I realize that it will be hard to do (restore a bit of faith
in GM's engineering), but here is a bit of info on this
particular engine, found in the Impala.
We had one of these apart the other day, it bent a rod
due to being driven thru a large body of water (we had
some sort of flash flood the other day in our city). Engine
ingested water and bent the rod.
This is the code N 3500 engine, which uses the variable
valve timing (on a camshaft in block design, no less!).
While it was apart, we noticed that GM has completely
changed the design of the cooling system. The intake is
dry, there are "no" cooling ports in the cylinder heads, and
they have moved to an external water crossover system that
is the same design that the Northstar has used for years.
No more intake related problems on this engine. At least
as far as coolant getting into the oil. I took a couple of pictures
of the intake gasket and head gasket. Just for interests sake.
http://members.shaw.ca/ianrmac/Images/DSC03280.JPG
http://members.shaw.ca/ianrmac/Images/DSC03282.JPG
http://members.shaw.ca/ianrmac/Images/DSC03284.JPG
Note that there is another 3500 engine (code 8) that comes
in the Malibu. That one does not have the variable cam
timing and still has the older wet intake design. Why GM
just doesn't drop it and put the code N in all the cars is
beyond me. Probably need to get rid of the stock first.
So I guess the moral of the story would be to buy an Impala
instead of a Malibu....(if you even want to buy GM in the
first place)
Ian
diablo - 07 Aug 2006 02:10 GMT
>I realize that it will be hard to do (restore a bit of faith
> in GM's engineering), but here is a bit of info on this
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>
> Ian
Ian, Is that the same motor that they're putting in the G6? I've rented a
few of them lately and they run pretty darn good.
Brian
shiden_kai - 07 Aug 2006 15:57 GMT
> Ian, Is that the same motor that they're putting in the G6? I've
> rented a few of them lately and they run pretty darn good.
>
> Brian
No, that's the code 8 engine. But yes, they are excellent
engines when it comes to power. I just don't think I'd want
to deal with any "coolant in the oil" problems anymore. That
kind of design is outdated and shouldn't be around anymore.
Of course, as a mechanic who makes money off of GM's
screw-ups....I'm mildly disappointed to see the wet manifold
go away. (grin)
Ian
Ian
diablo - 07 Aug 2006 23:53 GMT
>> Ian, Is that the same motor that they're putting in the G6? I've
>> rented a few of them lately and they run pretty darn good.
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> Ian
Hey, ya gotta eat! <BG>
Brian
grappletech - 17 Aug 2006 03:17 GMT
I rented an '05 Malibu with this engine (wet intake version) last year for
a 2 week California vacation. Loved the car and engine, but it did run hot
once. The temp guage suddenly went half way between the red and the mid
mark. I pulled into a parking lot right away and let it cool off. Never
did it again. Perhaps a fan issue or a bubble in the cooling system. I
bet most people who rented a car and it did that, they'd just keep on
driving until the gasket blew, then call the rental agency and complain
about "this piece of sh.t car you rented me!"
Al Haunts - 07 Aug 2006 10:07 GMT
>I realize that it will be hard to do (restore a bit of faith
>in GM's engineering), but here is a bit of info on this
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>
>Ian
We just bought an 06 Impala LTZ with the 3900 (vin code 1). The new
'dry' intake design was a deciding factor. Especially after spending
2 days in the driveway a couple of years back at -10 C, replacing the
intake gaskets on the 3100 in our Malibu.
Just turned 1000 km in the new ride. Too early to tell, but so far,
so good.
Al