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Do I need snow tires?

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---MIKE--- - 22 Oct 2008 13:20 GMT
2001 Chev Prizm. I ran snow tires on the front for the last seven years.
I now find that my old snows are no good. My regular tires are all
season radials and I do very little driving in the winter - never during
storms.   My driving is all on well maintained country roads. Do I
really need snow tires?

                 ---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15'  N - Elevation 1580')
HLS - 22 Oct 2008 13:47 GMT
Just my 2 cents, but I tried to use all season tires one year, and found
them
to be inappropriate and dangerous, whether on snow or ice.

In cold country, I would not be without winter tires.

2001 Chev Prizm. I ran snow tires on the front for the last seven years.
I now find that my old snows are no good. My regular tires are all
season radials and I do very little driving in the winter - never during
storms. My driving is all on well maintained country roads. Do I
really need snow tires?

                 ---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15'  N - Elevation 1580')
HLS - 22 Oct 2008 20:13 GMT
> Just my 2 cents, but I tried to use all season tires one year, and found
> them
> to be inappropriate and dangerous, whether on snow or ice.
>
> In cold country, I would not be without winter tires.

I lived in Norway, and it was a legal requirement that adequate winter tires
be
mounted.  All season tires were, I understand, legal, but my Michelin all
seasons
were not up to the job.

If we did not have proper tires, the insurance could refuse to pay in case
of an accident.

Therefore, my answer reflects rather rigid caution.

I used spiked tires at that time because the unspiked were not so very good.
If I
were to go back, I would use the regular winter tires.
80_Knight - 22 Oct 2008 14:48 GMT
2001 Chev Prizm. I ran snow tires on the front for the last seven years.
I now find that my old snows are no good. My regular tires are all
season radials and I do very little driving in the winter - never during
storms. My driving is all on well maintained country roads. Do I
really need snow tires?

=================================================

I think that depends on your driving abilities, the quality of the
all-season tires (IE, if you got the set for $50, I would get winters), and
your own preference.  I'm in Ontario, and we get some bad storms in winter,
and I have never used winter tires.  A car I bought several years ago came
with them (from the previous owner), and I took them off and put on a good
set of all-seasons as soon as I got it home.  If you are that used to the
winters, then perhaps it is a good idea to get a new set, but like I said,
that's a personal preference.
Harry Face - 22 Oct 2008 16:02 GMT
Chicago snow driver here. Never had snow tires on any car I owned. RWD
or FWD.

Been running Goodyear Regatta II's on my Bonneville. They seem pretty
good in snow. The Buick has Michelian Symetry that work well in snow.
Both have 80,000 mile  tread life.

Good luck,

harryface
91 Bonneville 315,801
05 Park Avenue 78,124
Vic Smith - 22 Oct 2008 20:37 GMT
>Chicago snow driver here. Never had snow tires on any car I owned. RWD
>or FWD.
>
>Been running Goodyear Regatta II's on my Bonneville. They seem pretty
>good in snow. The Buick has Michelian Symetry that work well in snow.
>Both have 80,000 mile  tread life.

Same here.  Remember that '78-'79 winter with 90 inches of snow?
Had a '67 Skylark.  RWD.
Two 100 lb bags of sand in the trunk kept me good.
Never got stuck or slid around.
I use all-seasons.  Think I've got the Regattas on the Corsica.
TireRack has reviews.
http://www.tirerack.com/indexA.jsp?search=
The Goodyear all-seasons I had on my Corsica were real good
in the snow and rain.  Somebody sliced them, and I got the Regattas
as replacements.  Not as good as ones that were sliced, but those were
discontinued.  Can't remember the model.
I would read the tirerack reviews for my car before getting any tire.
You'll find some tires are panned by most who have them, but a tire
shop salesman will swear by them.
Best be careful trying out a new tire in the rain/snow.
You might find they break loose sooner than expected.
Despite ok reviews, it was obvious the Regattas didn't hold as well as
the ones they replaced, but no big deal.
Just adjusted my speed down a bit, and increased following distance a
bit.
Test those new ones so you won't be surprised.

--Vic
HLS - 23 Oct 2008 19:35 GMT
> 2001 Chev Prizm. I ran snow tires on the front for the last seven years.
> I now find that my old snows are no good. My regular tires are all
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> used to the winters, then perhaps it is a good idea to get a new set, but
> like I said, that's a personal preference.

Do you drive on ice constantly in the winter, or is it just mostly snow,
Knight?

We had ice most of the time.
80_Knight - 25 Oct 2008 23:27 GMT
>> 2001 Chev Prizm. I ran snow tires on the front for the last seven years.
>> I now find that my old snows are no good. My regular tires are all
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>
> We had ice most of the time.

I'd say mostly snow.
HLS - 26 Oct 2008 21:41 GMT
"80_Knight" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> Do you drive on ice constantly in the winter, or is it just mostly snow,
>> Knight?
>>
>> We had ice most of the time.

That is probably the difference. In some areas we drove on sheet
ice 5 or so months out of the year.  Black ice was also sometimes
an issue.
80_Knight - 27 Oct 2008 07:18 GMT
> "80_Knight" <nospam@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> Do you drive on ice constantly in the winter, or is it just mostly snow,
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> ice 5 or so months out of the year.  Black ice was also sometimes
> an issue.

We do get ice, but I would say our ice trucks usually do quite well.
Mike Hunter - 22 Oct 2008 18:26 GMT
Since you apparently do not drive in deep or unplowed snow very often, If I
were you I would buy "Winter" tires rather than snow tires.  Unlike "All
Season" tires, "Winter" tires are made with rubber more like a motorcycle
tires that work very well at temperatures below 20 degrees and are more
secure on wet and icy roads.  Just stay away for Bridgestone winter tires,
they are way overpriced and not as good as others on the market.

2001 Chev Prizm. I ran snow tires on the front for the last seven years.
I now find that my old snows are no good. My regular tires are all
season radials and I do very little driving in the winter - never during
storms. My driving is all on well maintained country roads. Do I
really need snow tires?

                 ---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15'  N - Elevation 1580')
Mike Marlow - 23 Oct 2008 00:26 GMT
2001 Chev Prizm. I ran snow tires on the front for the last seven years.
I now find that my old snows are no good. My regular tires are all
season radials and I do very little driving in the winter - never during
storms. My driving is all on well maintained country roads. Do I
really need snow tires?

=====================================================

I live in upstate NY where we get approximately 300" of snow per year.  I
have not put a set of snow tires on a car since 1970.  I live in a very
rural area and drive a lot of miles per year.  I've never had one bit of
trouble with good all season radials on our cars.  My plow truck does not
even have snows on it.

There are many who think highly of snow tires and would not be without them,
but if you look around you, you'll see that the vast majority of the cars on
the road are doing just fine without them.

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-Mike-
mmarlowREMOVE@alltel.net

BlueBuyYoo - 23 Oct 2008 01:20 GMT
> 2001 Chev Prizm. I ran snow tires on the front for the last seven years.
> I now find that my old snows are no good. My regular tires are all
> season radials and I do very little driving in the winter - never during
> storms.   My driving is all on well maintained country roads. Do I
> really need snow tires?

Today's "snow" tires are really winter tires.

The rubber compound grips much better in lower temperatures.  I bought a
set of Micheline X-Ice 2 years ago and the difference is very
noticeable.  All season tires freeze up quickly and slide much more on
very cold surfaces.  In Ontario, we get long stretches of sub-zero temps
 and winter tires work well.

If the temperature in your area doesn't go below freezing for long
periods of time, you probably will do fine with all seasons though.
Ed Pawlowski - 23 Oct 2008 02:22 GMT
2001 Chev Prizm. I ran snow tires on the front for the last seven years.
I now find that my old snows are no good. My regular tires are all
season radials and I do very little driving in the winter - never during
storms. My driving is all on well maintained country roads. Do I
really need snow tires?

                 ---MIKE---
>>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>> (44° 15'  N - Elevation 1580')

Here in New England the roads are usually well maintained and plowed
promptly.  I've not used snow tires since the early 70's and never had a
problem.  On the day the snow is falling they may help but the next day the
road is usually pretty well cleared.  On glare ice, studs are the only thing
worth while for help.  My '62 Corvair was great in the snow.  Screw Nader
Some O - 26 Oct 2008 08:53 GMT
> 2001 Chev Prizm. I ran snow tires on the front for the last seven years.
> I now find that my old snows are no good. My regular tires are all
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >>In the White Mountains of New Hampshire
>  >> (44° 15'  N - Elevation 1580')

I've used  Michelin all season tires since 1984 on FWD cars with very
good success.
Over those years Michelin all seasons have improved significantly, each
time I get a new set the traction is better.
Previous to that I had RWD and found studded winter tires best.

The  winter conditions when driving to west coast Canada ski hills often
goes from wet (+3°C) to ice and  wet snow to dry snow (-8°C) all within
a two hr drive, with several hills for a 2,000 ft elevation gain in the
last hour.
A few times I've been stopped on ice in stopped traffic, then moved off
with  no wheel spin on an upgrade.  VERY gentle one must be!
With many years of winter driving under my belt, I must say how one
drives is as important as the tires. I find automatic much better for
gentle power application than a stick shift. I have about equal years
with both types of transmission.
This winter I have a newer car with traction control, I expect it will
be of advantage when starting off.  We'll see.  Up till now I've been
using the brakes lightly to avoid one wheel spinning when starting off.

Passing several cars on the long steep hill leaving our area, in 25cm of
new  unplowed snow is my smiling memory of snow driving last year.
I can't remember how many times I've had to pull into deeper snow to
pass upscale RDW cars such as BMWs which suddenly bog down on our city
roads, which occasionally get significant snow. I assume they just had
their typical high speed summer tires on.
 
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