> i have a 2000 s 10 v 6 votec i have a noise in the motor it sounds like
> the valves needs ajusted the dealer said there are no ajustment on the
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> a leaky lifter can any body help me solve my problem the dealers want
> fix it roger lm@webtv.net thank you 1 26 06
Not unusual. They make money selling you the warranty, not by fixing
anything
under warranty.
You need to read your warranty CAREFULLY, or have an attorney or legal aide
do it. Know for sure if you have the coverage you think you have. Many
warranty
policies are worthless.
IF you have coverage, you may need to get some proof that you have a
problem.
A second opinion from a qualified mechanic, in writing, would give you some
evidence. The dealership has given its opinion and, not unpredictably, they
have sided against you. If a qualified mechanic has a different opinion,
then
you have something on your side.
Now, if you determine that you actually have a problem and that your
warranty
should cover it, and they still won't attempt to satisfy you, you may have
to sue
them. In most places, you can sue in small claims court without an attorney
for
several thousand dollars.
Mike Marlow - 26 Jan 2006 21:28 GMT
> IF you have coverage, you may need to get some proof that you have a
> problem.
> A second opinion from a qualified mechanic, in writing, would give you some
> evidence. The dealership has given its opinion and, not unpredictably, they
> have sided against you.
I have to say, I have never had a dealer arbitrarilly dispute a valid claim.
Not sure where your "not unpredictably" comes from, unless you are
suggesting that it is not a valid warranty claim and the dealer has no
obligation to it.
> If a qualified mechanic has a different opinion,
> then
> you have something on your side.
Indeed.
> Now, if you determine that you actually have a problem and that your
> warranty
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> for
> several thousand dollars.
Correct again, but I suspect it won't ever get this far.

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If you can get your web tv thing to google try this search string
gm piston slap
> i have a 2000 s 10 v 6 votec i have a noise in the motor it sounds like
> the valves needs ajusted the dealer said there are no ajustment on the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> a leaky lifter can any body help me solve my problem the dealers want
> fix it roger lm@webtv.net thank you 1 26 06
> i have a 2000 s 10 v 6 votec i have a noise in the motor it sounds like
> the valves needs ajusted the dealer said there are no ajustment on the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> a leaky lifter can any body help me solve my problem the dealers want
> fix it roger lm@webtv.net thank you 1 26 06
How about trying that again, this time with grade school punctuation. If
you want help from people, you shouldn't make them work just to figure out
what you're trying to say.
What you're hearing is probably piston slap. It's normal for the 6
cylinder. You can't fix something that is designed into the engine.

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HLS@nospam.nix - 27 Jan 2006 04:34 GMT
"Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
> What you're hearing is probably piston slap. It's normal for the 6
> cylinder. You can't fix something that is designed into the engine.
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
that is truly horse sh.t, Mike, and you should know it.
It was NOT designed into the engine.
Hairy - 27 Jan 2006 05:01 GMT
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
> > What you're hearing is probably piston slap. It's normal for the 6
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> that is truly horse sh.t, Mike, and you should know it.
> It was NOT designed into the engine.
So, are you saying that the newer engines with piston slap weren't built to
design specifications?
Dave
HLS@nospam.nix - 27 Jan 2006 12:03 GMT
was NOT designed into the engine.
> So, are you saying that the newer engines with piston slap weren't built to
> design specifications?
>
> Dave
Poor engineering makes good design?
I dont think so.
Hairy - 28 Jan 2006 03:09 GMT
> was NOT designed into the engine.
> >
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> Poor engineering makes good design?
> I dont think so.
Ok....I can see why you'd avoid answering the question.
Dave
Mike Marlow - 27 Jan 2006 10:28 GMT
> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
> > What you're hearing is probably piston slap. It's normal for the 6
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> that is truly horse sh.t, Mike, and you should know it.
> It was NOT designed into the engine.
It wasn't? It's a function of the piston design. It's not a wear issue,
it's the way the engine is built.

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Shep - 27 Jan 2006 14:52 GMT
It is a function of little or no piston skirt which allows the piston to
rock in the bore. The piston to wall clearances now become more critical and
the difference of .001 can be the the difference in getting piston slap or
not.
>> "Mike Marlow" <mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net> wrote in message
>> > What you're hearing is probably piston slap. It's normal for the 6
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> It wasn't? It's a function of the piston design. It's not a wear issue,
> it's the way the engine is built.
Mike Marlow - 28 Jan 2006 13:45 GMT
> It is a function of little or no piston skirt which allows the piston to
> rock in the bore. The piston to wall clearances now become more critical and
> the difference of .001 can be the the difference in getting piston slap or
> not.
Correct. That would be "the way it was designed", as stated earlier, and
taken exception to.

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HLS@nospam.nix - 27 Jan 2006 16:24 GMT
> It wasn't? It's a function of the piston design. It's not a wear issue,
> it's the way the engine is built.
> -Mike-
> mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net
It is a function of the design of the piston, but it is more of a cockup.
I dont believe that even GM wants to design an engine that has piston
slap. Slap can cause cylinder damage and shorten the life of the engine.
Then, in afterthought, maybe I should apologize to you. GM 'designs'
or perhaps 'misengineers' lots of faults into their engines these days.
Mike Marlow - 28 Jan 2006 13:56 GMT
> > It wasn't? It's a function of the piston design. It's not a wear issue,
> > it's the way the engine is built.
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> Then, in afterthought, maybe I should apologize to you. GM 'designs'
> or perhaps 'misengineers' lots of faults into their engines these days.
I do agree that slop was not a design intent, but it is a result of that
specific piston design. This and other long standing issues with GM
products is what really bothers me as a long time GM advocate. The intake
gasket issues are the same. I can understand issues coming up, especially
when a company is trying to be innovative and come up with new designs. The
reasons for that innovative initiative can be internal (how do we design a
lighter, more powerful engine), or they can be impressed from the outside
(Feds outlaw the use of asbestos forcing manufacturers to come up with
alternatives overnight). I make allowances for misfires in the realm of
innovation. What I have a hard time with is not taking the high road and
making proper redress once the problems are discovered. In the case of
these engines, the design was found to be weak, but production went full
tilt, and GM even does their best to deny culpability. At that point, where
there is a full awareness of the issues and the motor company makes the
conscious decision to continue production and dismiss the complaints of
their customers, I tend to take a harsher position.

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Jim Higgins - 28 Jan 2006 14:04 GMT
>> > It wasn't? It's a function of the piston design. It's not a wear
> issue,
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> conscious decision to continue production and dismiss the complaints of
> their customers, I tend to take a harsher position.
Could also be the reason many customers suffer serious pain with domestic
car companies and why imports (even though made/assembled here) do as well
as they do. My $0.02.
Well, if they want fix, what do you want? If you want fix, then tell dealer
they fix. If you no want fix, you no fix.

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i have a 2000 s 10 v 6 votec i have a noise in the motor it sounds like
the valves needs ajusted the dealer said there are no ajustment on the
vavles and said due to th milage 65000 that was normal for the noise the
warrnty is good till 86411 i paid for the warranty can get the noise
fix you can let the truck sat for 45 minutes start it up there is a loud
noise for about a minute then it quieten down it sound like to me it is
a leaky lifter can any body help me solve my problem the dealers want
fix it roger lm@webtv.net thank you 1 26 06