Thanks, Shep. Actually, I took the car to a tranny first, many months
ago, because
it seemed like a tranny problem. The fellow drove the car and couldn't
get it to exhibit the
problem. That's when I started posting here and picked up on the
engine miss
as the causative issue. Scanners have been put on the car many times
since, including at
the dealer, an independent shop, and myself. Only once has a code ever
been seen, and that
was after the independent put the wrong mass air flow sensor on it.
I do plan to take it back to the tranny shop, but let me ask you
something.
Will the scanner you describe give any indication of what's wrong
WHILE THE PROBLEM IS NOT BEING EXHIBITED? For understandably
reasons these
fellows don't want to spend an hour or more driving around hoping it
will do it.
Ed
> All this could have been avoided by having it scanned by a trans
> tech with a bi directional trans scanner that can command tcc and
> check for slippage errors to confirm if in fact the the or another
> internal control is at fault.
Shep - 01 Apr 2006 01:01 GMT
If the tcc is slipping or seta a history code for a tcc slippage error it
may or may not be in history the right scanner in the hands of a pro is the
key here plus the history any and symptoms, rmember he can command lock up
at any time and see what happens. Also any misfire under load generated by a
lean mixture, bad injector or ign problem will mock a tcc slippage conditio.
This can be a tough diagnosis without it doing it regularly, usually hot, up
a grade just before downshift is the best condition to generate the problem.
> Thanks, Shep. Actually, I took the car to a tranny first, many months ago,
> because
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>> slippage errors to confirm if in fact the the or another internal control
>> is at fault.
Ed - 01 Apr 2006 19:06 GMT
Shep,
Thanks again.
Any comment on the oil leak I mentioned? I.e., is the cavity
behind the side cover likely to be full of tranny fluid by now and
fouling the
TCC solenoids? If so, wouldn't that become a primary suspect in the
shudder problem?
Also, can the front seal be replaced by just removing the side cover,
or is
removal of the transaxle required?
Ed
> If the tcc is slipping or seta a history code for a tcc slippage
> error it may or may not be in history the right scanner in the hands
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> diagnosis without it doing it regularly, usually hot, up a grade
> just before downshift is the best condition to generate the problem.
Shep - 01 Apr 2006 19:24 GMT
The fluid in the side cover is not an issue relative to the solenoids.
Convertor seal requires trans removal.
> Shep,
>
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>> regularly, usually hot, up a grade just before downshift is the best
>> condition to generate the problem.
Ed - 02 Apr 2006 00:46 GMT
Shep,
One final question. Well, maybe the final one!
If this is indeed a TCC problem, as opposed to an engine miss problem,
is it likely
to be a problem with the solenoids (I believe there are 3 involved,
judging from
the AllData diagram), or is it more likely to be the clutch itself?
TIA
Ed
> The fluid in the side cover is not an issue relative to the
> solenoids. Convertor seal requires trans removal.
Shep - 02 Apr 2006 00:58 GMT
Ed these solenoids are on off units, unless the pressure is being lost
around the tcc engagement valve I don't believe the solenoid itself is going
to cause this. A scan with a trans function scanner can eliminate guess work
here as the tcc can be commanded and slippage can be observed. I know I
repeated myself but this is the proper procedure here.
> Shep,
>
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>> The fluid in the side cover is not an issue relative to the solenoids.
>> Convertor seal requires trans removal.
scrapir - 02 Apr 2006 16:47 GMT
There should be oil getting into the side cover where the solenoid is. The
front seal or also called the converter seal will need the trans out to be
replaced. At that point in time I would suggest going through the hole
trans. If you have one seal thats bad there are others that arn't far
behind.