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bus67 - 15 Aug 2006 16:04 GMT
Exactly how many different keys does GM make for its vehicles?
Weird - 15 Aug 2006 18:01 GMT
Exactly the right amount?

What a stupid open ended question.

> Exactly how many different keys does GM make for its vehicles?
bus67 - 15 Aug 2006 18:20 GMT
It was poorly worded. I produce a talk show and a caller had stated that GM
only makes a certain amount of keys for all their different models. My host
wanted to know how many different types of keys they make to fit their
vehicles. The caller had suggested that some models from different divisions,
say the Chevy Blazer and it's GMC counterpart, had a similarly designed key
or key makeup. Sorry if my terminology is incorrect. But basically basically
we were trying to find out if that's true and if it is how many different
keys or key styles are made.

>Exactly the right amount?
>
>What a stupid open ended question.
>
>> Exactly how many different keys does GM make for its vehicles?
diablo - 16 Aug 2006 00:51 GMT
> It was poorly worded. I produce a talk show and a caller had stated that
> GM
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>>
>>> Exactly how many different keys does GM make for its vehicles?

So contact a GM PR person.
Edwin Pawlowski - 16 Aug 2006 00:58 GMT
> It was poorly worded. I produce a talk show and a caller had stated that
> GM
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> we were trying to find out if that's true and if it is how many different
> keys or key styles are made.

I don't have a clue today, but years ago, it was common to take the key from
a 55 Chevy and find it fits in a 58 Olds or other GM car.  I'm sure that has
improved with technology of keys and locks.
Steve W. - 16 Aug 2006 22:07 GMT
> It was poorly worded. I produce a talk show and a caller had stated that GM
> only makes a certain amount of keys for all their different models. My host
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>>
>>> Exactly how many different keys does GM make for its vehicles?

The answer is.... IT DEPENDS. GM has at least 8 standard ignition blanks
and 6 door blanks in the 2 key system and 4 in the double bit single
key. Toss in the passkey blanks with 15 different resistor values and
the newer transponder keys and they add up. Then if you look at the
imports sold as GMs you can add at least 4 more blanks. Those are just
the blanks. Now add in the 5-10 cuts for each blank type and that there
are also 7 different depths for each of those cuts and you end up with a
LOT of combinations. That being said YES different models may take the
same blanks, and without a doubt there are vehicles out there that have
the same key.

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Near Cooperstown, New York

Life is not like a box of chocolates
it's more like a jar of jalapenos-
what you do today could burn your a.s tomorrow!

bus67 - 16 Aug 2006 22:51 GMT
Thanks for the information. Sorry I didn't phrase my question better in the
first place.

>> It was poorly worded. I produce a talk show and a caller had stated that GM
>> only makes a certain amount of keys for all their different models. My host
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>same blanks, and without a doubt there are vehicles out there that have
>the same key.
=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?= - 16 Aug 2006 01:28 GMT
> Exactly how many different keys does GM make for its vehicles?

Exactly two.
One for the ignition
and one for the trunk.
ACP - 16 Aug 2006 12:59 GMT
"« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
=?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> Exactly how many different keys does GM make for its vehicles?
>
> Exactly two.
> One for the ignition
> and one for the trunk.

Ummm.  As far back as I can remember (1950's), on my GM cars "one" key
operated the doors, ignition and the trunk.
Roy - 16 Aug 2006 15:17 GMT
> "« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
> =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Ummm.  As far back as I can remember (1950's), on my GM cars "one" key
> operated the doors, ignition and the trunk.
Think for a sec, one square for ignition and a round one for the trunk.
ACP - 16 Aug 2006 17:38 GMT
>> "« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
>> =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> operated the doors, ignition and the trunk.
> Think for a sec, one square for ignition and a round one for the trunk.

Boy o' boy.  It's hell to get old.  Well at least the last several GM's have
needed only one key.

Thanks for straightening out an old feeble minded geezer!
Edwin Pawlowski - 17 Aug 2006 02:38 GMT
"Roy" <Roy@home.net> wrote in message
>> Ummm.  As far back as I can remember (1950's), on my GM cars "one" key
>> operated the doors, ignition and the trunk.
> Think for a sec, one square for ignition and a round one for the trunk.

IIRC, GM used the same key for doors and ignition.  I used to carry a single
key in my wallet as a spare for that reason, but others used a different key
for the doors and ignition
80 Knight - 16 Aug 2006 19:59 GMT
"« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
=?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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>> Exactly how many different keys does GM make for its vehicles?
>
> Exactly two.
> One for the ignition
> and one for the trunk.

Unless you have a newer model. My '96 Bonnie has 2 keys, but my '01 Montana
has 1.
=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?= - 17 Aug 2006 02:23 GMT
> "« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
> =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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> Unless you have a newer model. My '96 Bonnie has 2 keys, but my '01 Montana
> has 1.

Yeah.  I rent a GM about once a month and they all have One Key.
But two sounded better.
80 Knight - 17 Aug 2006 10:41 GMT
"« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
=?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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80 Knight wrote:

> "« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
> =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Montana
> has 1.

Yeah.  I rent a GM about once a month and they all have One Key.
But two sounded better.

True, true. I usually like the 2 key's better anyhow. I always keep a door
key in my wallet, just in case I lock the regular keys in the ignition. My
van key is rather large to keep in a wallet (at least the head is anyhow,
and I don't feel like getting another PKIII key made).
ROY BRAGG - 17 Aug 2006 22:46 GMT
In 1974 some GM cars had 3 keys, one for the door, another for ignition, and
glove box and trunk (glad that was short lived).  Later models had the
ignition by itself, and the other key worked everything else (doors, trunk &
glovebox). This is true of my 92 Lumina, but my Impala has one.
Roy
"« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
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80 Knight wrote:

> "« Paul »" <"=?x-user-defined?Q?=AB?= Paul
> =?x-user-defined?Q?=BB?="@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> Montana
> has 1.

Yeah.  I rent a GM about once a month and they all have One Key.
But two sounded better.
William H. Bowen - 18 Aug 2006 00:48 GMT
This thread brings back some old memories I'd just as soon forget . .

In the old days GM used a single key for all locks and used a 4-year
cycle for key cuts - the keys from say a 1955 GM car would NOT fit a
1956 but would fit a 1959 (I'm talking about just the act of sliding
the key into the lock, not if the key would turn, which is dependent
on the tumbler coding).

 They continued this setup until 1969, when they converted to a 2-key
system (doors & ignition on one key, glove and trunk on a different
key with a different groove cut). In 1972 the key layout was changed
again after GM had a rash of cars being stolen from dealer lots and
storage - the "square" key was ignition only, the "round" key was
doors, glove and trunk.

 I remember that changeover well: I was in college working for a
Buick dealer and changed out the door locks on over 200 cars (that was
NOT a fun job, especially on Electras and Riverias): the door locks
where changed to match the existing trunk/glove locks. Some GM
divisions did that change differently: they changed out the ignition
cylinders, hence some 1972~1974 cars with 3 keys (I think that idea
was to use up existing stocks of door locks with the "square key"
groove cut).

 The 2 key system continued until the late 1990s when GM converted to
the present 2-sided key cut with the PassKey III system and only 1 key
for all locks. If my memory serves me, the "W" body cars where the
first ones converted to the new system.

 Personally I like the 2-key PassKey II system like I have on my 1994
Buick. On the other hand, the 1969-1972 2-key system had the advantage
that one could lock the glove box and trunk, give just the square key
to a parking lot attendent so they could open the doors and start to
car to move it if necessary, but keep the trunk and glove box secure.
With that system you only had to have one spare key in your wallet to
open the car and start it (but it also made those cars easier to
steal).

 When it comes down to it, ANY locking system can be compromised,
even fancy electronic locks (and transponder keys - I've heard reports
that Honda transponder keys are VERY easy to "hack").

Regards,
 Bill Bowen
 Sacramento, CA  

>In 1974 some GM cars had 3 keys, one for the door, another for ignition, and
>glove box and trunk (glad that was short lived).  Later models had the
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>Yeah.  I rent a GM about once a month and they all have One Key.
>But two sounded better.
ROY BRAGG - 27 Aug 2006 07:51 GMT
My 92 Lumina has 2 keys, but my 2000 Impala has one.  However, both cars
have live remote trunk lock switches so the trunk can be opened by anyone if
the car is unlocked.
Roy
> This thread brings back some old memories I'd just as soon forget . .
>
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>>Yeah.  I rent a GM about once a month and they all have One Key.
>>But two sounded better.
Edwin Pawlowski - 27 Aug 2006 14:00 GMT
> My 92 Lumina has 2 keys, but my 2000 Impala has one.  However, both cars
> have live remote trunk lock switches so the trunk can be opened by anyone
> if the car is unlocked.
> Roy

Used to be you had a different key to lock the trunk release out, good for
when using valet parking.  But that cost $1 so it was eliminated.
80 Knight - 28 Aug 2006 02:42 GMT
>> My 92 Lumina has 2 keys, but my 2000 Impala has one.  However, both cars
>> have live remote trunk lock switches so the trunk can be opened by anyone
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Used to be you had a different key to lock the trunk release out, good for
> when using valet parking.  But that cost $1 so it was eliminated.

My old 1990 and 1991 Bonneville's both had electric trunk releases inside
the glove box, but you had to have the ignition on to use them. I always
thought it was a pain in the a.s.
Edwin Pawlowski - 28 Aug 2006 04:35 GMT
"80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEMEPLEASE@rogers.com> wrote in message
> My old 1990 and 1991 Bonneville's both had electric trunk releases inside
> the glove box, but you had to have the ignition on to use them. I always
> thought it was a pain in the a.s.

My 91 Regal has it in the glove box, but no ignition needed.  Just push the
button.  I just dislike the location from a convenience POV since you have
to reach across the front passenger.
William H. Bowen - 28 Aug 2006 06:32 GMT
>"80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEMEPLEASE@rogers.com> wrote in message
>> My old 1990 and 1991 Bonneville's both had electric trunk releases inside
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>button.  I just dislike the location from a convenience POV since you have
>to reach across the front passenger.

Edwin,

 My '94 Regal is the same, but I have the remote keyless entry, so I
use it instead of having to open the glove box.

Bill
80 Knight - 28 Aug 2006 06:56 GMT
> "80 Knight" <80_knightREMOVEMEPLEASE@rogers.com> wrote in message
>> My old 1990 and 1991 Bonneville's both had electric trunk releases inside
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> the button.  I just dislike the location from a convenience POV since you
> have to reach across the front passenger.

That's true. But, I'm not sure if I love the placement of it in my '96
Bonneville either. Right on the driver's door.
William H. Bowen - 28 Aug 2006 06:30 GMT
>>> My 92 Lumina has 2 keys, but my 2000 Impala has one.  However, both cars
>>> have live remote trunk lock switches so the trunk can be opened by anyone
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>the glove box, but you had to have the ignition on to use them. I always
>thought it was a pain in the a.s.

My 1987 Olds 98 was that way: the 1994 Buick Regal I have now has a
constantly live trunk release switch in the glove box. The new system
is less of a pain in the butt but a lot less secure. Oh well . . .
that's "progress".

Regards,
 Bill Bowen
 Sacramento, CA
80 Knight - 28 Aug 2006 06:58 GMT
>>>> My 92 Lumina has 2 keys, but my 2000 Impala has one.  However, both
>>>> cars
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> is less of a pain in the butt but a lot less secure. Oh well . . .
> that's "progress".

I don't know about your Regal, but on my '96 Bonnie, there is a button in
the trunk which lock's out the power trunk release button inside the car.
The Keyless Entry remote will still unlock the trunk, as will the key, but
the button inside the car won't. Can be helpful, but I just leave mine off.
If someone *really* wants to get into your trunk, it doesn't really matter
what you do.
 
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