I own a 2001 Lumina sedan with 65,000 miles on it's 3.1 V-6. I bought
it as rental return about five years ago, and have put about 45,000
miles on it, and I generally take good care of the car. The problem is
that when the engine is cold, I have a fairly loud tapping noise
(moreso than a click) coming from the motor. It is hard to pinpoint
the location, but it is not in the immediate area of the rocker arm
covers. It's loud enough that I like to let the car warm up some
before I drive it. Typically the motor is quiet when it first starts,
but then it gets noisy in less than a minute. It settles down after
the engine gets to full temperature. The car drives fine. I have been
told the engine is a bad design. Motor oil brands and types
(synthetic) do not make any difference in the smoothness of the motor.
I am reluctant to use additives. I need to keep this car, but I am not
familiar with the workings of the valve train or lifters, etc. If
someone is has had some experience with this motor and can offer an
opinion or conjecture, I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Scott
Edwin Pawlowski - 20 Mar 2008 10:48 GMT
<scseaquist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> The problem is
> that when the engine is cold, I have a fairly loud tapping noise
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> but then it gets noisy in less than a minute. It settles down after
> the engine gets to full temperature.
It may pay you to spend the money to have a pro check it out. If you can't
pinpoint the noise it may not be the engine at all. I have one car that
sounds like you describe, but it is the pollution pump valve, not the engine
itself that makes the noise. Quiets down after it runs for a couple of
minutes.
Not being able to hear it, none of us can say for sure what the sound is.
Shep - 20 Mar 2008 21:35 GMT
The usual piston slap on just about all 3.1's after 96?
> <scseaquist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> The problem is
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> Not being able to hear it, none of us can say for sure what the sound is.
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Doug Adams - 20 Mar 2008 21:56 GMT
You will be wasting your time and money taking it to a mechanic. This is a
typical problem with these engines, just turn the radio a little louder and
maybe it will muffle most of it out. Or you could redesign GM's engine with
longer piston skirts and get it to stop. I had one with 173,000 miles on it
and still running strong that made the same noise.
>I own a 2001 Lumina sedan with 65,000 miles on it's 3.1 V-6. I bought
> it as rental return about five years ago, and have put about 45,000
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>
> Scott
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Paul - 20 Mar 2008 23:56 GMT
> I own a 2001 Lumina sedan with 65,000 miles on it's 3.1 V-6. I bought
> it as rental return about five years ago, and have put about 45,000
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>
> Scott
Piston slap.
You could have the engine rebuilt with better pistons but it is probably
not worth it.
Scott Buchanan - 24 Mar 2008 01:49 GMT
If it is what I am thinking about, this was a known problem with older 3.1
engines. It is said to be wrist pin clearance causing the noise. I would
have hoped that they would have fixed it by your year. GM says that there is
nothing to worry about. My '93 does it when cold when giving anything but a
very light throttle.
> I own a 2001 Lumina sedan with 65,000 miles on it's 3.1 V-6. I bought
> it as rental return about five years ago, and have put about 45,000
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>
> Scott
80 Knight - 25 Mar 2008 19:50 GMT
As far as I can recall, it's actually a common problem with the newer
3100's, not the 3.1 you would have in your '93. I had two 3.1 motors in 2
different Grand Prix's. Keep feeding them gas and they'll run forever. On
my second Grand Prix, the engine drove the rest of the car all the way to
the junk yard, after the body started getting bad. Kicked my 1997 Cutlass
Supreme's a.s all the way there too...
> If it is what I am thinking about, this was a known problem with older 3.1
> engines. It is said to be wrist pin clearance causing the noise. I would
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>> Scott
Bubba Obama - 29 Mar 2008 04:17 GMT
>I own a 2001 Lumina sedan with 65,000 miles on it's 3.1 V-6. I bought
> it as rental return about five years ago, and have put about 45,000
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>
> Scott
Could be piston slap that these engines are know for when cold. But its not
really all that loud, just annoying because you know it shouldnt be there.
Doesnt seem to effect performance or the life of the engine.
Bubba Obama - 29 Mar 2008 04:19 GMT
>I own a 2001 Lumina sedan with 65,000 miles on it's 3.1 V-6. I bought
> it as rental return about five years ago, and have put about 45,000
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Scott
Could be piston slap that these engines are know for when cold. But its not
really all that loud, just annoying because you know it shouldnt be there.
Doesnt seem to effect performance or the life of the engine.