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Car Forum / GMC Cars / June 2006

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Jonathan - 21 Jun 2006 16:27 GMT
I have a '95 Chevy Cheyenne with a Vortec 4.3 liter V-6. It currently
has 160,000 miles. The truck is in really good shape and runs excellent
until recently. I just had the ignition switch changed, and the module
on the distributor changed. The faulty ignition switch was keeping the
speedometer and tachometer from working. They sat at 0 even while
giving gas. It also caused my maint req'd light to come on. The truck
also did not start in first gear from a stop. The switch kept the
transmission from working correctly electrically.

After getting all this repaired the truck seemed to run fine until I
noticed that it was not going from fourth gear and settling into
overdrive at 50 mph. From driving the truck I can tell by sound of the
engine, and revolutions on the tach, that I am running way too high
rpm's for say 70 mph for example. I brought the truck back to the
mechanic and told them that it was not going into overdrive, and he
checked over all the work that he had done, and told me that he feared
it was an internal problem.

After taking to get another opinion they say that it is an internal
problem as well. I have been driving the truck around for about 3
months now with the diagnosed "internal problem" on the tranny with
no other problems but higher engine revolutions and less mpg's. I am
about to get it overhauled, but wanted to know if it could possibly be
an electrical problem, and not a mechanical problem with the
transmission at all.

If anyone could offer some advice/ knowledge/ information before I sink
some big bucks into getting this transmission overhauled I would
greatly appreciate it.

Thanks, Jonathan
Shep - 22 Jun 2006 00:18 GMT
This needs to be scanned on a trans capable scanner to confirm the o/d shift
solenoid operation and tcc operation, if the  electronics in the unit check
ok, it's coming out.
>I have a '95 Chevy Cheyenne with a Vortec 4.3 liter V-6. It currently
> has 160,000 miles. The truck is in really good shape and runs excellent
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>
> Thanks, Jonathan
Al Bundy - 22 Jun 2006 14:09 GMT
> I have a '95 Chevy Cheyenne with a Vortec 4.3 liter V-6. It currently
> has 160,000 miles. The truck is in really good shape and runs excellent
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
>
> Thanks, Jonathan
If it's performing fine I think you are wasting your money having the
transmission overhauled. It may not go into overdrive when it's
overhauled. Now are you sure you mean overdrive or the lockup torque
converter? If the engine is low on power or the transmission module
senses low power for some reason, it will not lock up and go into
overdrive either. When you are talking about this much money, diagnosis
is the key. Since you are driving OK, I'd look for a third opinion.
sdlomi2 - 23 Jun 2006 02:40 GMT
>> I have a '95 Chevy Cheyenne with a Vortec 4.3 liter V-6. It currently
>> has 160,000 miles. The truck is in really good shape and runs excellent
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> overdrive either. When you are talking about this much money, diagnosis
> is the key. Since you are driving OK, I'd look for a third opinion.

   Al, I wondered same thing, but I have a 2003 S10, 4.3 L, 4L60E trans
(should be same trans in his truck).  At 55mph & on a level road & level
accelerator, it turns like 1600 rpm IN lockup mode and  1900 rpm OUT OF
lockup mode--both scenarios IN od.  I don't think he'd notice approx. 400
rpm difference due to lack of lockup at 70 where he describes it as   "way
too high rpm's for say 70 mph".  He must be noticing the lack of overdrive,
approx. 700 rpm difference ( At 70 & NO od, mine would turn ~ 2400 rpm; at
70 & IN od, it'd turn ~70% X 2400, or about 1700---a difference of ~700 rpm:
both IN lockup.  Both trannies have a 70% od gear-reduction.).
   I think your thinking and mine are in synch--a loose wire?  poor
connection?  defective solenoid?  blown fuse?!?!  Something simple to be
pinpointed NOW via a proper scan would be much cheaper than an unnecessary
rebuild and THEN finding that poor connection.
   Luck to you, Jonathan.  Pay attention to Al & Shep & find the simple
solution via a 3rd opinion, or 4th.  Too coincidental that your od quit
right after you had the ign. switch and distributor module work done.  I
don't think your trans needs a rebuild just now!  s
Jonathan - 23 Jun 2006 20:41 GMT
Hey, thanks alot you guys. I am definatly trying to get lined up with
an allison certified repairman(even though I know mine isn't an
allison) I am going to ask him to run  the electrical checks ya'll are
talking about before I drop 1300 benjamin's. FYI: My truck usually runs
at about 1600/1700 rpm's at 70. Now at 70mph they hold at about
2000/2100. As I go up hill they increase with out downshift to about
2400/2500. I really appreciate all the advise, and I will keep in touch
with anything that the repairman tells me.

-Jonathan

> >> I have a '95 Chevy Cheyenne with a Vortec 4.3 liter V-6. It currently
> >> has 160,000 miles. The truck is in really good shape and runs excellent
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> right after you had the ign. switch and distributor module work done.  I
> don't think your trans needs a rebuild just now!  s
 
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