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Car Forum / GMC Cars / April 2006Tire pressure sensing
How do the tire pressure indicators work, specifically on the Buick LeSabre/Lucerne if it makes any difference. I was under the impression that wheel rpms were sensed and the computer looked for a difference. Thanks.... > How do the tire pressure indicators work, specifically on the Buick > LeSabre/Lucerne if it makes any difference. > > I was under the impression that wheel rpms were sensed and the > computer looked for a difference. Most of the new vehicles use pressure sensors that are integral with the valve stem in each wheel. These sensors send a signal to the tire pressure monitor (which I believe is in the drivers door module) and they sense the actual pressure in real time. Ian Here is a site that explains the wheel mounted tire pressure sensors http://www.hunter.com/pub/undercar/TECHLINK/ Group: alt.autos.gm Date: Thu, Mar 30, 2006, 4:56pm From: none@none.none (Bishoop) How do the tire pressure indicators work, specifically on the Buick LeSabre/Lucerne if it makes any difference. I was under the impression that wheel rpms were sensed and the computer looked for a difference. Thanks.... Group: alt.autos.gm Date: Thu, Mar 30, 2006, 11:39pm (EST+5) From: V_L_M@hotmail.com (shiden_kai) Most of the new vehicles use pressure sensors that are integral with the valve stem in each wheel. These sensors send a signal to the tire pressure monitor (which I believe is in the drivers door module) and they sense the actual pressure in real time. Ian %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "Sometimes, when you're up to your butt in alligators, it's hard to remember that the intial objective was to drain the swamp." ~ Unknown ~ > Here is a site that explains the wheel mounted tire pressure sensors >http://www.hunter.com/pub/undercar/TECHLINK/ I don't think BMW uses this. BMW uses logic that uses the abs sensors for input. When your tire pressure drops, the tire changes diameter slightly and this will report a different rate thru the abs sensors. >Group: alt.autos.gm Date: Thu, Mar 30, 2006, 4:56pm From: none@none.none >(Bishoop) [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >remember that the intial objective was to drain the swamp." >~ Unknown ~ Who said anything about BMW? Please reread the original post. Group: alt.autos.gm Date: Sat, Apr 1, 2006, 9:49pm (EDT-3) From: noyabusiness@yahoo.com (RT) I don't think BMW uses this. BMW uses logic that uses the abs sensors for input. When your tire pressure drops, the tire changes diameter slightly and this will report a different rate thru the abs sensors. AutoHobbyist@webtv.net (Rich B) wrote: Here is a site that explains the wheel mounted tire pressure sensors http://www.hunter.com/pub/undercar/TECHLINK/ Group: alt.autos.gm Date: Thu, Mar 30, 2006, 4:56pm From: none@none.none (Bishoop) How do the tire pressure indicators work, specifically on the Buick LeSabre/Lucerne if it makes any difference. I was under the impression that wheel rpms were sensed and the computer looked for a difference. Thanks.... Group: alt.autos.gm Date: Thu, Mar 30, 2006, 11:39pm (EST+5) From: V_L_M@hotmail.com (shiden_kai) Most of the new vehicles use pressure sensors that are integral with the valve stem in each wheel. These sensors send a signal to the tire pressure monitor (which I believe is in the drivers door module) and they sense the actual pressure in real time. Ian %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "Sometimes, when you're up to your butt in alligators, it's hard to remember that the intial objective was to drain the swamp." ~ Unknown ~ I can tell you that the system on an '05 Impala works similar to the BMW system, FWIW. nate > Who said anything about BMW? Please reread the original post. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > remember that the intial objective was to drain the swamp." > ~ Unknown ~ > I don't think BMW uses this. BMW uses logic that uses the abs sensors > for input. When your tire pressure drops, the tire changes diameter > slightly and this will report a different rate thru the abs sensors. Nobody was talking about what BMW is doing. GM also uses/used the type of system that you are describing, but it's not as accurate as the RF system used now. Ian >> I don't think BMW uses this. BMW uses logic that uses the abs sensors >> for input. When your tire pressure drops, the tire changes diameter [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >uses/used the type of system that you are describing, but it's >not as accurate as the RF system used now. Accurate ? It does not indicate the exact pressure if that's what you mean. It only warns when the pressure gets too low. That's really all you need. Good car maintenance involves checking your tire pressure at least once a month. > >> I don't think BMW uses this. BMW uses logic that uses the abs sensors > >> for input. When your tire pressure drops, the tire changes diameter [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > you need. Good car maintenance involves checking your tire pressure at > least once a month. The exact pressure is better than "too low" when it comes to tires. Many of the GM vehicles will tell you exact pressure. The only drawback is that you have to reset the system after tire rotation so the computer reports the correct tire locations. Plus the cost of the replacement stems if they get damaged. Steve W. > Accurate ? It does not indicate the exact pressure if that's what you > mean. It only warns when the pressure gets too low. That's really all > you need. Good car maintenance involves checking your tire pressure at > least once a month. Sure they do (tell you the exact pressure)! Wouldn't it be better if you actually researched the subject before making a statement like that? I work on the stupid cars every day, reset the tire monitors, "look" right at the tire pressures displayed on the DIC...etc. And of course you should check your tire pressures on a regular basis with a guage. But that's another subject. Ian Shame on you Lan for telling people that they have to check things on their vehicles. I know some who think that you should be able to use something forever without doing any maintenance at all. BTW I check my tire pressure, oil and all fluids once a week (whether it needs it or not). Group: alt.autos.gm Date: Mon, Apr 10, 2006, 7:14pm (EDT+4) From: V_L_M@hotmail.com (shiden_kai) Sure they do (tell you the exact pressure)! Wouldn't it be better if you actually researched the subject before making a statement like that? I work on the stupid cars every day, reset the tire monitors, "look" right at the tire pressures displayed on the DIC...etc. And of course you should check your tire pressures on a regular basis with a guage. But that's another subject. Ian RT wrote: Accurate ? It does not indicate the exact pressure if that's what you mean. It only warns when the pressure gets too low. That's really all you need. Good car maintenance involves checking your tire pressure at least once a month. %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% "Sometimes, when you're up to your butt in alligators, it's hard to remember that the intial objective was to drain the swamp." ~ Unknown ~ > > Accurate ? It does not indicate the exact pressure if that's what you > > mean. It only warns when the pressure gets too low. That's really all [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Ian Seems like it should be the same subject, since the latter statement contradicts the first one. I'm sure there is a good reason for it and I, for one, would like the rest of the story. Dave >> Sure they do (tell you the exact pressure)! Wouldn't it be >> better if you actually researched the subject before making [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > contradicts the first one. I'm sure there is a good reason for it and > I, for one, would like the rest of the story. I'm not sure who you are talking to, but if you are talking to me, the tire pressures are buried inside a maze of menu's, so the average owner might not even know that he has access to that info. If I owned a Caddy (or whatever other car had this system), I sure wouldn't bother using a guage....the onboard monitors are very accurate. But other folks might not think it's so accurate, so best for for them if they just check it with a good old fashioned guage. Probably will make them feel better too. Ian >>> Sure they do (tell you the exact pressure)! Wouldn't it be >>> better if you actually researched the subject before making [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >good old fashioned guage. Probably will make them feel better >too. You STILL need a good gauge when filling the tires with air. I once did not have a gauge and had to fill the tires and could only use the onboard pressure monitor in a C5 Corvette. What a pain the rear that was. The monitors lag and you have to wait a lot. >Ian > You STILL need a good gauge when filling the tires with air. I once > did not have a gauge and had to fill the tires and could only use the > onboard pressure monitor in a C5 Corvette. What a pain the rear that > was. The monitors lag and you have to wait a lot. You just proved that you "don't" need a guage. So the monitors lag....big deal...it can still be done quite accurately without a guage. Ian >> You STILL need a good gauge when filling the tires with air. I once >> did not have a gauge and had to fill the tires and could only use the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >lag....big deal...it can still be done quite accurately without a >guage. Yeah, I did. You can cut down a tree too with a swiss army knife but would you ? Trust me, I would not even attempt to do it again becuase it is trial and error and it took me a while to get it exactly at where I wanted it. >> Accurate ? It does not indicate the exact pressure if that's what you >> mean. It only warns when the pressure gets too low. That's really all [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >reset the tire monitors, "look" right at the tire pressures displayed >on the DIC...etc. I was talking about the system BMW uses and that GM has (or still is) using on some cars where it only indicates when the pressure drops 5 psi or so (don't know the exact amount). >And of course you should check your tire pressures on >a regular basis with a guage. But that's another subject. |
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