I have a 97 3.1 Grand am with just about 127k miles. The car runs just fine
but I havnt had my transmission fluid changed since it was was done at 50k
miles. Some people say that changing old fluid can be worse than not
changing because of the clean fluid interacting with the old seals and fluid
lines. My question is should I go ahead and get it changed even though it
runs and shifts just fine or should I take my chances and keep the old. I
plan to keep it for another year or 2 maybe adding adding another 25 or 30k
miles.
Harry Face - 30 Jan 2006 07:51 GMT
By all means change the trans oil & filter.
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TheSnoMan - 30 Jan 2006 11:40 GMT
> By all means change the trans oil & filter.
>
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>
>
Yes because new fluid helps keep seals fresher and tranny cleaner.

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putt@webtv.net - 30 Jan 2006 13:30 GMT
>I havnt had my transmission fluid
> changed since it was was done at 50k
> miles. should I go ahead and get it
> changed
Yes, change filter/fluid. It's been 70K+ miles since the last
servicing, so it's the right time. Had the trans never had any
servicing, the advice might be different.
Dave S(Texas)
NickySantoro - 30 Jan 2006 14:15 GMT
>Some people say that changing old fluid can be worse than not
>changing because of the clean fluid interacting with the old seals and fluid
>lines.
Old wives tale. When I worked in the business, people would bring in
their cars with tranny problems and want the fluid changed in a last
ditch effort to save the trans. Most often this failed and the
customers often blamed the change rather than the lack of maintenance
for the problem.
Rule #1 The best fluid is new fluid
Rule #2 See Rule #1
Joe - 31 Jan 2006 02:04 GMT
>I have a 97 3.1 Grand am with just about 127k miles. The car runs just fine
> but I havnt had my transmission fluid changed since it was was done at 50k
> miles. Some people say that changing old fluid can be worse than not
> changing because of the clean fluid interacting with the old seals and
> fluid
> lines.
These people, are they armchair quarterbacks or reliability researchers at
hydramatic division?
Olaf - 31 Jan 2006 02:06 GMT
>I have a 97 3.1 Grand am with just about 127k miles. The car runs just fine
> but I havnt had my transmission fluid changed since it was was done at 50k
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> 30k
> miles.
25k or 30k more miles? You're fine either way. GM made very tough
front-wheel-drive transmissions. I drove my '90 grand prix WELL over 150k
miles on the same fluid. When I finally did change it the fluid was murky
and there was what looked like a rather large piece of clutch material in
the pan! The ol' girl shifted perfectly fine for the 200k+ miles I had 'er.
The problem you describe with difficulties after changing old fluid arise
from power-flushes. If you have your transmission power flushed it would be
wise to change your fluid regularly. Old fluid leaves deposits in harmless
places, and the power flush may dislodge particles and let them deposit in
harmful places.
If you want to have your fluid changed, that's cool; it won't hurt. Just
don't opt for the power flush.
t - 31 Jan 2006 16:25 GMT
I have a 98 olds silhouette (sames as pontiac montana and chevy venture),
and I too need to change my tranny fluid and filter. My question is, is
there a gasket that should have came with the tranny filter? I have the
filter, but I didn't get the gasket.
>I have a 97 3.1 Grand am with just about 127k miles. The car runs just fine
> but I havnt had my transmission fluid changed since it was was done at 50k
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> 30k
> miles.
Harry Face - 01 Feb 2006 01:47 GMT
T,
Some newer GM vehicles were using a reusable trans pan gasket. You
should be able to buy just a gasket as a back up if case the original
gets ruined.
Harryface
05 Park Avenue, 34,114
91 Bonneville LE 305,610
John Horner - 02 Feb 2006 06:24 GMT
> I have a 98 olds silhouette (sames as pontiac montana and chevy venture),
> and I too need to change my tranny fluid and filter. My question is, is
> there a gasket that should have came with the tranny filter? I have the
> filter, but I didn't get the gasket.
Generally these transmissions have a reusable neoprene style gasket on
the pan. As long as yours is in good shape simply reuse it.
John
John Horner - 02 Feb 2006 06:22 GMT
> I have a 97 3.1 Grand am with just about 127k miles. The car runs just fine
> but I havnt had my transmission fluid changed since it was was done at 50k
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> plan to keep it for another year or 2 maybe adding adding another 25 or 30k
> miles.
I would change it with the traditional drop fan, replace filter, refill
method. I would not put it on a fluid flush machine and I would not run
solvent through it. Most shops will now use the solvent & machine to
"service" your transmission fluid.
I don't buy they leave it in there arguments at all.
John
Worthington J. Wilmington - 04 Feb 2006 17:49 GMT
After posting the original question regarding the change of tranny fluid on
my car with 127k miles it is time to do an update. As mentioned the car ran
just fine with the old fluid but was getting dirty. Yesterday I took the
chance and had it flushed....I didnt get the old style flush which used
pressure, but I used the Snap On recirculation non pressure flush machine.
The machine recirculates the old fluid with new fluid using the transmission
filler tube, its like getting a blood transfusion or like bieng on a
dialysys machine. At the end of the treatment your fluid is new and clean
and air never gets in your system allowing sediment to settle in places it
shouldnt. The trans pan also did not need to be dropped. The question was
will I have a problem afterwards...the answer is no. I drove it all day with
no issues what so ever. I would recommend this type of flush over the old to
anyone about to get a fluid change.
jcr - 04 Feb 2006 19:18 GMT
Message from Worthington J. Wilmington written on 2/4/2006 12:49 PM:
> After posting the original question regarding the change of tranny fluid on
> my car with 127k miles it is time to do an update. As mentioned the car ran
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> no issues what so ever. I would recommend this type of flush over the old to
> anyone about to get a fluid change.
But you didn't change the filter. And the sediment still remains in the
pan.
=AB Paul =BB - 04 Feb 2006 19:50 GMT
> After posting the original question regarding the change of tranny fluid on
> my car with 127k miles it is time to do an update. As mentioned the car ran
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> no issues what so ever. I would recommend this type of flush over the old to
> anyone about to get a fluid change.
It's likely the filter is almost completely clogged up
and there is 1/4" of nasty sediment in the pan.
That is not good for the trans.
MikeG - 04 Feb 2006 20:35 GMT
and what about the fluid in the TC??
"« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
=?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
news:43E7A8E2.E4549B47@houston.rr.com...
>> After posting the original question regarding the change of tranny fluid
>> on
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> and there is 1/4" of nasty sediment in the pan.
> That is not good for the trans.
John Horner - 04 Feb 2006 21:49 GMT
> After posting the original question regarding the change of tranny fluid on
> my car with 127k miles it is time to do an update. As mentioned the car ran
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> no issues what so ever. I would recommend this type of flush over the old to
> anyone about to get a fluid change.
What about the filter?
What about cleaning sediment from the pan?
John
Hairy - 05 Feb 2006 03:34 GMT
> After posting the original question regarding the change of tranny fluid on
> my car with 127k miles it is time to do an update. As mentioned the car ran
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> no issues what so ever. I would recommend this type of flush over the old to
> anyone about to get a fluid change.
It's a revelation........We now know exactly who P.T. Barnum was talking
about.
Dave
Mike Marlow - 05 Feb 2006 11:31 GMT
> > After posting the original question regarding the change of tranny fluid
> on
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> It's a revelation........We now know exactly who P.T. Barnum was talking
> about.
All right Dave - that's enough. I has successfully let this post go by
yesterday, thinking that I didn't need to point out the OP's gullibility.
Was feeling pretty good about myself for that. And then... along comes
Dave. Says what I was thinking and completely blows my efforts at being a
nice guy. Thanks Mister. Just want you to know - you have succeeded in
reviving my cynical side. Oh well - if anybody comments on it at least I
have someone to blame.

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Hairy - 06 Feb 2006 03:19 GMT
.
> > It's a revelation........We now know exactly who P.T. Barnum was talking
> > about.
>
> All right Dave - that's enough. I has successfully let this post go by
> yesterday, thinking that I didn't need to point out the OP's gullibility.
> Was feeling pretty good about myself for that.
I admire your restraint.
And then... along comes
> Dave. Says what I was thinking and completely blows my efforts at being a
> nice guy. Thanks Mister. Just want you to know - you have succeeded in
> reviving my cynical side.
Oh.......don't feel bad. I doubt the OP understood my comment, anyway. ;-)
Dave
Worthington J. Wilmington - 10 Feb 2006 06:31 GMT
> .
> > >
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>
> Dave
If it were up to you we would all still be driving around with mechanical
brakes because you would be the one to say brake fluid is snake oil. Then
again you probably think steam were the way to go.
putt@webtv.net - 05 Feb 2006 11:37 GMT
>(Worthington J. Wilmington)
>After posting the original question
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> question was will I have a problem
> afterwards...the answer is no.
Yea well, that is probably gonna end up being a very wrong answer. I
and others answered your question by saying 'yes' its time for a fluid
AND filter change. Apparently you didn't want good advice and believed
the man with the machine. Good luck with that.........! Oh well,
transmissions are probably cheap where you live. Don't worry about
it..........
Dave S(Texas)
Spam Hater - 10 Feb 2006 08:29 GMT
> I drove it all day with
> no issues what so ever. I would recommend this type of flush over the old to
> anyone about to get a fluid change.
That's a REAL long test!
I just got a complete transmission fluid change. 120 Kkms.
A flush and a pan drop. The only way to get it totally changed.
The dealer recommended a few flushes each 30Kkms, then the full
treatment again.
Worthington J. Wilmington - 09 Feb 2006 04:31 GMT
I just got back from a long trip after having the fluid changed. Morning
startup temps were in the 20 deg. In any case I racked up quite a few miles
in various temps and driving conditions and the trans worked perfectly with
no problems. I now feel comfortable in recommending the Snap On trans flush.
Hairy - 09 Feb 2006 05:12 GMT
> I just got back from a long trip after having the fluid changed. Morning
> startup temps were in the 20 deg. In any case I racked up quite a few miles
> in various temps and driving conditions and the trans worked perfectly with
> no problems. I now feel comfortable in recommending the Snap On trans flush.
If you hadn't had it flushed, it would still have worked perfectly with no
problems. Your pan still has sediment in it and your filter is still dirty.
Your recommendation isn't worth the bandwidth used to post it.
Dave
Worthington J. Wilmington - 10 Feb 2006 06:28 GMT
> > I just got back from a long trip after having the fluid changed. Morning
> > startup temps were in the 20 deg. In any case I racked up quite a few
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Dave
Why dont you get some edumacation and learn about how a recirculating flush
works. If it wasnt legit do you think the Buick/Pontiac Dealership would be
using them? The circulation flush works with the engine running agitating
the sediment in the pan into the fluid and removed.
Mike Marlow - 10 Feb 2006 13:18 GMT
> > > I just got back from a long trip after having the fluid changed. Morning
> > > startup temps were in the 20 deg. In any case I racked up quite a few
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> using them? The circulation flush works with the engine running agitating
> the sediment in the pan into the fluid and removed.
Actually, I hope not. If you think about it that principle of operation
would be quite disastrous to a normal running tranny. Agitating the
particulates in the tranny pan by running the engine would circulate them
during normal driving, as well. I would not want that. Agitating
particulates for the purpose of running them through the closed loop system
in the hope of capturing them in an external device is risky at best. The
Snap On device will capture what makes its way to it, but stirring that
stuff up (if indeed the Snap On flush is capable of doing that...) will
certainly result in the stuff getting spread throughout the system and
caught in the system - not the flush system. But... even giving the benefit
of the doubt to the Snap On system, it's not going to get the stuff out of
the filter and it's not going to get the metallic particulates that are
captured by the magnet. There's only one way to address those two factors.
Dealerships very often use what is convenient for them and not always what
is best for your car. Sorry, but it's a hands down no-brainer that to
remove the pan and filter, and to manually clean the pan and replace the
filter, followed by a normal flush using just the tranny pump as the flush
pump, is going to give you a far better flush and replacement process than
the Snap On system is giving you.
Dave is right - you are leaving a dirty filter in your car. And you are
leaving the stuff in the pan. To each his own, and the flush job you got
did at least flush out the most of the fluid in your car, but don't place
blind faith in things that you clearly don't understand. Though it is fast
and convenient, it's *not* the same as a manual job.

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dkuhajda@locl.net - 11 Feb 2006 19:14 GMT
Our independent transmission shops recommend AGAINST just doing a flush
without having the fan dropped and filter replaced FIRST on any
transmission that has more than 30K since the last full filter, flush
performed.
If the flush is performed regularily, i.e. every 10-15K, then the
tranny shop I use says it is ok not to replace the filter until the
third time to flush it out, 30K-45K. The reasoning is that the regular
flushes keep most of the particulate crud out of the fluid and the
magnet on the pan collects the little remainder and holds it in place.
In addition the ones that use the 'smart' computers to adjust the shift
point as the fluid characteristics change would need a transmission
computer relearn performed with each change.
FYI we had a '95 Chrysler minivan 4 spd transmission serviced by this
shop using the second of the above methods and it made it over 200K
before needing the first rebuild. $50 flush & tranny relearn every
15K, Fluid and filter at each 45K, did need on repair around 100K of a
relay pack for the transmission ~$350 repair. Far less than the $2000
typical rebuild most people were needing around 90K.
Lumpy Rutherford - 12 Feb 2006 15:57 GMT
The Snap-on Fluid exchanger Flush ia a viable alternative option for fluid
change. It may not be perfect but neither is dropping the pan and doing a
power flush. Depending on how long you let your transmission changes go
depends on a lot. For instance a power flush for real dirty fluid can be
bad. The snap on exchanger can be good to use if you have real dirty fluid.
I somtimes suggest doing the S-O fluid exchange then drive it and make sure
it runs fine then later on 10k miles or so change it again by dropping the
pan and adding a clean filter.
Homey J Simpson - 20 Feb 2006 15:58 GMT
> The Snap-on Fluid exchanger Flush ia a viable alternative option for fluid
> change. It may not be perfect but neither is dropping the pan and doing a
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> it runs fine then later on 10k miles or so change it again by dropping the
> pan and adding a clean filter.
I agree thats a safe way to go with really dirty systems because if you just
drop the pan and change the fluid you will just recontaminate the fluid with
the dirty fluid in the converter. We dont use the the Snap on but use
another brand that does the same exact thing which exchanges the old fluid
for the bad including the converter fluid. We also make the same suggestion
and tell them to come back in 10-20k miles for a pan flush and filter
change. So far no complaints of transmission failures from this machine, if
we had lots of complaints we wouldnt use it or we would be out of business.
putt@webtv.net - 10 Feb 2006 14:15 GMT
>learn about how a recirculating flush
> works. If it wasnt legit do you think the
> Buick/Pontiac Dealership would be
> using them?
It never ceases to amaze me when someone goes to the trouble of posting
a question, gets the correct answer but doesn't follow it. Not one
person here has profit in mind when answering questions, yet it is the
man whose mind is on profit that rules the outcome. A ignorant way to
do things, but 'A fool and his money are soon parted'. This WJW guy is
obviously a boob and now that he's flaunted good advice/knowledge, he
gets all-defensive with his postings. I wonder who will get the last
laugh? The not-for-profit advice givers, the Buick/Pontiac dealership,
or wjw......this doesn't even need a vote, does it?
Dave S(Texas)
FBR - 12 Feb 2006 19:54 GMT
Quick Google news search shows you as being an asshat. Either fix it right
or give it to someone that will. "If it wasnt legit do you think the
Buick/Pontiac Dealership would be using them" They don't. Nor does any
Pontiac dealer recommend such a thing. As usual you are talking outta your
a.s.
> > > I just got back from a long trip after having the fluid changed. Morning
> > > startup temps were in the 20 deg. In any case I racked up quite a few
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> using them? The circulation flush works with the engine running agitating
> the sediment in the pan into the fluid and removed.
RT - 13 Feb 2006 03:39 GMT
>> > I just got back from a long trip after having the fluid changed. Morning
>> > startup temps were in the 20 deg. In any case I racked up quite a few
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>using them? The circulation flush works with the engine running agitating
>the sediment in the pan into the fluid and removed.
my strategy is to drain and fill trans fluid at about 10K, then every
30 K I open up the pan and clean the gunk off, replace the filter and
clean the magnet. I know I won't replace ALL the fluid in there, but a
part of it is replaced and due to the more frequent changes I do keep
a pretty clean fluid. I don't use any fancy fluids either, just
whatever meets the specs. MY motto is that new fluids is better than
fancy fluid.