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It will meld into a non-issue. The masses go with the flow. For a time it has been SUVs and Pickup trucks. In the near future everyone will feel comfortable in Tata, SmartCar, VW Beetle and Priapisim cars. The race will be on to the cutist and stingiest cars. Il mittente di questo messaggio|The sender address of this non corrisponde ad un utente |message is not related to a real reale ma all'indirizzo fittizio|person but to a fake address of an di un sistema anonimizzatore |anonymous system Per maggiori informazioni |For more info https://www.mixmaster.it > It will meld into a non-issue. The masses go with the flow. For a time it > has been SUVs and Pickup trucks. In the near future everyone will feel [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Per maggiori informazioni |For more info > https://www.mixmaster.it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trabant > > It will meld into a non-issue. The masses go with the flow. For a time it > > has been SUVs and Pickup trucks. In the near future everyone will feel > > comfortable in Tata, SmartCar, VW Beetle and Priapisim cars. The race will > > be on to the cutist and stingiest cars. Maybe these auto executive should consider the possibility that there are tons of people putting off car purchases until they can actually buy something that gets decent gas mileage. >> > It will meld into a non-issue. The masses go with the flow. For a time >> > it [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > are tons of people putting off car purchases until they can actually > buy something that gets decent gas mileage. I don't think the auto executives are too worried about the loss of those two sales...  Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net > <scott21...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I don't think the auto executives are too worried about the loss of those > two sales... Yes. I'm hoping the CAFE rules screw the sales of new cars up royally across the board. Foreign and domestic. >>>> It will meld into a non-issue. The masses go with the flow. For a time >>>> it [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I don't think the auto executives are too worried about the loss of those > two sales... Typically car buyers purchase what they can afford. First question usually asked by a car salesperson is, "how much a month are you going to pay?" We will ratchet down buyer expectations as the cost increases. In addition to energy savings, benefits will include lower unsprung weight, translating into less damage to roads and bridges. And, highway noise levels will decrease. Yea verily-- the masses will go with the flow. If you want a muscle car, those will be available too, they will be labeled, "export only" and you'll pay a hefty premium to bring them back into the country. Regrettably, Mercedes was the first to put a toe in the water with the Smartcar. Shame we didn't have the guts to do it. -- pj > Typically car buyers purchase what they can afford. First question > usually asked by a car salesperson is, "how much a month are you going to > pay?" Which has nothing to do with the discussion to this point. People already have the option to buy a lot of available cars that are 1/2 the price of what they currently drive, get higher gas mileage, yet they continue to buy Accords, Camry's, trucks, SUV, and whatever. There is simply more to the equation than buying the smallest, most sardine can-like vehicle on the road purely in the name of fuel economy. > We will ratchet down buyer expectations as the cost increases. In > addition to energy savings, benefits will include lower unsprung weight, > translating into less damage to roads and bridges. And, highway noise > levels will decrease. Sounds good on paper (to you at least), but what a crock. The difference in wear to roads between the average mid sized sedan and one of these wonder cars is negligible. The noise levels won't be any different. Well - maybe they will be louder with these miracle cars, as the sounds of sheet metal and plastic grenading and the sobs of the dying souls, overwhelms the sounds of the typical mid-sized sedans driving by. > Yea verily-- the masses will go with the flow. > If you want a muscle car, those will be available too, they will be > labeled, "export only" and you'll pay a hefty premium to bring them back > into the country. Too bad the flow won't be these cheap throw away caskets on wheels. They may be fine for city use, and maybe even for the 3 mile jaunt to the grocery store (as long as you don't buy anything more than a gallon on milk), but for the normal driving needs of the average American, these things are not the solution. > Regrettably, Mercedes was the first to put a toe in the water with the > Smartcar. Shame we didn't have the guts to do it. Regrettably?? It's not a novel concept. There have been urban cars forever. Besides the marketing hype that Mercedes threw at this thing, there's nothing unique in this car. Manufacturers all over the world have built this type of concept for decades. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net The fact is MB has yet to make a profit on the Smart. Probably great for CAFE, however. How 'smart' is one to spend 17K to buy a midget two seat car when one can buy a four seat Civic, Focus or Corolla for that kind of money. Better yet one of the others on the market in the 14K range, simply to save a relative few hundred dollars annually on fuel? Reminds one of the wisdom of those buying hybrids. The premium one must pay to buy a hybrid, over its conventionally power twin, will by ALL of ones fuel for the conventionally powered car for the four years that the average new car buyer keeps their car. ;) >> Typically car buyers purchase what they can afford. First question >> usually asked by a car salesperson is, "how much a month are you going to [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > there's nothing unique in this car. Manufacturers all over the world have > built this type of concept for decades. > The fact is MB has yet to make a profit on the Smart. Probably great for > CAFE, however. How 'smart' is one to spend 17K to buy a midget two seat > car when one can buy a four seat Civic, Focus or Corolla for that kind of > money. Better yet one of the others on the market in the 14K range, simply > to save a relative few hundred dollars annually on fuel? The only advantage of the Smart is size. If you live in a large city, you suddenly have more parking options. As for fuel mileage, I was able to get 42 mpg over 1200 miles in a Smart ForFour. While good, that is obtainable in other cars. The ForFour has what they call a back seat. I did not try to sit in it though as there was barely any leg room. Handling was pretty good even on the highway, cruising along with the bigger cars on the Autostrade. > The only advantage of the Smart is size. And fuel economy And manouvering And safety And it's rust proof aluminum frame. And of course the quality of it's European manufacture. No one wants to purchase AmeriKKKan built crap. >> The only advantage of the Smart is size. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > No one wants to purchase AmeriKKKan built crap. WTF? Why do you keep bringing up the KKK? You are an idiot or something? > WTF? Why do you keep bringing up the KKK? You are an idiot or something? Fascism = Corporatism KKKonservatism = Corporatism. Draw your own conclusions. >> WTF? Why do you keep bringing up the KKK? You are an idiot or something? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Draw your own conclusions. I did. You're either very stupid, high or drunk. In any case, *plonk* BYE > You're either very stupid, high or drunk. > In any case, *plonk* Run away sh.t Stick.. Run away.... >> You're either very stupid, high or drunk. >> In any case, *plonk* > > Run away sh.t Stick.. Run away.... You are unworthy. Plonk SignatureCivis Romanus Sum >> WTF? Why do you keep bringing up the KKK? You are an idiot or something? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Draw your own conclusions. Obvious conclusion - you are indeed an idiot. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net >> Fascism = Corporatism >> >> KKKonservatism = Corporatism. >> >> Draw your own conclusions. > Obvious conclusion - you are indeed an idiot. Says the Fascist. ""Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." - Mussolini >>> WTF? Why do you keep bringing up the KKK? You are an idiot or something? >> Fascism = Corporatism [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Obvious conclusion - you are indeed an idiot. I second that ... > I second that ... Milk me.. Milk me, Dan shouts to GM. My nipples are ready to explode. Milk me Damnit. > > WTF? Why do you keep bringing up the KKK? You are an idiot or something? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Draw your own conclusions. Jeff is obviously very right. Whoops I should say correct. One will need to take judicious advantage of that handling, to avoid those bigger vehicles, one would suspect. LOL >> The fact is MB has yet to make a profit on the Smart. Probably great for >> CAFE, however. How 'smart' is one to spend 17K to buy a midget two seat [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > was barely any leg room. Handling was pretty good even on the highway, > cruising along with the bigger cars on the Autostrade. > The only advantage of the Smart is size. If you live in a large city, you > suddenly have more parking options. If you can find a 1/2 size parking space (not possible here); or share a full sized space with another Dumb/Smart car. > As for fuel mileage, I was able to get 42 mpg over 1200 miles in a Smart > ForFour. While good, that is obtainable in other cars. The ForFour has > what they call a back seat. I did not try to sit in it though as there was > barely any leg room. Handling was pretty good even on the highway, cruising > along with the bigger cars on the Autostrade. The Toyota Yaris smokes the ForFour on value and space in the Yaris sedan. Mercedes should leave small mini cars to others. They are wasting the money they make on their full sized cars on their over priced Smart line. It isn't even a case of the rich helping the poor, because the poor can't afford a Dumb/Smart car. > The Toyota Yaris smokes the ForFour on value > and space in the Yaris sedan. 34-40 MPG Smart Car 60 MPG. If I were in the market for a car, Smart is the only thing I would consider. > > The Toyota Yaris smokes the ForFour on value > > and space in the Yaris sedan. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If I were in the market for a car, Smart is the only thing I would > consider. Can't you read? I said the tiny Dumb/Smart car doesn't meet even my basic urban needs. My basic need come well before fuel mileage- PERIOD! A golf pro at my golf course owns one. He carries his golf clubs in the passenger seat. Now how would my wife and I go to play golf in one? You sound like the dummies that have been trying to run Chrysler into the ground over the last number of years. The Smart will sell in the USA as in Canada. To very select markets and mostly to inner city businesses who like to place advertising on it. It won't make money unless it is manufactured in China. >> 34-40 MPG >> >> Smart Car 60 MPG. >> >> If I were in the market for a car, Smart is the only thing I would >> consider. > Can't you read? > I said the tiny Dumb/Smart car doesn't meet even my basic urban needs. > My basic need come well before fuel mileage- PERIOD! Then you would be best off with a 4 seater SMART. > A golf pro at my golf course owns one. He carries his golf clubs in the > passenger seat. Keep your clubs at the club. > Now how would my wife and I go to play golf in one? Keep your clubs at the club. > You sound like the dummies that have been trying to run Chrysler into > the ground over the last number of years. You sound like a cow who is ready to be milked. > The Smart will sell in the USA as in Canada. To very select markets and > mostly to inner city businesses who like to place advertising on it. > It won't make money unless it is manufactured in China. China is really cleaning AmeriKKKa's clock isn't it? > China is really cleaning AmeriKKKa's clock isn't it? For someone who posts like a troll, but actually does display some factual knowledge every once in a while, this KKK stuff you are so infatuated with makes you look - foolish. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net >> China is really cleaning AmeriKKKa's clock isn't it? > > For someone who posts like a troll, but actually does display some factual > knowledge every once in a while, this KKK stuff you are so infatuated with > makes you look - foolish. Just KF the twit as has been done over on a.m.r. SignatureCivis Romanus Sum >> China is really cleaning AmeriKKKa's clock isn't it? > For someone who posts like a troll, but actually does display some factual > knowledge every once in a while, this KKK stuff you are so infatuated with > makes you look - foolish. Methinks he's a MarKKKSSSist. Bill Putney (To reply by e-mail, replace the last letter of the alphabet in my address with the letter 'x') > >> 34-40 MPG > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Then you would be best off with a 4 seater SMART. Then the Yaris is the better car. The ForFour is discontinued anyway. > > A golf pro at my golf course owns one. He carries his golf clubs in the > > passenger seat. > > Keep your clubs at the club. I play at several golf clubs. > > Now how would my wife and I go to play golf in one? > > Keep your clubs at the club. I play at several golf clubs. Should I have two Smarts? One for me and one for my wife. You'd be dumb enough for that approach. > > You sound like the dummies that have been trying to run Chrysler into > > the ground over the last number of years. > > You sound like a cow who is ready to be milked. Not by Mercedes selling an overpriced tiny car that is subsided by normal size cars. How much is Mercedes giving you to push a car I wouldn't buy if I was still a team ager going to school. > > The Smart will sell in the USA as in Canada. To very select markets and > > mostly to inner city businesses who like to place advertising on it. > > It won't make money unless it is manufactured in China. > > China is really cleaning AmeriKKKa's clock isn't it? China is killing everyones clock on household goods. Cars from China are coming soon, the Smart is so overpriced and poorly equipped it doesn't stand a chance. Imagine sitting by the side of the road patching a tire, if you pay extra for the patching kit! I don't live in the USA. A local car reporter got the Smart car right on. He said: "Great little car for two people with brief cases commuting a few inner city miles to the office, but a far better solution for them would be to take a bus". >> The Toyota Yaris smokes the ForFour on value >> and space in the Yaris sedan. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If I were in the market for a car, Smart is the only thing I would > consider. heh - i wonder if one of those would fit in the back of my avalanche. Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org > heh - i wonder if one of those would fit in the back of my avalanche. I bet it will be running when you avalanche has rusted into the ground. >> heh - i wonder if one of those would fit in the back of my avalanche. > > I bet it will be running when you avalanche has rusted into the ground. *yawn* <checks headers> > X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 Ahh a Windows luser... ...from Canada (the 51st state)... ...okay, that explains your aggression. You're using an inferior virus-riddled operating system (from America) and are just jealous. In any case, I hope to have this truck for a while. My first truck lasted 10 year and 120K miles. My second (GMC Jimmy) lasted six years and 150K miles. (Along the way, I ran into several people with GM trucks over 30 years old.) But back to the real discussion. You seem to be hell-bent on people like me dumping a perfectly fine truck for some sardine can. Let's take a look at my day, and how apt it would have been to own such a sardine can. I started off by taking my family to church. So, the four of us piled into the truck. We could've taken the Saturn, but opted for the comfort of the truck. Smart Car? Nope. No seating for the rugrats. Okay, after church rugrat junior and I took off to Lowes. I was building some stairs in the back slope to get up to an apple tree I planted back in December. We bought about a half ton of bricks, concrete, rebar and stones. I threw this all in the back of the AV. Smart Car? Nope. No room for 1,000 lbs of masonry. After working my a.s off in the back yard, the boys wanted to head to the park. I obliged. We threw their two bicycles, scooters, the baseball bags and ourselves into the truck and headed over to the sports center in town. Oh, probably couldn't have put that all in the smart car either, eh? (I actually know a bit of Canadian.) We then finished the day by piling into the truck and heading to my mom's for dinner. My wife and rugrat senior walked/rode while I drove over with the rugrat jr and two bags of salt for her salt system. Need I go on? Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org > Smart Car? Nope. No room for 1,000 lbs of masonry. That's what delivery is for. >> Smart Car? Nope. No room for 1,000 lbs of masonry. > > That's what delivery is for. Really? Congratulations - you managed to tear apart the logic on one instance in my situation. You really are an angry person, aren't you? Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org > You really are an angry person, aren't you? Nope. I'm on a mission from God. > > You really are an angry person, aren't you? > > Nope. I'm on a mission from God. Now you say you are a God freak. The more I hear from you the less I believe you. >> Nope. I'm on a mission from God. > Now you say you are a God freak. > The more I hear from you the less I believe you. Carefully look to your left and then to your right. Do you see any Ewoks? Phone 911 if they are smiling. > >> The Toyota Yaris smokes the ForFour on value > >> and space in the Yaris sedan. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > heh - i wonder if one of those would fit in the back of my avalanche. It would fit in the glove compartment. > The fact is MB has yet to make a profit on the Smart. Probably great for > CAFE, however. How 'smart' is one to spend 17K to buy a midget two seat > car when one can buy a four seat Civic, Focus or Corolla for that kind of > money. Better yet one of the others on the market in the 14K range, simply > to save a relative few hundred dollars annually on fuel? KKKonservative Economists are constantly telling people that Money Conservation = Energy Conservation. Mike illustates that in the real world, what the KKKonservative Economists are saying is nothing but pure unadulterated lies. As to the Smart. At the moment, it's the only car that I would purchase. >> The fact is MB has yet to make a profit on the Smart. Probably great for >> CAFE, however. How 'smart' is one to spend 17K to buy a midget two seat [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > KKKonservative Economists are constantly telling people that Money > Conservation = Energy Conservation. Why do you put three K's to spell conservative? With all do respect, there are fine people who are both politically conservative and liberal and don't oppress people the way the KKK does. > Mike illustates that in the real world, what the KKKonservative Economists > are saying is nothing but pure unadulterated lies. I keep wondering what a "relative few hundred dollars" means. How is that different than "a few hundred dollars?" I have no idea what you mean by KKKonservative Economists myself. Perhaps you would be kind enough to share with us what you mean. > As to the Smart. At the moment, it's the only car that I would purchase. There are other small cars that made a ton of money. MB also bought a car company named "Chrysler" and ending up giving away money to dump it. That they are losing money on the car (and, IIRC, it was a multibillion program) is not surprise considering their investment in Chrysler. Jeff > Why do you put three K's to spell conservative? With all do respect, there > are fine people who are both politically conservative and liberal and > don't oppress people the way the KKK does. There are two kinds of KKKonservatives. Those who are knowingly Fascists, and those who are unknowingly Fascists. > I have no idea what you mean by KKKonservative Economists myself. Perhaps > you would be kind enough to share with us what you mean. I guess that puts you in the unknowingly Fascist cateory. >> As to the Smart. At the moment, it's the only car that I would >> purchase. > There are other small cars that made a ton of money. And which will rot away in a few years. SMART has an aluminum frame that will not corrode. > MB also bought a car company named "Chrysler" and ending up giving away > money to > dump it. Dumb purchase. > That they are losing money on the car (and, IIRC, it was a multibillion > program) is not surprise considering their investment in Chrysler. If they don't produce it.... China or India will. > And which will rot away in a few years. SMART has an aluminum frame > that will not corrode. Do you know about some new miracle aluminum that does not oxidize? Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net >> And which will rot away in a few years. SMART has an aluminum frame >> that will not corrode. > Do you know about some new miracle aluminum that does not oxidize? As all intelligent people know, Aluminum is like Copper in that it's oxide is insoluable in water. So any thin layer of oxide that builds up on a piece of Copper or Aluminum metal protects the metal from further oxidation. This is why copper is used for roofs and Aluminum is used for siding and ladders. Aluminum ladders don't corrode through when left outside or exposed to water, like a steel ladder would. Aluminum car frames are imperviouis to corrosion in exactly the same manner. Consider yourself Educated Mike. On Feb 8, 11:52 pm, "V-for-Vendicar" <Just...@ExecuteTheBushTraitor.com> wrote: > >> And which will rot away in a few years. SMART has an aluminum frame > >> that will not corrode. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Consider yourself Educated Mike. Yeah, by one whose sentence structure, punctuation, and spelling is just so fine............. > As all intelligent people know, Aluminum is like Copper in that it's > oxide is insoluable in water. So any thin layer of oxide that builds up on > a piece of Copper or Aluminum metal protects the metal from further > oxidation. > > Consider yourself Educated Mike. Not educated by this point, however I do stand corrected. Signature-Mike- mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net The biggest problem is the EPA and the oil company. These people need a leash. There is nothing wrong with clean air. It is all greed. >> As all intelligent people know, Aluminum is like Copper in that it's >> oxide is insoluable in water. So any thin layer of oxide that builds up on [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Not educated by this point, however I do stand corrected. >>> And which will rot away in a few years. SMART has an aluminum >>> frame [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Consider yourself Educated Mike. I am sorry you are a fuc*ing idiot. Alum. will corode quite easy, unless it has a very good protective coating on it. salt will destroy it almost as fast as other metals. I have seen much alum. corroded. Try looking at alum trucks and trailers. They last longer than straight steel but not a miricle. KB SignatureTHUNDERSNAKE #9 Protect your rights or "Lose" them The 2nd Admendment guarantees the others > > And which will rot away in a few years. SMART has an aluminum frame > > that will not corrode. > > Do you know about some new miracle aluminum that does not oxidize? The big problem is salt on the roads. Every hear of Al boat hulls in salt water. BIG corrosion problems. Anyway current car designs have no frame corrosion problems for normal use for a normal life span. > The big problem is salt on the roads. > Every hear of Al boat hulls in salt water. BIG corrosion problems. It's not a problem at all. Average annual metal corrosion rates after long-term exposure for various climates and pollution levels Salt Exposure none moderate high Alunimun .0003 .009 .0194 Weatheing Steel .023 .09 .810 Carbon Steel .04 .26 2.19 304 Stainless .000025 .000127 .0004 316 Stainless .000025 .000025 .000028 So unless you own a Delorian, corrosion rates due to weathering are 1/10th to 1/100th what your current car experiences. > Anyway current car designs have no frame corrosion problems for normal > use for a normal life span. The normal life span is sh.t. Planned to match your ability to afford to purchase a new one just as a the cattle milking cycle is designed to match a cows capacity to produce. The AmeriKKKan public just love to be milked like the cattle they are. You don't know the difference? You seem to think you know everything, I guess you will need to do some more homework ;) >>> The fact is MB has yet to make a profit on the Smart. Probably great >>> for CAFE, however. How 'smart' is one to spend 17K to buy a midget two >>> seat car when one can buy a four seat Civic, Focus or Corolla for that >>> kind of money. Better yet one of the others on the market in the 14K >>> range, simply to save a relative few hundred dollars annually on fuel? > I keep wondering what a "relative few hundred dollars" means. How is that > different than "a few hundred dollars?" > > Jeff >>>>> It will meld into a non-issue. The masses go with the flow. For a >>>>> time it [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Regrettably, Mercedes was the first to put a toe in the water with the > Smartcar. Shame we didn't have the guts to do it. Shame Mercedes has never made a profit with smart, too! > Shame Mercedes has never made a profit with smart, too! Their frame is pretty much optimal. Engine needs better mialage, and it's near perfect for electric conversion. > > > It will meld into a non-issue. The masses go with the flow. For a time it > > > has been SUVs and Pickup trucks. In the near future everyone will feel > > > comfortable in Tata, SmartCar, VW Beetle and Priapisim cars. The race will > > > be on to the cutist and stingiest cars. If they were that small I'd have to stop driving as they don't meet my basic driving needs. I'm not including the Beetle, I've owned 3 but they are no longer available. Although it would be a squeeze, the Toyota Yaris sedan could meet our needs. The Smart Car is very dumb, my wife and I couldn't even go grocery shopping in it. We need space for groceries and of course golf clubs. >> > > It will meld into a non-issue. The masses go with the flow. For a >> > > time it has been SUVs and Pickup trucks. In the near future everyone [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > The Smart Car is very dumb, my wife and I couldn't even go grocery > shopping in it. We need space for groceries and of course golf clubs. That's one of my biggest gripes. Here the automakers strive for "mileage" but all they can do is shrink the cars and try to fit us like sardines in tin cans. I'm sorry - I don't drive cars that are shorter than I am tall. (No, I'm not 106", that's just a figure of speech.) Of course, it would be interesting to see one these micro cars with the motorcycle engine do zero to 60 in three seconds.... Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org > I'm sorry - I don't drive cars that are shorter than I am tall. (No, I'm > not 106", that's just a figure of speech.) No doubt standing beside a Formula 1 style car would make you poop your pants. Can't bend over? Physical deformaty or old man status? > Of course, it would be interesting to see one these micro cars with the > motorcycle engine do zero to 60 in three seconds.... Which of course is worthless measure of anything. Wanna go on a thrill ride, go to the Circus. >> I'm sorry - I don't drive cars that are shorter than I am tall. (No, I'm >> not 106", that's just a figure of speech.) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Can't bend over? Physical deformaty or old man status? Nothing to do with that - I just cannot trust a car that has almost zero buffer room between me and the mack truck that is going to eventually hit me. I much prefer 6,000lbs of steel holding back whatever idiot is driving drunk and without insurance. >> Of course, it would be interesting to see one these micro cars with the >> motorcycle engine do zero to 60 in three seconds.... > > Which of course is worthless measure of anything. Ouch! I'm stung by the incredible witty comeback. I'm hurt. I cannot go on... > Wanna go on a thrill ride, go to the Circus. Huh? They have thrill rides at the circus? Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org "PerfectReign" <theperfectreign@yahoo.com> wrote in message > Nothing to do with that - I just cannot trust a car that has almost zero > buffer room between me and the mack truck that is going to eventually hit [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > drunk > and without insurance. I'd rather have a properly designed car of any weight with airbags and crumple zones than a 6000 pound cage of steel. Weight is not the deciding factor. FWIW, I was broadsided by a Mack truck in a compact car and walked away needing only a Band-Aid for a cut. > "PerfectReign" <theperfectreign@yahoo.com> wrote in message >> Nothing to do with that - I just cannot trust a car that has almost zero [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'd rather have a properly designed car of any weight with airbags and > crumple zones than a 6000 pound cage of steel. Oh, I agree. Which is why I drive an Avalanche. > Weight is not the deciding > factor. No, but it certainly helps out in tipping the scales in my favor. Kind of reminds me when I got rear-ended by an Accord once in an older pickup. The Accord had a horrendous scratch all up the hood and the poor person's airbags went off. My fender got a mild scratch. > FWIW, I was broadsided by a Mack truck in a compact car and walked away > needing only a Band-Aid for a cut. You're very lucky. I had a friend's dad die as the result of a guy driving a Peterbuilt making a wrong lane change on the 101. Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org > No, but it certainly helps out in tipping the scales in my favor. Kind of > reminds me when I got rear-ended by an Accord once in an older pickup. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > My fender got a mild scratch. I've seen it go the other way. Last month my neighbors Chev pickup 4x4 was parked in front of my house on a snowy evening. A Camry slipped into him on the curve at a low speed. The Camry hit the rear bumper left corner, went under it and hit the Chevs left rear tire. This drove the Chev right front wheel up on the curb. The Camry was slightly damaged on the right fender top, but it drove away. The Chev had to be towed away. Broken rear axle and serious damage to the rear end that took 3 weeks to repair. > The Chev had to be towed away. Broken rear axle and serious damage to > the rear end that took 3 weeks to repair. Lets be honest here. Cars are designed so that there isn't a hope in hell of fixing them. Once they are damaged they might be able to be pulled back into rough shape, but there isn't a chance in hell of the thing ever working properly after that. Just another way the AmeriKKKan people are suckers. > > The Chev had to be towed away. Broken rear axle and serious damage to > > the rear end that took 3 weeks to repair. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Just another way the AmeriKKKan people are suckers. Again you illustrate your stupidity. His Chev truck was finally fixed and runs very well. >> Just another way the AmeriKKKan people are suckers. > Again you illustrate your stupidity. > His Chev truck was finally fixed and runs very well. 15 Mpg. Compares well with other pieces of AmeriKKKan built crap. >> I much prefer 6,000lbs of steel holding back whatever idiot is driving >> drunk when I drive drunk, I prefer to drive in an old 1969 Coupe DeVille, so if some idiot in a Ford Festiva makes the mistake of getting in my way, I can leave his crumpled wreck sitting in the ditch while I'm still able to pull away from the scene. >>> I much prefer 6,000lbs of steel holding back whatever idiot is driving >>> drunk [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > leave his crumpled wreck sitting in the ditch while I'm still able to pull > away from the scene. Drunk drivers deserve capital punishment. SignatureCivis Romanus Sum "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message > Drunk drivers deserve capital punishment. Avoiding drunk drivers will sharpen one's defensive driving skills and getting hit is more or less a roll of the dice. If you're unlucky, then you might get hit. Luck plays a part in most of life's fortunes and misfortunes. If a family gets wiped out by a drunk, then so be it. It was meant to happen and might even indicate that the sober driver who got killed was evil or a sinner. > "Jim Higgins" <gordian238@hotmail.com> wrote in message > Drunk drivers > deserve capital punishment. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > meant to happen and might even indicate that the sober driver who got killed > was evil or a sinner. Of course, as you know it was God's will for the drunk driver to kill someone. >>> I much prefer 6,000lbs of steel holding back whatever idiot is driving >>> drunk [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > leave his crumpled wreck sitting in the ditch while I'm still able to pull > away from the scene. Drive an Imperial instead. There's a reason most demolition derbies specify "No Imperials" > Nothing to do with that - I just cannot trust a car that has almost zero > buffer room between me and the mack truck that is going to eventually hit [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > drunk > and without insurance. Then you should fill your car with bags of sand to make it weigh as much as possible. >> Nothing to do with that - I just cannot trust a car that has almost zero >> buffer room between me and the mack truck that is going to eventually [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Then you should fill your car with bags of sand to make it weigh as much > as possible. Feeble attempt at comeback noted. (By the way, I don't drive a car.) Signaturewww.perfectreign.com || www.filesite.org powered by the lizard: www.opensuse.org "Some O" <SO@nospam.net> wrote in message > The Smart Car is very dumb, my wife and I couldn't even go grocery > shopping in it. We need space for groceries and of course golf clubs. Then get the ForFour. The ForTwo is mostly for commuting to work and getting into tight parking spaces. It is very popular in Europe for the size, as I expect, it will be in NYC, Boston, and the like. It is not the car for a family run from Yuma to Phoenix. When I lived in Philly, I came home many a night and could not park close but had to pass spots that were just a little shorter than my full sized or even compact car. If I had a Smart, I'd just pull right in. Where I live now, I have 200 feet to park in at home and a spot at work that is 15 feet from the door. . Smart of Dumb? Get back to me in a year or so after the consumer had made their choice. > "Some O" <SO@nospam.net> wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Smart of Dumb? Get back to me in a year or so after the consumer had made > their choice. As I said the Toyota Yaris is a much better deal and I'm sure much more reliable than the ForFour: > To save production costs, the Smart Forfour shares most of its components > with the 2003 Mitsubishi Colt. Those of us who know Chrysler cars over the last 20+ years, know all about Mitsubishi's reliability. > As I said the Toyota Yaris is a much better deal and I'm sure much more > reliable than the ForFour: Yaris MPG 35 to 40 MPG SMART 60 MPG The only car I would consider purchasing at this point is a SMART car. "Some O" <SO@nospam.net> wrote in message >> Smart of Dumb? Get back to me in a year or so after the consumer had >> made >> their choice. > > As I said the Toyota Yaris is a much better deal and I'm sure much more > reliable than the ForFour: I've driven both and IMO, the Smart was the better of the two. Reliability remains to be seen.
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