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Gosi - 19 Mar 2008 12:41 GMT
On Oct 21 2007, 12:58 am, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...@mailcity.com>
wrote:
> Better do a bit of research if that is what you believe.  What you fail to
> understand is the market in the US is the largest in the world and it has
> grown dramatically since the sixties when GM sold nearly 50% of the market
> and import sales began to grow.  The number of vehicles sold today has more
> than doubled.  The market peaked in 2004 at nearly 19,000,000, currently it
> is down to a bit at over 16,000,000, but that is more than twice what it was
> in 1978 when the market reached 8,000,000.
>
> GMs currentsharepriceof around $40 is about what it was in 1960 and there
> have been two stock splits since that time, making ones initial GM
> investment worth three times the amount invested.  GM has never missed
> paying a dividend to its shareholders.

The GM share price is now below $20 and heading south.

The latest prediction about cars that will be sold 2008 is below
15.000.000
Mike hunt - 19 Mar 2008 17:12 GMT
Like I said the market has grown.   It was not too long ago, when the market
hit 8,000,000, that GM sold around half of all vehicle sold in the US.  They
sell far more vehicles today against far more competators

Actually GM stock price is closer to $30 and the the first quarter divindend
yield was near 9%    ;)

> On Oct 21 2007, 12:58 am, "Mike Hunter" <mikehu...@mailcity.com>
> wrote:
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> The latest prediction about cars that will be sold 2008 is below
> 15.000.000
Gosi - 19 Mar 2008 17:16 GMT
> Like I said the market has grown.   It was not too long ago, when the market
> hit 8,000,000, that GM sold around half of all vehicle sold in the US.  They
[quoted text clipped - 27 lines]
> > The latest prediction about cars that will be sold 2008 is below
> > 15.000.000

Last trade $19.47
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=GM

highest was close to $100
HLS - 19 Mar 2008 17:28 GMT
"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ad4dc568-cecc-4156-bc5d-

Last trade $19.47
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=GM

highest was close to $100

In today's economy, GM is one of the least likely stocks that I would
choose.
Mike hunt - 19 Mar 2008 20:02 GMT
Really?  Do you know an other stock where one can get a nearly an 8% return
on a $20 investment?    ;)

> "Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message news:ad4dc568-cecc-4156-bc5d-
>
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> In today's economy, GM is one of the least likely stocks that I would
> choose.
Gosi - 19 Mar 2008 21:28 GMT
> Really?  Do you know an other stock where one can get a nearly an 8% return
> on a $20 investment?    ;)
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> > In today's economy, GM is one of the least likely stocks that I would
> > choose.

 Earnings Estimates    Qtr(3/08)    Qtr(6/08)    FY(12/08)
Average Estimate    -0.61           0.04           -0.19
Number of Analysts    11           9            13
High Estimate           0.20           1.15            3.27
Low Estimate          -2.25          -1.71            -5.50
Year Ago EPS           0.17            2.29            -0.04
Growth Rate          -460.96%    -98.30%    -376.92%

The earnings estimatesfor Gm are really bad
Mike hunt - 19 Mar 2008 22:13 GMT
The rate of return for the first quarter of 2008 was 7.7%

On Mar 19, 7:02 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Really?  Do you know an other stock where one can get a nearly an 8%
> return
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> > In today's economy, GM is one of the least likely stocks that I would
> > choose.

 Earnings Estimates Qtr(3/08) Qtr(6/08) FY(12/08)
Average Estimate -0.61         0.04         -0.19
Number of Analysts 11         9          13
High Estimate         0.20         1.15          3.27
Low Estimate        -2.25        -1.71          -5.50
Year Ago EPS         0.17          2.29          -0.04
Growth Rate        -460.96% -98.30% -376.92%

The earnings estimatesfor Gm are really bad
Gosi - 19 Mar 2008 22:34 GMT
> The rate of return for the first quarter of 2008 was 7.7%

The first quarter is not over yet and the outlook is not positive

> On Mar 19, 7:02 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
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>
> The earnings estimatesfor Gm are really bad
Gosi - 20 Mar 2008 16:15 GMT
> > The rate of return for the first quarter of 2008 was 7.7%
>
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>
> > The earnings estimatesfor Gm are really bad

http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/mar2008/bw20080318_159697.htm?camp
aign_id=yhoouk


Bleak Forecasts for Ford and GM
As the New York Auto Show prepares to open, shares of battered U.S.
automakers struggle amid growing economic uncertainties

by David Kiley

Just in time for the New York Auto Show this week, and a major
investors' conference, General Motors (GM) and Ford (F) shares are
trading at 52-week lows with further declines in sight.

GM shares on Mar. 17 fell 7.2% to $17.83, which is lower even than the
drop in 2006 when whispers of bankruptcy were swirling around the
world's biggest automaker. Ford shares closed at $5.11. On Mar. 18,
shares of both automakers were nosing upward, along with the broader
market, after the Federal Reserve moved to bail out investment bank
Bear Stearns (BSC) and its announcement of a 75-basis-point cut in the
federal funds rate.

The share prices of the two publicly traded U.S. automakers, though,
reflect terrible fundamentals and a bleaker outlook for consumer
confidence and auto sales for the rest of the year. February auto
sales reflected what automakers and research firms forecast as a 15.2
million rate of sales for the first half of the year. The same rate is
projected for the second half, but some analysts say sales could slip
further for the year even after tax rebates from the U.S. government
stimulus package and regular tax refunds end up in mailboxes in May
and June.
Challenges in the Months Ahead

On Tuesday, J.D. Power & Associates (which, like BusinessWeek, is a
division of The McGraw-Hill Companies (MHP)) forecast 2008 auto sales
to fall to 14.95 million, the lowest level of sales since 1994. "While
the automotive industry's slow performance in January and February
certainly contributes to the anticipated drop in new-vehicle sales,
declining consumer confidence and spending, as well as turbulent
financial and economic market conditions, are primarily driving the
decline," said Jeff Schuster, executive director of automotive
forecasting for J.D. Power & Associates.

"The downturn in retail sales--coupled with declines across the fleet
market--also contributes to the overall reassessment of new-vehicle
sales for 2008," said Bob Schnorbus, chief economist at J.D. Power &
Associates. "Unfortunately, the current economic environment is
fraught with uncertainty and risk--with the financial crisis, worsening
oil prices, and weak housing and stock markets steadily impacting
other sectors of the economy. As such, our revised forecast is better
positioned to reflect the challenges automakers will face in the
months ahead."

General Motors' plight is exacerbated by a strike at one of its key
suppliers, Detroit-based American Axle & Manufacturing Holdings (AXL),
which supplies parts for GM's pickup trucks, SUVs, and some of
Chrysler's vehicles as well. GM has had to idle 30 plants for want of
parts. The interruption in production could cost GM around $300
million in the first quarter.
GMAC Caught in Mortgage Mess

Standard & Poor's (also owned by McGraw-Hill) said Mar. 17 that it is
reviewing the credit ratings of GM and three of its large suppliers
that are also affected by the strike. Robert Schulz, an S&P analyst,
said the strike by 3,650 United Auto Workers union members, which
began on Feb. 26, "has gone on long enough to possibly begin to affect
the financial resources of GM and those suppliers most exposed to the
automaker."

GM also is contending with troubles at Troy (Mich.) auto parts
supplier Delphi, which may need more cash from GM, its former parent,
to emerge from bankruptcy later this year. Also weighing on the
automaker is financial turmoil at GMAC, the financial-services
company, of which GM still owns half. GMAC lost $2.3 billion last year
as more U.S. borrowers struggled to repay home and vehicle loans.
GMAC's mortgage unit, Residential Capital, alone lost $4.3 billion as
high-risk borrowers defaulted on mortgages, a trend that's shaking the
lending industry.
Mike hunt - 20 Mar 2008 17:04 GMT
Apparently now is the time for smart investors to buy more GM and Ford stock

>> > The rate of return for the first quarter of 2008 was 7.7%
>>
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> high-risk borrowers defaulted on mortgages, a trend that's shaking the
> lending industry.
Nate Nagel - 20 Mar 2008 21:49 GMT
Have to give us a reason to first.  GM and Ford need to have a product
line that promises a recovery, and I have only seen limited bright
spots.  Otherwise they haven't hit bottom yet.

nate

> Apparently now is the time for smart investors to buy more GM and Ford stock
>
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>>high-risk borrowers defaulted on mortgages, a trend that's shaking the
>>lending industry.

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Mike hunt - 21 Mar 2008 17:47 GMT
You certainly are entitled to your own opinion of their products, but GM
still sells more vehicles than any other manufacturer, foreign or domestic.

I prefer an oth brand myself  but I do buy stock from those wiling to sell
their GM stock and I have made a lot of money in the process    LOL

> Have to give us a reason to first.  GM and Ford need to have a product
> line that promises a recovery, and I have only seen limited bright spots.
[quoted text clipped - 119 lines]
>>>high-risk borrowers defaulted on mortgages, a trend that's shaking the
>>>lending industry.
Mike - 21 Mar 2008 19:07 GMT
> You certainly are entitled to your own opinion of their products, but GM
> still sells more vehicles than any other manufacturer, foreign or domestic.

 So you are saying that even though GM sells alot of vehicles they just
aren't making any money doing it, that's why there profits are going down ?

> I prefer an oth brand myself  but I do buy stock from those wiling to sell
> their GM stock and I have made a lot of money in the process    LOL

 Well, maybe you can buy all the GM stock that is being sold now and keep
them from going under. What the hell, it's worth a shot, especially for
someone with your experience. :)

>> Have to give us a reason to first.  GM and Ford need to have a product line
>> that promises a recovery, and I have only seen limited bright spots.
[quoted text clipped - 119 lines]
>>>>high-risk borrowers defaulted on mortgages, a trend that's shaking the
>>>>lending industry.
HLS - 21 Mar 2008 21:31 GMT
>  Well, maybe you can buy all the GM stock that is being sold now and keep
> them from going under. What the hell, it's worth a shot, especially for
> someone with your experience. :)

I understand your sentiment, but of course you know that all the GM stock on
the market has already been sold and is not any asset at all to GM.

If they want to have new issues of stock to raise more money, then the
investor
would have to consider whether they are worth risking one's money.
Mike hunt - 21 Mar 2008 23:19 GMT
It appears our friend is not a stockholder merely a GM hater   LOL

>>  Well, maybe you can buy all the GM stock that is being sold now and keep
>> them from going under. What the hell, it's worth a shot, especially for
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> investor
> would have to consider whether they are worth risking one's money.
Nate Nagel - 22 Mar 2008 14:53 GMT
You keep holding that GM stock and we'll see who's laughing in five
years.  I hope I'm wrong but I don't really think so.

nate

> It appears our friend is not a stockholder merely a GM hater   LOL
>
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>>investor
>>would have to consider whether they are worth risking one's money.

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HLS - 23 Mar 2008 14:52 GMT
I wouldnt have even seen Hunt's post ordinarily.  I killfiled him a few
weeks ago.

> You keep holding that GM stock and we'll see who's laughing in five years.
> I hope I'm wrong but I don't really think so.
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>>>investor
>>>would have to consider whether they are worth risking one's money.
80 Knight - 25 Mar 2008 19:54 GMT
Why would you do that?  He's so amusing to watch.  You should marvel at his
superiority...Or you can just laugh at his AOL style post's...  LOL OMG JUST
KIDDIN.,.,.,,,...OMG LOL!!!!!!11

>I wouldnt have even seen Hunt's post ordinarily.  I killfiled him a few
> weeks ago.
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>>>>investor
>>>>would have to consider whether they are worth risking one's money.
Mike hunt - 20 Mar 2008 16:15 GMT
I was referring to the dividend paid in the first quarter.

On Mar 19, 9:13 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun...@lycos.com> wrote:
> The rate of return for the first quarter of 2008 was 7.7%

The first quarter is not over yet and the outlook is not positive

> "Gosi" <gos...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
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>
> The earnings estimatesfor Gm are really bad
Mike hunt - 19 Mar 2008 17:30 GMT
Better do a bit more research before you chose to comment further on a
subject of which you obviously have little or no knowledge   Actually GM
stock price has been higher, that was why it split two for one on two
ocassions since i first pruchased GM stock     LOL

On Mar 19, 4:12 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Like I said the market has grown.   It was not too long ago, when the
> market
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
> > The latest prediction about cars that will be sold 2008 is below
> > 15.000.000

Last trade $19.47
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=GM

highest was close to $100
Gosi - 19 Mar 2008 17:46 GMT
> Better do a bit more research before you chose to comment further on a
> subject of which you obviously have little or no knowledge   Actually GM
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>
> highest was close to $100

This graph tells the story

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GM&t=my

The prices and volumes traded show a clear trend.
The trades since 1970.

Now it close to the lowest point and the volume is at max which is a
very telling that there are a lot of people getting out of this share
and they fear the worst and are cutting their losses.
Mike hunt - 19 Mar 2008 19:59 GMT
What part of stock splits, on the price per share, do you not understand?
Ever hear of seller who buy as the stock price fluxuates?     ;)

On Mar 19, 4:30 pm, "Mike hunt" <mikehun...@lycos.com> wrote:
> Better do a bit more research before you chose to comment further on a
> subject of which you obviously have little or no knowledge   Actually GM
> stock price has been higher, that was why it split two for one on two
> ocassions since i first pruchased GM stock     LOL
>
> "Gosi" <gos...@gmail.com> wrote in message

The prices and volumes traded show a clear trend.
The trades since 1970.

Now it close to the lowest point and the volume is at max which is a
very telling that there are a lot of people getting out of this share
and they fear the worst and are cutting their losses.
HLS - 19 Mar 2008 22:23 GMT
"Gosi" <gosinn@gmail.com> wrote in message news:57e7eca4-0265-4439-8e25-

This graph tells the story

http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=GM&t=my

The prices and volumes traded show a clear trend.
The trades since 1970.

Now it close to the lowest point and the volume is at max which is a
very telling that there are a lot of people getting out of this share
and they fear the worst and are cutting their losses.

**************************
Sometimes you can make money on stocks that are "beat down", IF the basics
are good, management is strong, etc.  Opportunity for a bounceback.

IIRC, GM paid a good dividend, but then had to reduce it somewhat.

One of the key indicators, for investors like myself, is to watch the
regularity
and level of the dividends.  If these falter, you'd better think about
getting out.
Reasoning is clear.

I have only one stock that pays a crappy dividend, and that will change as
soon
as conditions are right to sell it.

We are not "traders" or "speculators".  We invest.

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