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Limited recall riles GM owners

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Jim Higgins - 12 Feb 2006 10:52 GMT
Limited recall riles GM owners
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060212/AUTO01/602120372/1148

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"...guarded by a tired cohort of Roman Heavy Infantry"
Shep - 12 Feb 2006 15:51 GMT
The actual repair takes about 45 minutes per wheel and no parts normally!
> Limited recall riles GM owners
> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060212/AUTO01/602120372/1148
>
> --
> "...guarded by a tired cohort of Roman Heavy Infantry"
aarcuda69062 - 12 Feb 2006 16:16 GMT
> The actual repair takes about 45 minutes per wheel and no parts normally!

$898.00 ??

We gotta raise our prices...
John Horner - 13 Feb 2006 03:19 GMT
> The actual repair takes about 45 minutes per wheel and no parts normally!

All the more reason for GM to cover it 100% everywhere!

John
Scott - 12 Feb 2006 18:26 GMT
> Limited recall riles GM owners
> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060212/AUTO01/602120372/1148
>
> --
> "...guarded by a tired cohort of Roman Heavy Infantry"

While this is bad news for people affected, I have to wonder what your
motivation is for your posts.  Just here to bash GM?
Jim Higgins - 12 Feb 2006 21:15 GMT
>> Limited recall riles GM owners
>> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060212/AUTO01/602120372/1148
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> While this is bad news for people affected, I have to wonder what your
> motivation is for your posts.  Just here to bash GM?

The GM news posted is bad news for owners.  In I have owned GM and GM cars
(note the plural) but having been badly burned by both and by warranty and
out of warranty repairs and choose not to be cursed by domestic auto
purchases again, ever.  The article on GM was quite legitimate Scott, do you
seek to be proud of such a poor record?  If GM wants people back, that have
very long memories for shabby treatment, they will have to go a long, long
way to do so.  A probable good start to convince people that they are
serious about quality would be a 100,000 mile warranty, a very good one.
Absent that 100K warranty I do not have the money or resources to risk
gambling on a domestic car again-I *cannot* afford it.  You want to roll the
dice?  Go right ahead.  Good luck Scott.
- 12 Feb 2006 23:25 GMT
>>> Limited recall riles GM owners
>>> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060212/AUTO01/602120372/1148
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> gambling on a domestic car again-I *cannot* afford it.  You want to roll the
> dice?  Go right ahead.  Good luck Scott.

My memory of Pearl Harbor trumps anything that GM might do. Give me a
Chevy over a ToyAuto any day...
Jim Higgins - 12 Feb 2006 23:51 GMT
>>>> Limited recall riles GM owners
>>>> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060212/AUTO01/602120372/1148
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> My memory of Pearl Harbor trumps anything that GM might do. Give me a
> Chevy over a ToyAuto any day...

Welcome to defective iron sucker, I'll go with real quality.
Hairy - 13 Feb 2006 01:31 GMT
> >>>> Limited recall riles GM owners

http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060212/AUTO01/602120372/1148

> >>>> --
> >>>> "...guarded by a tired cohort of Roman Heavy Infantry"
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
>
> Welcome to defective iron sucker, I'll go with real quality.

So........ Scott is correct. You are just here to bash GM.
John Horner - 13 Feb 2006 04:13 GMT
> While this is bad news for people affected, I have to wonder what your
> motivation is for your posts.  Just here to bash GM?

Why shouldn't he post it?  Is your fantasy that this is a GM
Cheerleading Only zone?

John
Cool Jet - 13 Feb 2006 04:37 GMT
> Why shouldn't he post it?  Is your fantasy that this is a GM
> Cheerleading Only zone?
>
> John

If I may take the liberty of quoting Scott, "I have to wonder what your
motivation is for your posts.  Just here to bash GM?"  Don't bother
answering John. We already know the answer.  You could certainly never
be accused of being a GM cheerleader. ;-) You're merely a lost mindless
soul "trolling" the Group John.  *LOL* ;-)
Jim Higgins - 13 Feb 2006 11:07 GMT
>> Why shouldn't he post it?  Is your fantasy that this is a GM
>> Cheerleading Only zone?
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> be accused of being a GM cheerleader. ;-) You're merely a lost mindless
> soul "trolling" the Group John.  *LOL* ;-)

Pity that some folks are locked into "buying domestic at *any cost* right
into bankruptcy".  Most people these days, and more as domestic market share
continues to fall, prefer to buy quality products.  Quality pays in the long
run, something that GM & Co. still fail to understand.  They people that got
GM and Ford into this mess are the ones to get it out?  Hardly.  At a
minimum GM needs to offer a 100K solid warranty if they are to be taken
seriously anymore.  Every day they loose market share and still fail to "get
it".
Charge - 13 Feb 2006 15:33 GMT
It is ashame that some consumers are locked into "buying foreign at
*any cost* forcing American companies to lose market share and
fall right into bankruptcy".

Most consumers these days, and more consumers as domestic
market share continues to fall, prefer to buy "quality" products
not caring about their standard of living.  Granted quality helps
a products reputation in the long run, something that many US
manufacturers may fail to understand the consumers perspective.

Irate stockholders can't hardly prosecute via class action law suits
the people that got GM and Ford into this mess.  Why?  They are
retired, sitting nursing homes with senile dementia, or dead.  Why?
Shareholders wouldn't trust them to manage large companies again
like Delphi, GM, Ford and Visteon.

Yes, GM is guilty of "selective" recalls that secretively catered to
owners of low selling certain car models. This didn't help matters
with consumer loyalty issues concerning popular and high selling
models!

GM needs a lot more than "100K solid warranty if they are to
be taken seriously anymore."!  There are customer abuse issues
concerning warranties.

Selling a product includes a lot more than a "solid warranty".
To name a few:  affordability, Consumer brand acceptance,
dealer reputation, guarantee, price/cost, and implied &
expressed warranty.

To "get it" consumers need to realize what is at stake -- lose
their purchasing power in future years due to a loss of domestic
jobs via apathy concerning domestic production of products.
This has already happened with consumer electronics!
So if they value their standard of living concerning their
disposable income, "Buy American".

I am sure many readers of my post have many band aid solutions.

Why can't consumers have a wake up call more startling than
French's mustard!

snip
Cool Jet - 13 Feb 2006 16:53 GMT
> It is ashame that some consumers are locked into "buying foreign at
> *any cost* forcing American companies to lose market share and
[quoted text clipped - 39 lines]
>
> snip

Charge, I am guilty of painting you with a broad brush when I responded
to Jim Higgins and John Horner's comments. Recently, you had been
posting links to far too many news stories that many of us had already
read and I thought that your intent was to cast aspersions at American
industry.  This latest post of yours appears to be your own thoughts
and not those of some news story. And your comments make a lot of
sense. My apologies for the shots I took at you.
Cool Jet - 13 Feb 2006 16:43 GMT
> Pity that some folks are locked into "buying domestic at *any cost* right
> into bankruptcy".  Most people these days, and more as domestic market share
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> seriously anymore.  Every day they loose market share and still fail to "get
> it".

Pity that some folk are locked into buying Euro and Japanese and
Chinese because of price, but try to rationalize it by insisting that
it's because of quality, notwithstanding reports to the contrary.  Pity
that these same folk fail to see the impact that buying foreign product
can have on their country's economy and eventually on them personally.

Jim, what I'm about to say would appear to be news to you - when any
company has a major market share, if you assume for a moment that the
entire market remains constant over time, each time some new company
starts selling into that market, the company with the major market
share has to lose some market share. Mathematics don't lie.  Having
said that, the entire market does not stay constant over time. It is
dynamic and expands and contracts, but unless it is a product that has
passed its life cycle, it generally expands as it enters now markets
for the first time.

Re: "They (sic) people that got GM and Ford into this mess are the ones
to get it out?"  Jim, surely you do not believe that all GM executives
got the company "into this mess"! Do you really believe that there
isn't a single bright GM executive who can help the company? I would
suggest to you that there are scores of capable executives within the
company that have the intelligence to turn the company around.

Re: "Every day they loose (sic) market share and still fail to "get
it"."  Jim, you would appear to be the one who fails to get how
marketshare works. I can assure you that GM knows painfully well. ;-)

Which brings me to my final comment - Jim, why do the likes of you,
John Horner and Charge spend so much time trolling a News Group for a
product for which you clearly harbor such disdain? Do you have an axe
to grind? Just curious.
John Horner - 14 Feb 2006 04:20 GMT
> If I may take the liberty of quoting Scott, "I have to wonder what your
> motivation is for your posts.  Just here to bash GM?"  Don't bother
> answering John. We already know the answer.  You could certainly never
> be accused of being a GM cheerleader. ;-) You're merely a lost mindless
> soul "trolling" the Group John.  *LOL* ;-)

So then genius boy, do you think GM is doing the right thing by limiting
it's brake recall to certain states?

John
Cool Jet - 15 Feb 2006 05:01 GMT
> So then genius boy, do you think GM is doing the right thing by limiting
> it's brake recall to certain states?
>
> John

John, if I may take the liberty of quoting Scott once again,  "I have
to wonder what your motivation is for your posts.  Just here to bash
GM?"  Don't bother answering John. Oh right - you didn't!!! We already
know the answer.  You could certainly never be accused of being a GM
cheerleader. ;-) You're merely a lost mindless soul "trolling" the
Group John.  *LOL* ;-)

John Horner = TROLL
jcr - 16 Feb 2006 00:24 GMT
> On  2/15/2006 12:01 AM ...  Cool Jet  wrote:
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> John Horner = TROLL

Oh the irony.  Charge someone for not answering the question then
proceed not to answer the question either.  Now that's damn funny.

I'll answer it.  No, GM isn't doing the right thing in that case.
John Horner - 13 Feb 2006 03:19 GMT
> Limited recall riles GM owners
> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060212/AUTO01/602120372/1148
>
> --
> "...guarded by a tired cohort of Roman Heavy Infantry"

Yet another example of short-term profit-first thinking which continues
to screw the customer.

Dumb and dumber!

John
Conan Ford - 15 Feb 2006 03:55 GMT
> Limited recall riles GM owners
> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060212/AUTO01/60212
> 0372/1148

There was a recall on early 90's 4.3L Vortec engines for the PCV hose
freezing up below -30 F.  It was effective in Northern States and Alaska.  
The fix was a replacement with a higher flow PCV.  However, the recall was
never initiated in Canada, where it gets colder than all of those places
except Alaska.    Just great.

The Canadian GM parts places know nothing about it, however the valve they
have has a capital "H" printed on the bottom.  I hope that is the right
one, because it sure gets lower than -30 F here sometimes.
 
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