corners under high output to detect the steering not returning to center on it's own. Very dangerous!
My obsolete Concord's inline engine layout has negligible torque steer.
Olaf - 15 Jan 2006 17:43 GMT >> Thx for the input guys. Are there any GM techs here that can shed some >> light on the "heavy duty" trans? I'm also thinking a 303 HP V8 on top of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > torque steer. It just takes a few corners under high output to detect > the steering not returning to center on it's own. Very dangerous! I had a '92 corsica that would reciprocate the wheel back and forth rather wildly if I took a corner under full throttle and let go of the wheel to let it go back to center. I thought it was amusing, but I don't recall being in danger. I'd just grab ahold of the wheel and/or let off the gas and all was well.
> My obsolete Concord's inline engine layout has negligible torque steer. Cool Jet - 15 Jan 2006 20:16 GMT > I had a '92 corsica that would reciprocate the wheel back and forth rather > wildly if I took a corner under full throttle and let go of the wheel to let > it go back to center. I thought it was amusing, but I don't recall being in > danger. I'd just grab ahold of the wheel and/or let off the gas and all was > well. RE: "I thought it was amusing, but I don't recall being in danger." I agree Olaf. It's all a matter of knowing your own vehicle and how it operates and driving it accordingly.
Spam Hater - 16 Jan 2006 21:39 GMT > I had a '92 corsica that would reciprocate the wheel back and forth rather > wildly if I took a corner under full throttle and let go of the wheel to let > it go back to center. I thought it was amusing, but I don't recall being in > danger. I'd just grab ahold of the wheel and/or let off the gas and all was > well. I've had significant problems with a few high power FWD rental cars, when turning right merging into the traffic under high throttle. A few cars with terrible torque steer just wouldn't straighten out unless I let off the throttle.
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