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Car Forum / GMC Cars / September 2006Ontario Emission DriveClean Test
Could someone please tell me if you own a 1987 vehicle, on which day it will qualify to be exempted from the Ontario DriveClean emission test? Does it mean that Jan 1, 2007? Or does it mean Jan 1, 2008 when it will be exempted? "Joseph" <spmok2@canada.com> wrote in news:1158199464.969993.96430 @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com: > Could someone please tell me if you own a 1987 vehicle, on which day it > will qualify to be exempted from the Ontario DriveClean emission test? > Does it mean that Jan 1, 2007? Or does it mean Jan 1, 2008 when it > will be exempted? It is exempt when it is 20 model years old. The last year for testing 1987 models is this year. It's all here: www.driveclean.com Click on "FAQ: Historic vehicles..."  SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message > It is exempt when it is 20 model years old. The last year for testing 1987 > models is this year. So, like some of our states, if it is old and pollutes a lot, you can let it get older, pollute even more and we'll make it exempt. A few weeks ago, I was on a two lane road, no place to pass, following a mid-70's Old. I was actually getting sick from the fumes and had to drop back quite a bit to get some clean air. > "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > a mid-70's Old. I was actually getting sick from the fumes and had to > drop back quite a bit to get some clean air. Problem is, 20-year old cars make up perhaps 1% of the cars on the road. And most of those are not daily drivers. Are you aware that the air is 57% cleaner in absolute terms now than it was in 1970? That's in spite of a 153% increase in vehicular traffic. The US federal EPA says so and you could look it up. Including 20+ cars is pure politics and social engineering. It accomplishes nothing except make those cars more expensive and problematic to own, which is the point. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ >> "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in message >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > accomplishes nothing except make those cars more expensive and > problematic to own, which is the point. The entire Ontario drive clean program is one big load of bullshit. It is a cash-grab, and nothing more. You mention that the 20 year and older cars only make up 1% of the cars on the road (I would give a higher %, but that is besides the point), yet they don't have to be e-tested. If your car is less then 5 model years old, you don't have to pass. Also, if you bring your car in to get tested, it fails, and the expense to repair is going to exceed $600, you don't have to pass either. There should have been *one* rule when making this bullshit program up: Either *everyone* has to pass or NO-ONE does. > The entire Ontario drive clean program is one big load of bullshit. It > is a cash-grab, and nothing more. Yep. In California, my brother's '87 Civic wasn't passing smog when he took it in for the smog check in the mid 90's. It almost passed. The mechanic adjusted the carb so it'd run real lean. It passed but ran like sh.t. So after the test, my brother adjusted it back up. >> The entire Ontario drive clean program is one big load of bullshit. It >> is a cash-grab, and nothing more. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > mechanic adjusted the carb so it'd run real lean. It passed but ran like > sh.t. So after the test, my brother adjusted it back up. Exactly. The e-testing system itself is so flawed, its not even funny. If everyone was doing it, and doing it right, it *may* make a difference. However, with huge factories, airplanes and the like on this world, causing the pollution they do, I can't see how e-testing only a small number of cars is going to change anything. How about trucks and buses? Al >>> The entire Ontario drive clean program is one big load of bullshit. It >>> is a cash-grab, and nothing more. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > causing the pollution they do, I can't see how e-testing only a small > number of cars is going to change anything. > The entire Ontario drive clean program is one big load of bullshit. It is a > cash-grab, and nothing more. You mention that the 20 year and older cars > only make up 1% of the cars on the road (I would give a higher %, but that > is besides the point), yet they don't have to be e-tested. Most cars 1987 and older are not daily drivers and are driven in summer months on weekends.. > less then 5 model years old, you don't have to pass. Not quite right, if they are 5 yrs and newer they don't have to be tested. since most new cars have warrenties for 5 yrs and people will generally keep their vehicles in top condition for 5 yrs. >Also, if you bring your car in to get tested, it fails, and the expense to repair is going >to exceed $600, you don't have to pass either. The vehicle can get a conditional pass if the repairs cost over the cap (which is only provided for the first two testing periods) when drive clean is introduced to a "new" region, after the cap period has run its course the vehicle must have all requiered repairs done no matter the cost if you want it to pass . I'd like them to smog test motorcycles. Snow... I'd like them to NOISE test motorcycles! Al >> The entire Ontario drive clean program is one big load of bullshit. It is >> a [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Snow... >> The entire Ontario drive clean program is one big load of bullshit. It is >> a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Most cars 1987 and older are not daily drivers and are driven in summer > months on weekends.. Sure, cars from the 60's and 70's are not usually daily drivers, but I still see tons of mid 80's cars around here. Plus, which pollutes more, a 1980 Chevy, or a 2000 Chevy? Likely the 1980. >> less then 5 model years old, you don't have to pass. > > Not quite right, if they are 5 yrs and newer they don't have to be > tested. since most new cars have warrenties for 5 yrs and people will > generally keep their vehicles in top condition for 5 yrs. No offence, but that is BS to me. If someone with a 1999 Chevy can't tell if the car is polluting, how can someone with a 2005 Chevy? Sometimes the 'Check Engine' light will come on when an emission related component fails, but not always. And car's don't yet have a 'Your Car Is Poluting The Air' light yet. >>Also, if you bring your car in to get tested, it fails, and the expense >>to repair is going >to exceed $600, you don't have to pass either. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > its course the vehicle must have all requiered repairs done no matter > the cost if you want it to pass . That still makes no sense. Car's should either have to pass, or not have to pass. It's all a big cash-crab. Hell, in towns 2 hours away from me, there is no e-testing at all. Same province, they just haven't gotten there yet. > I'd like them to smog test motorcycles. It will eventually happen. > Snow... "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in news:Xns983DE9CB1E86Btegger@ 207.14.116.130: > Problem is, 20-year old cars make up perhaps 1% of the cars on the road. > And most of those are not daily drivers. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > accomplishes nothing except make those cars more expensive and > problematic to own, which is the point. All of this guilt trip over driving your car is to divert public attention from the WORST air polluters.....jet airplanes and power plants, the worst of the worst corporate polluters. Delta Airlines' jet fuel buyer was on MSNBC discussing fuel prices with the stock broker talking heads complaining this was eating into profits becuase JUST DELTA AIRLINES BURNED 9.4 BILLION GALLONS IN 2004! If we're REALLY interested in air quality, we need to turn off the oil burners that make my patio black with soot and build NUCLEAR power plants.... I'm doing my part with my 33-year-old Mercedes 220 Diesel, shortly I hope: http://www.frybrid.com/ At one corner near my home, I've already gotten commitments for over 190 gallons of used frying oil per WEEK!...FREE! Jabulon's oil barons can kiss my a.s! SignatureThere's amazing intelligence in the Universe. You can tell because none of them ever called Earth. JUST DELTA AIRLINES BURNED 9.4 BILLION GALLONS IN 2004! > If we're REALLY interested in air quality, we need to turn off the oil > burners that make my patio black with soot and build NUCLEAR power [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > gallons of used frying oil per WEEK!...FREE! > Jabulon's oil barons can kiss my a.s! Thanks for doing your part to help the environment. If more people were like you, the Earth would be a lot better off. As it is, people put more effort into planning their weekly TV viewing schedules than thinking about energy, conservation, saving the Earth. My brother had an '85 Mercedes 300TD wagon and he ran veggie oil in it. Some idiot ran into him and totaled it though. He's looking for a 1970's 240D now. He was thinking of starting a co-cop for used veggie oil. We were to process it, and sell it in like 10 gallon containers. They could take the containers home and use them as needed. Then bring the containers back to get refilled. grappletech <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in news:1158212770_23479 @sp6iad.superfeed.net: > Thanks for doing your part to help the environment. Am I the only one to notice how CLEAN and BLUE the sky was in the week after 9/11 when they grounded them all? Not one word, of course, was said about it on any of the Propaganda News Channels the corporations run from Airline ad money. Of course, that also stopped the chemical seeding in all those contrails. Go to google and put contrails seeding into the search engine. There's thousands of websites, now.....and great movies on the subject. HAARP weapon - be very afraid. www.haarp.com Cars aren't polluting the planet beyond repair any more than 2-stroke outboard motors are polluting the lakes to death. SignatureThere's amazing intelligence in the Universe. You can tell because none of them ever called Earth. > Am I the only one to notice how CLEAN and BLUE the sky was in the week > after 9/11 when they grounded them all? It was mentioned on one of the 5 year memorial TV shows... but they were talking about how remarkably clear the skies were at the time of the WTC attack, not after the planes were grounded. Mike > It was mentioned on one of the 5 year memorial TV shows... but they were > talking about how remarkably clear the skies were at the time of the WTC > attack, not after the planes were grounded. > > Mike The sky over Charleston, SC, here on the trailing edge of the Westerlies, went from its normal whitish grey with purple sunsets to the most beautiful blue I think I've ever seen in my 60 years. It stayed that way until the day AFTER they filled the skys with oil burners, again. I haven't seen it since. One of the jobs I used to do is run a mobile calibration laboratory for EIL Instruments, a government electronics contractor. We towed a trailer lab from FAA site to site calibrating their test equipment. One Sunday, we ended up stranded at the FAA long range radar facility near Benson, NC, in the Eastern corridor, a radar with a 300 mile range. I sat around on my day off with the duty technicians in the radar room. They have a test station, a full radar operating station you can see all the targets, IFF targets FAA calls "Beacons", for about 300 miles in all directions from the huge multimegawatt S-band radar beast rotating overhead. A computer controls it all and presents the targets and you can put the cursor over one of them and get all kinds of information from the beacon system. The radar counted the targets on this Sunday afternoon in about 1980-81 in central NC. There were over 380 targets painted on that screen, the REAL polluters of the air over North Carolina, a huge cluster of oil burners. It's not your car...... SignatureThere's amazing intelligence in the Universe. You can tell because none of them ever called Earth. > grappletech <noone@removenowhere.biz> wrote in news:1158212770_23479 > @sp6iad.superfeed.net: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Am I the only one to notice how CLEAN and BLUE the sky was in the week > after 9/11 when they grounded them all? Post hoc ergo propter hoc. Common logical error. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ The only "ONLY" reason for the E-Test, is a money grab for the government!!! That's great for conserving our resources but how clean is the exhaust coming out of that car? Al > "TeGGeR®" <tegger@tegger.c0m> wrote in news:Xns983DE9CB1E86Btegger@ > 207.14.116.130: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > gallons of used frying oil per WEEK!...FREE! > Jabulon's oil barons can kiss my a.s! "ajtessier" <ajtessier@worldnet.att.net> wrote in news:qrmOg.142280 $5i3.45942@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net: > That's great for conserving our resources but how clean is the exhaust > coming out of that car? Oh, I'm sure if we read the oil company sponsored reports it will completely cover the planet in 3" of frying oil in about 3 weeks, if allowed to continue..... Does it matter whether I burn 21 gallons of it over 1300 miles in the Benz or the recovery company sells it to the electricity corporations to burn in the power plant? Pollution - Watching the Space Shuttle launch from Charleston, SC..... SignatureThere's amazing intelligence in the Universe. You can tell because none of them ever called Earth. > A few weeks ago, I was on a two lane road, no place to pass, following > a mid-70's Old. I was actually getting sick from the fumes and had to > drop back quite a bit to get some clean air. What sucks is: that one old Olds is doing more polluting than 30 good running cars. If the vehicle is 1987 and older it will be exempt since its last required testing was 2 yrs ago. If the vehicle is 1988 and newer it will have to be tested until it reaches the federally reconized age to classify as "antique" which is 30 years old. So my 89 chev "B" body wagon has to be tested until 2019. Of course this is also dependant on where you live some regions still dont have to do testing. Snow... > Could someone please tell me if you own a 1987 vehicle, on which day it > will qualify to be exempted from the Ontario DriveClean emission test? > Does it mean that Jan 1, 2007? Or does it mean Jan 1, 2008 when it > will be exempted? umm.... There is one problem though. I just happen to buy this 1987 car off someone else. So that means it must pass emission before I can get it plated and drive it. I am thinking of just let it sit for 3.5 months (Oct,Nov,Dec) then when the clock rolls over to 2007. Right now I have another beater to drive. I will take the safety certificate to the MTO and get it plated. That is if we are all correct about it not requiring an emission in 2007. What do you think. > If the vehicle is 1987 and older it will be exempt since its last > required testing was 2 yrs ago. If the vehicle is 1988 and newer it [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Does it mean that Jan 1, 2007? Or does it mean Jan 1, 2008 when it > > will be exempted? >From the drive clean web site.. "If your car is a 1987 or earlier model, it leaves the program permanently when it is 20 years old." "2006 testing year. vehicles required to be tested: 2001 1999 1997 1995 1993 1991 1989 1987 " Take your car in this year and your done with the cash grab forever.... Snow... "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:1158236983.266810.81240 @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com: > If the vehicle is 1987 and older it will be exempt Wonder how many of those Plymouth K cars I see on The Red Green Show are still riding around Canada....covered in duct tape...(c; SignatureThere's amazing intelligence in the Universe. You can tell because none of them ever called Earth. > "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:1158236983.266810.81240 > @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com: > > > If the vehicle is 1987 and older it will be exempt wrong. wrong wrong. a quote from that very same driveclean web-site mentioned in the first response: The exemption for 20-year-old light-duty vehicles is ending as we begin to focus more on the vehicles most likely to pollute. All cars, 1988 model year and newer, will require emissions testing until they are taken out of service. These vehicles would have had their last test for registration renewal in 2007, when they were 19 years old. They will now need to continue to be tested in 2009 and ever two years after that. sorry to bear bad news...thehick re-read the site... everything 1987 and older is excempt after the 2006 year.. Like I said... 1988 and newer have to go and betested until they reach historic staus. Snow... "Snow" <snowbal@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:1158236983.266810.81240 @p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com: > If the vehicle is 1987 and older it will be exempt since its last > required testing was 2 yrs ago. No, its last required testing is this year. The OP will discover this when he goes to get his annual sticker. In Ontario, you get your sticker renewal notice about 90 days in advance, giving you lots of time to get something done about it. > If the vehicle is 1988 and newer it > will have to be tested until it reaches the federally reconized age to > classify as "antique" which is 30 years old. Wrong. There is no such DriveClean definition as "antique". Read the DriveClean website's description. The ONLY allowance for emissions exemption for a post-'87 car is "historic vehicle". And with the advent of Premier McSquinty, THEY tell YOU what constitutes a "historic vehicle. Simply achieving 30 years old does *NOT* make a car ipso facto exempt from smog checks. Now if we throw McSquinty's Commies out in the next election, maybe we can coax the the next bunch of wanna-be despots into reinstating the 20- year rolling exemption... Hey guys, remember this at the polls. SignatureTeGGeR® The Unofficial Honda/Acura FAQ www.tegger.com/hondafaq/ > > If the vehicle is 1987 and older it will be exempt since its last > > required testing was 2 yrs ago. > > No, its last required testing is this year. The OP will discover this > when he goes to get his annual sticker. whoops.. yes it needs its final test this year, after which it is excempt.. > > If the vehicle is 1988 and newer it > > will have to be tested until it reaches the federally reconized age to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > vehicle. Simply achieving 30 years old does *NOT* make a car ipso facto > exempt from smog checks. Antique status.. historic status ... close enough.. the end result is the same and there is a provision under the "highway traffic act" to allow for such a status.. >From the same drive clean website : " An exemption will be recommended for vehicles of the 1988 and newer model years from all test requirements when they reach 30 years of age, if they receive designation as historic vehicles under the Highway Traffic Act." "A historic vehicle is defined in Regulation 628 under the Highway Traffic Act. It is a specially-plated motor vehicle "at least 30 years old" that is "operated on a highway only in parades, for purposes of exhibition, tours or similar functions organized by a properly constituted automobile club, or for purposes of repair, testing or demonstration for sale" and is "substantially unchanged or unmodified from the original manufacturer's product". Owners of a vehicle at least 30 years old can also apply to the Ministry of Transportation to attach Year of Manufacture plates to the vehicle. The Year of Manufacture plates are Ontario number plates that were issued during the year of manufacture of the motor vehicle. Vehicles with a Year of Manufacture licence plate are not restricted in their operation and have the same privileges as a standard passenger licence plate. More information on Year of Manufacture Plates can be obtained from the Ministry of Transportation." Snow... |
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