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Car Forum / GMC Cars / August 2006No new car today
With 0% financing from GM I thought I see if there were any bargains around on the '06 models, Lucerne in particular. A good deal would get me to buy today instead of December/January as planned. I found a possible auto through the Buick web page at a dealer about 20 miles from me. Not exactly what I wanted, but close enough at the right price. So, I headed out to go see if it was still available. The sales manager told me it was just sold a half hour ago. It was listed there for at least a week, not it was gone just minutes before I arrived. So, we talked about other possibilities and he found another car that was very close to my ideal. I asked about the price and he told me they sell at the sticker price. I know the margins have dwindled from years ago, but sticker price? I walked and he did not care. He wouldn't budge even a hundred bucks. > With 0% financing from GM I thought I see if there were any bargains around > on the '06 models, Lucerne in particular. A good deal would get me to buy [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I know the margins have dwindled from years ago, but sticker price? I > walked and he did not care. He wouldn't budge even a hundred bucks. Try a different dealer. I looked all over the Southwest and ended up going to St. Louis to buy my truck. The butt heads here would not even talk to me. One AH told me since I looked on Internet he knew he couldn't make any money. He was the frigging sales manager. In 87 I bought a new 5.0 Mustang. Talked to Ford's zone office and they gave me the name of a dealer in OK. to talk to. I had him fax me a quote. Took it to both Ford dealers here and a number of them in Phoenix. None would deal at all. So I ended up at a small dealer about 20 miles South of here. In 89 I decide to trade it in on a new one. Same story. Except I had to go a lot farther. Al Here is my take on it. I live in the DFW area. I know dealers who sell 300/400 cars/trucks a week. They sell these cars at the invoice price and still make at least 3% of the MSRP, because that is what the manufacturer rebates to the dealer to pay for its share of advertising. Other dealers want or need to make several thousand dollars per vehicle and don't sell near as many as the dealers above. All in all the profit comes out about the same. There has to be a big population nearby to be able to sell at invoice. > Here is my take on it. I live in the DFW area. I know dealers who sell > 300/400 cars/trucks a week. They sell these cars at the invoice price and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > the same. There has to be a big population nearby to be able to sell at > invoice. I expect to pay a little more local than a huge dealer, but damned if I'm going to pay list. Still plenty of dealers around, including one I've bought my last three cars from. I was looking for a comparison to see if he was still viable and seems as though he will be. I'd rather buy from him with a $200 premium over the mega-dealer, but when you get to $1000, that is a lot of premium that is better in my pocket.  SignatureEd http://pages.cthome.net/edhome/ >> With 0% financing from GM I thought I see if there were any bargains > around [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Al I know several salesmen, and they dislike it when they work with someone showing them cars and coming up with a deal to fit their budget, and then the person takes this deal and shops it around to other dealers looking for the lowest price, then the customer gets a lower offer from them, and then they shop this deal around. Like an auction. I haven't had to deal or haggle for cars for 5 years. My wife works at a new car dealership, so we get cars for cost -- used or new cars. In 2000 before marrying, I needed a car. There was a Chrysler-Jeep dealership that had this female saleslady that was real upfront and honest and nice. So I decided to buy my small car from her. I was torn between a '99 Saturn SL1 and a '98 Ford Contour. I decided on the Ford and the sales manager went off and put all my info. into their computer for the credit check/financing. He came back after half an hour and said I was approved. But then I told him I wanted the Saturn instead. He got pissed off and chewed me out because he'd have to "go back in and change all the information!" I told him "why? the cars are the same price! Just change the VIN # and make and model on the deal." "Our computer system isn't set-up like that, I have to start over and re- enter all the data!" "Not my fault; buy different computer software", I said. For chewing me out, I demanded a $500 lower price on the Saturn or else I'd go elsewhere to buy. Don't let these chumps push you around. You're the customer. Don't ever let them bully you into buying. Just walk. >>> I found a possible auto through the Buick web page at a dealer about >>> 20 miles from me. Not exactly what I wanted, but close enough at the [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> I know the margins have dwindled from years ago, but sticker price? >>> I walked and he did not care. He wouldn't budge even a hundred bucks. A Buick dealer holding firm on price HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. You were smart to walk away. John "grappletech" <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in message > I know several salesmen, and they dislike it when they work with someone > showing them cars and coming up with a deal to fit their budget, and > then the person takes this deal and shops it around to other dealers > looking for the lowest price, then the customer gets a lower offer from > them, and then they shop this deal around. Like an auction. It would piss me off to spend an hour or two showing cars and then have the customer walk for the sake of a few dollars. But, how many can sell a car in less than 5 minutes? My daughter was going to buy her first new car. While I was at work, she went to a local Ford dealer and found an Escort that was suitable for her. At the time, sticker was in the $6500 range IIRC. She talked to the salesman, drove the car, etc. He gave her a price. When I got home, she wanted me to go see the car and I agreed, even before dinner. The salesman was not there, but another let me drive the car and I did. With checkbook sticking out of my pocket we sat down and I asked the price. Sales guy said it was quoted at $XXX (about $100 below sticker). I replied, "yes but now I'm ready to buy so what is the real price" Long sad tale of invoice price, making a profit etc followed. I said "sorry, but that is not good enough." and walked. Now I have disappointed daughter, still no dinner yet, upset wife, even the dog was PO'd at me. Daughter says "it's my money so why can't I buy it?". I replied "because I'm co-signing and you can do better." After eating a now overdone porkchop by myself, I remember a dealer about 10 miles away. Off we go and find the exact same car, exact same sticker price. Saleswoman comes out and want to make small talk, offers test drive, etc. I just told her to give me her best price, something I'm comfortable with, and I'd write the check. Inside we go, a couple of minutes later she gives me a price $600 less that first dealer. I write check and deal is done. No haggling, no fuss, no mess. Two days later the original sales guy calls and asks why daughter has not come back. She told him the story and he said, "you should have come back, we could have done better." She replied, "you should have done better up front and you would have had a sale." Her next purchase a few years later was on her own. As he go up to walk out of the dealership after getting a price the salesman stopped her and asked if she bought a car before. She told him yes, her father taught her and his price was not even worth talking further. At many hundred dollars less, she made the buy. If you think car buying is fun, try buying new forklift trucks. These guys were beating each other up for $25 at a time right in my office. One on the phone with his sales manager. I just sat back and finally bought the Toyota over the Yale. Bought three more since at the same price level. These guys make money on service as they do all four trucks each quarter. > "grappletech" <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in message >> I know several salesmen, and they dislike it when they work with [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > price level. These guys make money on service as they do all four > trucks each quarter. Good points. A lot of people fall victim to the "so how much do you want your monthly payment to be?" question from the salesman. So if the customer says "$250" for a car that they could really get for $180/month then the salesman and the dealership makes more money off the deal. And the finance co. gets a higher APR. The whole buying and selling of cars thing is a major pain in the a.s. We live in a somewhat economically slow area of the country, and selling used cars privately is a pain in the a.s around here. Skinflint cheapskates galore. Last car I sold was my wife's dealer maintained (since new) 1994 Buick LeSabre with the great 3800 V6. It only had 90K miles, loaded with EVERY option, ran perfect, every service performed on time and had all receipts in the glove box, and looked very nice. Blue book Private Party was like $2100. I was lucky to finally sell it for $1500 to some creep who kept asking me: "if it's such a great car, why are you selling it?". Dumbasses would call and say "would you take $1000 Cash for it?" In hindsight I should have kept it for use as a winter car to drive on the salty roads. "grappletech" <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in message > Blue book Private Party was like > $2100. I was lucky to finally sell it for $1500 to some creep who kept > asking me: "if it's such a great car, why are you selling it?". > Dumbasses would call and say "would you take $1000 Cash for it?" In > hindsight I should have kept it for use as a winter car to drive on the > salty roads. The thoughts of private selling is enough to make one ill. I have a '91 Regal that I'd give away before trying to sell it. Only reason I'm hesitant to give it away is because if the new "owner" does not transfer title I could end up with liability for an abandoned car or who knows what. Good engine and trans, tires, battery. Other stuff is starting to go, as would be expected after 15 years. I'd have to pay about $1200 to bring it up to the book value of $845. OTOH, a motorhead teenager can put the new exhaust (still the original), brake caliper and have it pass safety inspection and drivable. AC is more costly. Radio is not always working properly, but a kid would put in a $1000 stereo anyway. > "grappletech" <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in message >> Blue book Private Party was like [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > not always working properly, but a kid would put in a $1000 stereo > anyway. Does your state's DMV have a form to fill out that eliminates your responsibility for a car? Or you could take the person you give the Regal to down to the DMV and have the title/registration changed to their name right then and there. If the person doesn't want to do that, tell them "well you won't get the car then." About 6 years ago, I knew a homeless guy named Keith (somewhat schizophrenic and on SSI) who needed a vehicle. I sold him a nice early 1990's Buick LeSabre (3800 V6) that ran perfect for $600. Only thing wrong with it was one of the fenders was mangled a bit, but I bent it basically into shape and put a new turn signal on it. I took him down to the DMV, he passed the driver's test and got his license, and then we put the car in his name. "grappletech" <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in message > Does your state's DMV have a form to fill out that eliminates your > responsibility for a car? Or you could take the person you give the > Regal to down to the DMV and have the title/registration changed to > their name right then and there. If the person doesn't want to do that, > tell them "well you won't get the car then." That is probably the best thing. At work, we have some people that work through a temp service. Language barriers, education barriers, etc, but they are good hard working people that would have an easier life if they had transportation. I don't know if they could pay for insurance and transfer easily. While I'd like to help, I don'twant to end up with a liability. I'll check the DMV though, never thought about that. Why would one ever even think of selling, or giving away, a car without going to the proper agency to transfer the title? mike hunt . > The thoughts of private selling is enough to make one ill. I have a '91 > Regal that I'd give away before trying to sell it. Only reason I'm > hesitant to give it away is because if the new "owner" does not transfer > title I could end up with liability for an abandoned car or who knows > what. > Why would one ever even think of selling, or giving away, a car without > going to the proper agency to transfer the title? Perhaps for title transfer, but not for registration. If a car needs some work and the recipient wants to do it over time, why register the car, pay for tags, property taxes, etc while the car sits in a garage for six months? You can register and get a temp tag for some period of time (I think it is 15 days here), but if you need 30 or 60 days to tinker, that is a PITA. Or even, in this case, to save up the $$ for insurance costs. I'm not thinking of giving it to people with high cash flow, but someone that will have to take a while to complete the registration process financially. There may also be two states involved making it a bigger PITA. No wonder you are easily confused, you talk in circles. Once one properly transfers the title one no longer has any liability in connection with that vehicle. mike >> Why would one ever even think of selling, or giving away, a car without >> going to the proper agency to transfer the title? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > financially. There may also be two states involved making it a bigger > PITA. > Why would one ever even think of selling, or giving away, a car without > going to the proper agency to transfer the title? In many states it is not a matter of going to a "proper agency". It's simply a matter of signing the forms and mailing them to the DMV office in the capitol city offices. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net To properly transfer a title, the legal owner(s) must appear with the title in front of a certified agent who requires proof that the person(s) signing is indeed the owner(s). Once ownership is proven and the title signed by the buyer and seller, a temporary certificate is issued by the authorized agent, to the buyer, and the surrendered title and notarized paperwork is sent to the state. The state mails a new title, in the new owners name, to the new owner or the lien holder if there is a lien. If what you believe to be true were actually true anybody could do what you suggest and transfer title to your, car from you to them ;) mike hunt >> Why would one ever even think of selling, or giving away, a car without >> going to the proper agency to transfer the title? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > in > the capitol city offices. > To properly transfer a title, the legal owner(s) must appear with the title > in front of a certified agent who requires proof that the person(s) signing [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If what you believe to be true were actually true anybody could do what you > suggest and transfer title to your, car from you to them ;) You obviously know nothing about how it works in the state of NY. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net >> To properly transfer a title, the legal owner(s) must appear with the > title [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > You obviously know nothing about how it works in the state of NY. Motor vehicle laws are different in every state. That's one area that the Feds haven't gotten their meathooks into "yet". But they probably will. Funny, the Constitution only gives a few powers to the Feds -- war power to protect the nation, regulate interstate commerce which was meant to keep one state from unfairly disallowing imports from other states or charging huge tariffs, but this clause has since been bastardized thus giving the Feds power over virtually EVERYTHING. The feds created federal drug laws by invoking the interstate commerce clause. What's wrong with letting each state decide if they want certain drugs to be legal? Then if you take the drugs into a state where they are illegal, then you can get busted in THAT state. Sorry to get on my soapbox. I just hate to see all of our freedoms taken away in this race to a Big Brother type existence. I'm a libertarian. Drugs and other activities should be legal. If drugs are legal; then drugs become cheap. So if a junkie wants to go down to Walgreen's and buy 20 pounds of heroin for $30. Then he overdoses, then hell, problem solved! Ok, I'm off my soapbox now. :-) Actually title laws in every state, are quite similar. The sellers signature must be verified and notarized as that of the actual owner(s) before a title can be legally transferred, period. Any other method voids that title as a instrument for transfer of ownership. ;) mike hunt >>> To properly transfer a title, the legal owner(s) must appear with the >> title [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Motor vehicle laws are different in every state. Actually I do, I've sold thousands of vehicles in NY and surrounding states and it 'works; exactly as I stated. ;) mike hunt >> To properly transfer a title, the legal owner(s) must appear with the > title [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > You obviously know nothing about how it works in the state of NY. > Actually I do, I've sold thousands of vehicles in NY and surrounding states > and it 'works; exactly as I stated. ;) > > mike hunt I'm sorry Mike - but you are full of sh.t. I live here, I've bought and sold many cars over my lifetime and I have never - not even once, had to appear with the other party before any agency at all - not even a notary public. Please Mike - you delight in making an a.s of yourself on usenet and that's your pergoative, but you really should limit just how much and how often you expose yourself. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net Ya right ;) mike hunt >> Actually I do, I've sold thousands of vehicles in NY and surrounding > states [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > you > expose yourself. > To properly transfer a title, the legal owner(s) must appear with the title > in front of a certified agent who requires proof that the person(s) signing [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > If what you believe to be true were actually true anybody could do what you > suggest and transfer title to your, car from you to them ;) "anybody" would have to have my title in their possesion, first. Then, he/she would have to forge my signature on it. Then he/she would go to jail. :) Dave That is exactly correct. There are plenty of 'anybodys' that have access to your VIN and title number. All they need to do is apply for a duplicate title with another address and they will have your title in their position.. Getting a title is not necessarily difficult. What prevents those 'anybodys' from actually transferring YOUR title is the fact they can not easily prove they are you when they sign the title in front of an authorized agent to have a new title issued in the name of other. That is the point of title security. mike hunt >> To properly transfer a title, the legal owner(s) must appear with the > title [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Dave > That is exactly correct. There are plenty of 'anybodys' that have > access to your VIN and title number. All they need to do is apply for [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] >> >> Dave Similar issue: My mother-in-law passed away a year ago and was living in a nursing home at the time. We went to pick up her motorized scooter. Turns out the medical equipment rental co. had picked it up. We called and said "give us back our scooter. Our mother paid for that scooter -- like $1800 or so, from a different company." They said "it's our scooter, its serial number is on our records as a rental unit." So apparently, when they went there to fetch other equipment, they saw the scooter and wrote down the serial number of the scooter on their paperwork and thus stole our scooter. We found our sales paperwork for the scooter but the serial number wasn't listed anywhere. Word to the wise. Keep track of serial numbers on your pricey stuff. Or you might get ripped off by dumbass/unscrupulous co's. I am still pissed off about that. It's mainly the principal of the matter, not just the scooter. But having the scooter would have been nice, as we have another relative who can barely walk. > To properly transfer a title, the legal owner(s) must appear with the > title in front of a certified agent who requires proof that the person(s) > signing is indeed the owner(s). Bullshit. I've bought and sold many cars and never had to appear in front of an agent or prove anything. May vary in your state, but not in any that I've lived in. Ya right mike >> To properly transfer a title, the legal owner(s) must appear with the >> title in front of a certified agent who requires proof that the person(s) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > of an agent or prove anything. May vary in your state, but not in any > that I've lived in. > > To properly transfer a title, the legal owner(s) must appear with the > > title in front of a certified agent who requires proof that the person(s) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > an agent or prove anything. May vary in your state, but not in any that > I've lived in. Quite true. I've bought and sold a number of cars in at least 5 different states and have never had to 'appear' anywhere. Some states do require seller/owner signature verification on the owner transfer section of the title, but that's what a Notary Public is for. DUH a notary Public IS an authorized transfer agent. Try showing up at one WITHOUT the seller, and with the sellers section of the title already signed, and see what happens LOL mike hunt >> > To properly transfer a title, the legal owner(s) must appear with the >> > title in front of a certified agent who requires proof that the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > do require seller/owner signature verification on the owner transfer > section of the title, but that's what a Notary Public is for. In Ontario (don't know about other provinces), that's how we do it. I sign my paperwork for my car over to the new buyer, and he/she takes it into a driver and vehicle center, where they change everything over and give him/her a new copy of the ownership, in his/her name. > DUH a notary Public IS an authorized transfer agent. Try showing up at > one WITHOUT the seller, and with the sellers section of the title already [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] >> do require seller/owner signature verification on the owner transfer >> section of the title, but that's what a Notary Public is for. > DUH a notary Public IS an authorized transfer agent. Try showing up at one > WITHOUT the seller, and with the sellers section of the title already > signed, and see what happens LOL > > mike hunt No MYKUNTer, you're obfuscating the matter as usual; the Seller signs the title transfer part IN THE PRESCENCE of a Notary Public, who then affixes his/her seal testifying that the signature is genuine. After that, it's ONLY necessary for the buyer to go to the courthouse, and the Seller needs no further involvement. Further, some States don't even require the Seller's signature to be validated by a Notary; I know that Indiana didn't in '98 when I SOLD a car there, and Oklahoma didn't in '77 when I BOUGHT a car there. > >> > To properly transfer a title, the legal owner(s) must appear with the > >> > title in front of a certified agent who requires proof that the [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > do require seller/owner signature verification on the owner transfer > > section of the title, but that's what a Notary Public is for. Precisely my point, dummy mike hunt >> DUH a notary Public IS an authorized transfer agent. Try showing up at >> one [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> > person(s) >> >> > signing is indeed the owner(s). > Precisely my point, dummy > > mike hunt What IS your point, IDIOT? > >> DUH a notary Public IS an authorized transfer agent. Try showing up at > >> one [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > >> >> > person(s) > >> >> > signing is indeed the owner(s). . Skinflint cheapskates galore. Last car I sold > was > my wife's dealer maintained (since new) 1994 Buick LeSabre with the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > asking me: "if it's such a great car, why are you selling it?". > Dumbasses would call and say "would you take $1000 Cash for it?" I love listing a car, at a fair price, and then you get all kinda time wasters, who are too lazy to come LOOK and DRIVE the car, but they wanna give you $1,000 for it sight unseen buncha jagoff time wasters... For has not offered an Escort in years, when did used cars acquire a 'sticker" price? mike hunt With checkbook > sticking out of my pocket we sat down and I asked the price. Sales guy > said it was quoted at $XXX (about $100 below sticker). I replied, "yes > but now I'm ready to buy so what is the real price" Long sad tale of > invoice price, making a profit etc followed. I said "sorry, but that is > not good enough." and walked. > For has not offered an Escort in years, when did used cars acquire a > 'sticker" price? > > mike hunt It was new and it was some years ago. No one has offered a new car for $6500 either in many years. The point was it is sometimes smart to just walk away and check out another dealer no matter how enthusiastic you are about the car. . And how the first sales guy could have made a sale if he gave his "best" price up front, not screwed around trying to take advantage of a new car buyer. That must have been a company that also owns a Toyota dealership. ;) mike hunt > With 0% financing from GM I thought I see if there were any bargains > around on the '06 models, Lucerne in particular. A good deal would get me [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I know the margins have dwindled from years ago, but sticker price? I > walked and he did not care. He wouldn't budge even a hundred bucks. > That must have been a company that also owns a Toyota dealership. ;) > > mike hunt Not the same owner, but Toyota is right across the street. The Buick sticker is $1500 over invoice. The Avalon sticker is $4089 over invoice. With little prodding the Toyota dealer (started at $2k discount) went to $3200 discount, leaving about $800 over invoice. I don't know if Toyota dealers have the same deals with holdbacks and such, but the equivalent would have still been about $700 off sticker. Had the Buick dealer gone about $1k off, I'd have probably written the deposit check. I'm in no hurry, so I'll wait for a good, fair, deal, be it in Buick or some other brand. I'm curious about the new Altima coming out. Looks sharp in photos, but I've not driven one. Go back and get a total drive home price before you decide which is actually the best deal, WBMA ;) mike hunt >> That must have been a company that also owns a Toyota dealership. ;) >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > some other brand. I'm curious about the new Altima coming out. Looks > sharp in photos, but I've not driven one. >> Not the same owner, but Toyota is right across the street. The Buick >> sticker is $1500 over invoice. The Avalon sticker is $4089 over [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> or some other brand. I'm curious about the new Altima coming out. >> Looks sharp in photos, but I've not driven one. Edwin, have you checked out the Ford 'Five Hundred' car? They're nice looking and they sit up high, like an SUV, so getting in/out is easier. Cheaper than an Avalon by $4500. The Avalon is kind of homely, in my opinion. Toyota hasn't produced attractive cars in 10 years. The family podiatrist just bought a Ford 500 and loves it. "Grappletech" <noone@yodoor.biz> wrote in message > Edwin, have you checked out the Ford 'Five Hundred' car? They're nice > looking and they sit up high, like an SUV, so getting in/out is easier. > Cheaper than an Avalon by $4500. The Avalon is kind of homely, in my > opinion. Toyota hasn't produced attractive cars in 10 years. The family > podiatrist just bought a Ford 500 and loves it. I've looked from a distance, not close up. I probably will as I get closed to a buy. They just didn't seem very exciting, but the ease of entry and exit gets more important every year. If it wasn't I'd probably get an Eclipse. That is what I do. I ask for the final price (without sales tax) but including all other fees, prep, documentation etc. This way they can't add these items on top of the "final" price. I tell them I don't care how they break it down. It reduces some of the games they play. > Go back and get a total drive home price before you decide which is actually > the best deal, WBMA ;) [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> some other brand. I'm curious about the new Altima coming out. Looks >> sharp in photos, but I've not driven one. I hope you get the finance terms set as well. ;) mike hunt > That is what I do. I ask for the final price (without sales tax) but > including all other fees, prep, documentation etc. This way they can't add [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >>> some other brand. I'm curious about the new Altima coming out. Looks >>> sharp in photos, but I've not driven one. > That must have been a company that also owns a Toyota dealership. ;) Most GM dealers here now do. A smart way to survive! When I was Group Sales Manger for one of the largest mega dealerships groups on the east coast, we sold just about every brand on the market, in six states.. That is how one makes big bucks in the industry. Even back then we made the largest profit margins on those 'smarter than the average' buyers that bought import brands ;) mike hunt >> That must have been a company that also owns a Toyota dealership. ;) > > Most GM dealers here now do. > A smart way to survive! > When I was Group Sales Manger for one of the largest mega dealerships > groups on the east coast, we sold just about every brand on the [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > mike hunt Yep, multi-line dealerships are the way to go for profit. If one brand isn't popular, there are 4 or 5 other lines to sell. Do these multi-line dealerships commonly allow the salespeople to sell ALL the brands? Or are they trapped selling one brand? It'd be tough to sell one brand, esp. if that brand doesn't have exciting products. Like Eugene Levy's character in Vacation (1983)....."The Wagon Queen Family Truckster........this is your automobile!........If you think you hate it now, just wait'll you drive it!" Go back on Thursday late in the day, its the last day of the month and they have to meet their quotas, some will sell at cost just to meet quota and clear the lots. Car manufacturers are not happy when the dealers don't meet quotas. I would suggest going back, and the salesman who didnt want to deal with you today just ignore him, talk to another salesman and let him get the deal. > Go back on Thursday late in the day, its the last day of the month > and they have to meet their quotas, some will sell at cost just to > meet quota and clear the lots. Car manufacturers are not happy when > the dealers don't meet quotas. I would suggest going back, and the > salesman who didnt want to deal with you today just ignore him, talk > to another salesman and let him get the deal. last day of the month definately works, I have bought 5 or 6 cars between the 27th, and 31st over the last 15 years. they want that "one more for the month" on their sold column > The sales > manager told me it was just sold a half hour ago. It was listed there for > at least a week, not it was gone just minutes before I arrived. So, we > talked about other possibilities and he found another car that was very > close to my ideal. I asked about the price and he told me they sell at the > sticker price. Typical bait & switch. I'd have left immediately. >> The sales >> manager told me it was just sold a half hour ago. It was listed [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Typical bait & switch. > I'd have left immediately. My brother's mother-in-law needed a car after hers had just blown up. She made only like $9/hour as a nursing home worker and isn't too savvy about cars/negogiating. My brother saw a newspaper ad, this was in like 2000, for a Geo Metro coupe for $7500 or something. It was the loss leader: car sold at cost or below cost to get folks in. They then say "sorry that car's been sold." So they get there to the Geo/Chevy place and of course the $7500 car is gone. He haggled and threatened to leave and ended up getting her a Metro sedan with auto tranny and AC for $8800 or something, not much more than the base coupe. With a low payment even --like $150/month. She would have probably have ended up paying a lot more for a lesser car, if buying the car herself. I never let my mom go alone to a dealership. The salesmen are like sharks looking for victims. |
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