hi everybody,
I posted the other day on this car with no response...The plot thickens...
My 93 bonneville se has several of us here totally bafffled...Just replaced
the engine with a low mile used one..engine sounds great...Here's the problem.
..The car runs horrible for the first few minutes on a cold engine...it idles
around 2000rpm and nearly dies when you try to accellerate..once running
approx 2 minutes, it's drivable but has a hesitation from a dead start. Once
your moving it runs pretty well.
The check engine light is on intermittantly and was initially producing a
different code every time I scanned it. Thinking at this point that I had a
bad computer, I replaced the computer. Light's still on and off, problem's
still there but now the only code info I'm getting is "fault in ESC circuit"
and my scanner shows 0 deg timing advance...sometimes?
New development I think may be related----Now the engine temp guage will
not reach more than 150 deg f.---Replaced thermostat...again...no change,
stll says it's not warming up fully, but I think it really is...{good heat,
fans cycling properly}
I'm beginning to suspect a bad ground problem somewhere as I have had a
few other wiring problems crop up with the pwr windows and seats which
required running a new grond wire to correct.
Has anyone seen a problem like this and any suggestions where to look?
thanks to all
Gonz
Shep - 29 Jan 2006 20:42 GMT
Go back thru all the engine grounds in particular, make sure temp sensor
reads accurately on a cold engine, check tps on the scanner not accurate as
it would be with a scope but give it a try. Any codes now besides esc,
which is controlled by the icm, swap witth the one from your old engine,
grounds here are important!
> hi everybody,
> I posted the other day on this car with no response...The plot
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> thanks to all
> Gonz
Mike Marlow - 29 Jan 2006 21:14 GMT
> hi everybody,
> I posted the other day on this car with no response...The plot thickens...
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> thanks to all
> Gonz
Grounds are very important. Double check those. Check what the engine temp
sensor is showing. It's a primary input for fuel mixture, timing advance,
etc.

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sdlomi2 - 03 Feb 2006 00:17 GMT
>> hi everybody,
>> I posted the other day on this car with no response...The plot
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> sensor is showing. It's a primary input for fuel mixture, timing advance,
> etc.
Like Mike advised above, check what the engine temp. sensor is showing
AND conmpare it to a manual check using a suitable thermometer--CAREFUL TO
NOT GET BURNED!!! I use a cooking therm. to check them with, but I have
been removing radiator caps for y-e-a-r-s and know how to do so carefully.
If you're not completely familiar with how to do so, pay a mechanic a couple
of dollars to check it with wife's cooking therm--he should do it cheap.
Reason for double-checking: these thermostats are tricky to install, &
if not done properly, using outer o-ring, it'll merely float around in its
housing & let water bypass it and run too cool. HTH, s