I wanted to ask the group a question. After hearing so many bad things
on American made cars was scared of them, but that was before I owned 2
Toyoyta Tundra POS they have got to be better! I had a 05 Tundra that
the warranty was not worth the paper and now have a 2000 Tundra that is
about to put me in the poor house with all the problems I've had with it
ready to try a chevy, dodge or ford or a damn yugo before I buy another
jap made POS! Just wanted to ask what would be the best truck to get and
what to look for. I will also be towing a 3400 trailor on a regulare
bases and need a backseat for the kids. Thanks for any info and the
rant!
NO MORE TOYOTA'S!!!!! number 1 in quality my azz!!!
N8N - 29 Dec 2006 19:52 GMT
> I wanted to ask the group a question. After hearing so many bad things
> on American made cars was scared of them, but that was before I owned 2
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>
> NO MORE TOYOTA'S!!!!! number 1 in quality my azz!!!
I don't have a whole lot of experience with trucks, but AFAICT
Chevy/GMC are actually pretty good, and much better in quality than
Chevy cars. I'm not a big fan of Ford trucks but mostly because of
their awful Twin-I-Beam front suspension (yeah, it's been a while since
I've driven one.) I've heard that Dodge is a little more problematic
than Ford or Chevy. So Chevy is probably a safe choice if you like it.
I did log a lot of seat time in some Chevy/GMC prototypes about 6 years
ago (previous generation to the ones being introduced now) and they
were fairly pleasant to drive, although the one weak link was the
locking differential, they were easy to destroy.
GM seems to be putting all its eggs in the truck basket for some
reason.
nate
Mike Hunter - 29 Dec 2006 20:44 GMT
The same reason Toyota has been putting more of its money into new trucks
and SUVs. Greater profits per capital investment. ;)
mike
>> I wanted to ask the group a question. After hearing so many bad things
>> on American made cars was scared of them, but that was before I owned 2
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>
> nate
John Horner - 30 Dec 2006 00:14 GMT
> I don't have a whole lot of experience with trucks, but AFAICT
> Chevy/GMC are actually pretty good, and much better in quality than
> Chevy cars. I'm not a big fan of Ford trucks but mostly because of
> their awful Twin-I-Beam front suspension (yeah, it's been a while since
> I've driven one.)
Ford finally ditched that horrible front end design some years ago.
Edwin Pawlowski - 29 Dec 2006 22:07 GMT
> Just wanted to ask what would be the best truck to get and
> what to look for. I will also be towing a 3400 trailor on a regulare
> bases and need a backseat for the kids.
Get the Duramax Diesel
PerfectReign - 29 Dec 2006 23:54 GMT
>> Just wanted to ask what would be the best truck to get and
>> what to look for. I will also be towing a 3400 trailor on a regulare
>> bases and need a backseat for the kids.
>
> Get the Duramax Diesel
I want one!!! :P
6.6L, 360 HP, 600+ lbs/ft torque...drool....

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Scott - 30 Dec 2006 03:37 GMT
I've herd the Duramax is a Jap Engine from Isuzu, and they have
problems like the 6.0L Powerstroke with head gaskets. I've also read
that the Duramax and Powerstroke are light duty engines, while the
Cummins is a more heavy duty engine. I got a friend thats got a 93'
Ram 350 with the Cummins Diesel with 350,000 miles with no problems.
If I were you I would take a look at a Dodge with the Cummins.
> > Just wanted to ask what would be the best truck to get and
> > what to look for. I will also be towing a 3400 trailor on a regulare
> > bases and need a backseat for the kids.
>
> Get the Duramax Diesel
Edwin Pawlowski - 30 Dec 2006 04:19 GMT
> I've herd the Duramax is a Jap Engine from Isuzu, and they have
> problems like the 6.0L Powerstroke with head gaskets. I've also read
> that the Duramax and Powerstroke are light duty engines, while the
> Cummins is a more heavy duty engine. I got a friend thats got a 93'
> Ram 350 with the Cummins Diesel with 350,000 miles with no problems.
> If I were you I would take a look at a Dodge with the Cummins.
The Cummins is a great engine. Shame they put it in a Dodge.
According to
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/Spec%20Sheet/Diesel/2
007_LBZ_LLY_032406.xls
the Duramax engine is assembled in Moraine Ohio. Now, it may be possible
that Japan bought Ohio recently but I didn't see anything in the newspaper
about it.
More information at
http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/Whats%20New/07_LLY_LBZ.doc
http://www.gm.com/automotive/gmpowertrain/engines/duramax/index.htm
John Horner - 30 Dec 2006 05:19 GMT
> According to
> http://media.gm.com/us/powertrain/en/product_services/2007/Spec%20Sheet/Diesel/2
007_LBZ_LLY_032406.xls
> the Duramax engine is assembled in Moraine Ohio. Now, it may be possible
> that Japan bought Ohio recently but I didn't see anything in the newspaper
> about it.
The design is by Isuzu and it is built in a joint venture plant in Ohio.
One of the benefits of the Isuzu-GM tie-up was that Isuzu knows plenty
about modern diesel engines and GM knows little about them. When GM
sold off it's part of Isuzu recently Toyota picked up the pieces to get
their hands on Isuzu's diesel expertise and capacity.
Stay tuned!
John
Shep - 29 Dec 2006 22:14 GMT
The Silverado has a pretty good all around rating.
>I wanted to ask the group a question. After hearing so many bad things
> on American made cars was scared of them, but that was before I owned 2
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>
> NO MORE TOYOTA'S!!!!! number 1 in quality my azz!!!
Grappletech - 30 Dec 2006 05:23 GMT
I used to drive a 2001 Silverado pickup (half ton) with a car dolly for my
work delivering cars for a company. It had the smallest V8 that they put
in the Chevy trucks. I'd have heavy Impalas or Buick LeSabres on the
dolly, and the Chevy pulled them fine/easily. Plenty of torque plus the
truck looked great and was fun to drive.
A diesel would last a lot longer and have more torque. I'd recommend a
Dodge Ram with the Cummins if you want a diesel. I had a friend who used
one to haul a car carrier. It had like 450,000 miles and never had been
opened up. Might be overkill for your application. You may never have to
tow 15,000 pounds or need the engine to last for half a million miles!
That's why resale value is so good for Rams with Cummins in them.
Scott - 30 Dec 2006 19:30 GMT
Right on man!!
> I used to drive a 2001 Silverado pickup (half ton) with a car dolly for my
> work delivering cars for a company. It had the smallest V8 that they put
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diablo - 29 Dec 2006 22:27 GMT
>I wanted to ask the group a question. After hearing so many bad things
> on American made cars was scared of them, but that was before I owned 2
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>
> NO MORE TOYOTA'S!!!!! number 1 in quality my azz!!!
My last truck was a 1999 K1500 with the 5.7 liter V8. I only put about
85,000 miles on it but never had any major issues. Just the normal brakes,
serpentine belt, plug wires, plugs, cap and rotor, battery and cooling
system flush. The only part that did fail was the alternator, just a few
months before I traded it in. That's all that I invested in it after I
bought it. It was a pretty good vehicle.
I traded it in on my current truck, a 2006 Silverado Z71 with the aluminum
5.3 liter V8. So far so good, I have 5,400 miles on it since June. I don't
expect to have any issues other than general maintenance.
Brian
PerfectReign - 29 Dec 2006 23:53 GMT
On Fri, 29 Dec 2006 13:59:51 -0500, Dad-x-2 got out the hammer and chisel
and etched in the wall:
> I wanted to ask the group a question. After hearing so many bad things
> on American made cars was scared of them, but that was before I owned 2
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> bases and need a backseat for the kids. Thanks for any info and the
> rant!
Well, I'd say you probably won't go wrong with a Chevy or GMC (twins) 1/2
or 3/4 ton truck. I have an '06 avalanche, with only 5000 miles and have
had only one very minor issue. (I haven't even bothered with the dealer.)
I had a '95 GMC Jimmy for six years and 150,000 miles with very minor
problems. (Most related to a faulty injector design from '94, which was
fixed in '97.)
On the Ford side, I've heard only good things from my friends who own
F-150 an F-250 models. Nothing wrong with them either. I personally like
the styling and comfort of the GM trucks over the Ford trucks.
> NO MORE TOYOTA'S!!!!! number 1 in quality my azz!!!
Well, I have a good friend who recently turned in his '95 T-100 for an
F-150 after 272,000 miles. However, neither of us bought a new Tundra,
simply because they didn't "feel" right.

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