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Car Forum / GMC Cars / April 2006

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GM Recovery hopes

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HLS@nospam.nix - 29 Mar 2006 18:17 GMT
GM's hopes weaken.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060329/gm_accounting.html?.v=2
Gosi - 30 Mar 2006 07:22 GMT
selling off assets

http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/feeds/ap/2006/03/29/ap2632326.html
Jim Higgins - 30 Mar 2006 15:39 GMT
> selling off assets
>
> http://www.forbes.com/business/energy/feeds/ap/2006/03/29/ap2632326.html

My $0.02 worth

If GM's accounting "irregularities" (polite speak for fraud?) prevent the
sale of GMAC then GM's hope of getting 10-12 Billion for that fails and
there is no money to backstop/subsidize Delphi for their wage cuts and
flowback to GM.  Also no money for Delphi pension liabilities.  I would
suppose the GM buyouts would come out of the pool of cash (about 20B or so
??) further reducing that pool.  Back to Delphi.  Miller, realizing GM is
unable to backstop him, decides to go for voiding the union contracts.
Weeks
pass and the judge agrees to void the contracts.  1-3 weeks for the shock to
set in for the Delphi folks on the floor.  Delphi people generally feel that
since they will no longer be able to purchase the cars that they make parts
for (I am *not* talking about decked out versions) they are going down (way,
way down) so there is nothing to loose-a kamikaze mind set takes hold.
Strike takes place.  Three days, or so, later GM shuts down.  Two months, or
less, later GM files for bankruptcy.  Ford follows shortly thereafter.

Catastrophic economic, social and political consequences follow.

All of this nasty scenario could start with the failure of the sale of GMAC
and run downhill from there.

Then there is the matter of the upcoming contract talks in '07.

This Spring and Summer is going to be a really wild ride-fasten your seat
and shoulder belts!

Does GM have cash to fund comeback? (03/30/06)
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060330/AUTO01/603300398/1148

GM: More woes, more cuts ahead (03/29/06)
http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060329/AUTO01/603290388/1148
GLitwinski - 31 Mar 2006 04:12 GMT
Gone off our "medication" again, have we?

Naughty, naughty.

>> selling off assets
>>
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> GM: More woes, more cuts ahead (03/29/06)
> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060329/AUTO01/603290388/1148
Cool Jet - 31 Mar 2006 06:10 GMT
> Gone off our "medication" again, have we?
>
> Naughty, naughty.

LMAO!!! You pretty well have these characters figured out! But let them
commiserate with each other while we laugh at their venomous antics.
It would appear that life has dealt them all a poor hand. *LOL*
Jim Higgins - 31 Mar 2006 12:10 GMT
A pity you PWT types are of such limited intellect.

>> Gone off our "medication" again, have we?
>>
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> commiserate with each other while we laugh at their venomous antics.
> It would appear that life has dealt them all a poor hand. *LOL*
Cool Jet - 31 Mar 2006 21:43 GMT
> >> Gone off our "medication" again, have we?
> >>
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> >
> A pity you PWT types are of such limited intellect.

A pity you bitter old reprobates are of such limited focus. Sad really.
:-(  It is quite self-destructive to be so focused on the negatives in
life. I'll bet that you all have high cholesterol/blood pressure.Surely
there must be something positive going on in your lives. Well, in your
case . . . maybe not. Sad. :-(
Jim Higgins - 31 Mar 2006 12:09 GMT
Try an objective evaluation instead of a PWT knee jerk.

> Gone off our "medication" again, have we?
>
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>> GM: More woes, more cuts ahead (03/29/06)
>> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060329/AUTO01/603290388/1148
Gosi - 31 Mar 2006 13:06 GMT
Hydrogen fuelGeneral Motors needs to give a green light to heavy
investment to develop a mass-market hydrogen-powered car within the
next 18 months to ensure the US carmaker - struggling with a
financial crisis - does not get left behind on clean vehicles

Larry Burns, head of research and planning at GM, said the carmaker
needed to move fuel cell propulsion from the laboratory to full
development

Many others already way ahead of GM and left them back in the dust and
maybe they will never get off the ground again
arthur - 30 Mar 2006 20:27 GMT
A very long time in coming but written into their book decades ago.
The sin is the obscene salary for the company killers.

Some of the Europeans will follow suit.

neguhe
==

>GM's hopes weaken.
>http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060329/gm_accounting.html?.v=2
GLitwinski - 31 Mar 2006 04:07 GMT
Just what exactly do you mean by that "sin"?

>A very long time in coming but written into their book decades ago.
> The sin is the obscene salary for the company killers.
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>>GM's hopes weaken.
>>http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/060329/gm_accounting.html?.v=2
arthur - 31 Mar 2006 06:33 GMT
Looks like proper English to me.

Noun   = Sin
Verb    = is
Object = obscene salary

People thought they were buying a good dividend but were shafted by a
30% loss instead.  I read mgmt holds a puny 0.11% of the outstanding
shares.

To be paid over $4x10*6 for that performance and non solutions is a
sin.  Next are the funds and institutions of public trust who either
out of incompetence or duress risk the money in their charges.  

Finally the sin of the DOW 30 listing GM as the only company
representing the auto business and it isn't even a pure auto business.

Seems clear to me.  Sins are evil and that describes GM and all of its
barrels of snakes.

a
==

>Just what exactly do you mean by that "sin"?

>> The sin is the obscene salary for the company killers.
sarp - 31 Mar 2006 05:51 GMT
> A very long time in coming but written into their book decades ago.
> The sin is the obscene salary for the company killers.

high salaries are not really the problem from the standpoint of
stockholders.

If an executive knows how to keep the stock up and the company
profitable, he should get anything that accomplishes this goal.

The sin is really the failure of GM to compete against the Japanese and
Europeans.

A company needs to pay execs well in order to survive.

If an exec feels she is underpaid relative to her peers she can go to a
competitor and reveal trade secrets, which will undermine a company
even more.

Execs are paid to be keepers of the secrets, and their payment is a
form of hush money.

This is what Ferdinand Lundberg says in "The Rich and the Super Rich."

s.
sarp - 31 Mar 2006 05:45 GMT
> GM's hopes weaken.

You might try reading the articles you link to.

It stated that York, Kerkorian's partner, is taking positive moves to
save the company by cutting executive salaries and and possibly
eliminating the dividend altogether.

they also appear to be negotiating seriously with the unions.

s.
Jerry - 31 Mar 2006 14:02 GMT
IMO one gets a good bang for their buck with GM products - I just bought
one.  <negotiating seriously with the unions> - I don't think that their
union mentality will provide for major concessions.  Unfortunately, IMO the
only long term solution will be chap. 11.  It'll be interesting to watch the
Delphi situation.

Signature

Jerry

>> GM's hopes weaken.
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> s.
arthur - 31 Mar 2006 22:00 GMT
Does the name Lee Iococca mean anything?

It is all about management, or lack of it, or rising to the level of
incompetence.

a
==

>IMO one gets a good bang for their buck with GM products - I just bought
>one.  <negotiating seriously with the unions> - I don't think that their
>union mentality will provide for major concessions.  Unfortunately, IMO the
>only long term solution will be chap. 11.  It'll be interesting to watch the
>Delphi situation.
Gosi - 31 Mar 2006 22:12 GMT
It is the rising level of incompetence
Body Roll - 31 Mar 2006 22:12 GMT
> IMO one gets a good bang for their buck with GM products - I just bought
> one.

Whoa! You bought a Corvette? I envy you.
arthur - 31 Mar 2006 23:46 GMT
Especially the ability to afford the gasoline.  ;)

I recall the old GM Dynaflow A/T.  Worse POS ever designed and built.
Guaranteed not to survive pass 45K miles ... at best ... if only
driven by the senior church lady on Sunday.

a
==

>Whoa! You bought a Corvette? I envy you.
Mike Hunter - 01 Apr 2006 00:15 GMT
Really?  Can't prove that by me.  We have member in our antique car club
that owns several late forties end early fifty Buicks with Dynaflow trannys
the are still running great nearly 60 years later.

mike hunt

> Especially the ability to afford the gasoline.  ;)
>
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>
>>Whoa! You bought a Corvette? I envy you.
arthur - 01 Apr 2006 03:07 GMT
Well, Chrysler invented the A/T.  I owned a 41 Buick Roadmaster with
dual carbs.  3 speed column shift.  Yeh the D.F. was somewhere around
1950.

The DyanFlow suffered from a sh.t pump that shredded and ate the
torque converter.  Turned the turbine blades into razors.  My buddy
was a mechanic and rebuilt them.  Been there, seen it, done it, ...
Have no need to prove facts.

Perhaps those antiques don't have original dynaflow AT?  Next time I
see one I will ask what they did to the original dynaflow.

neguhe
==

>Really?  Can't prove that by me.  We have member in our antique car club
>that owns several late forties end early fifty Buicks with Dynaflow trannys
>the are still running great nearly 60 years later.
>
>mike hunt
 
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