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Need a new rear main seal on 99 civic

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Randall Stephens - 26 Mar 2004 15:20 GMT
Just got the call.  The seal is cheap, but they have to pull the trans to
replace it. Cost is over $500. Is that reasonable.  I know how to fix the
little things, but I don't think I could pull the trans on my 12.99 Rhino
Ramps from AutoZone.

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Jeff Tamblyn - 27 Mar 2004 01:18 GMT
at least get 2 more estimates. I'll bet an indy shop will charge a lot less.
Mista Bone - 27 Mar 2004 01:34 GMT
Thatis a fair price.

I charge $200 labor to R&R a tranny, another $50 labor to change the clutch.
Then figure another hour to change the rear main seal.

I'm not a shop either, just a backyard mechanic that does alot of Honda
Civic manual transmissions.

I'm "D" tranny guru.

> Just got the call.  The seal is cheap, but they have to pull the trans to
> replace it. Cost is over $500. Is that reasonable.  I know how to fix the
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> Greg
Tegger? - 27 Mar 2004 02:20 GMT
> Thatis a fair price.
>
> I charge $200 labor to R&R a tranny,

Interesting.

My '91 Integra has 223K on the original clutch. Second gear synchro is
getting weak, and I have to keep the revs at 4K or below when shifting into
2nd, otherwise the lever hangs up. And I will NOT force it into gear.

I figure when the clutch finally goes, I'll get the tranny rebuilt at the
same time, as I'm sure the bearings won't last forever.

However, NOBODY will quote me a price for rebuilding the tranny. They ALL
say "well it depends...".

The tranny has always had the lube changed every year with originally 10W-
30, and later with Honda's own MTL.

I have always double-clutched when downshifting.

All the other gears shift fine. No unusual noises or behavior (this
confirmed by my Japanese mechanic).

At bare minimum, the 2nd gear synchro assembly and all the bearings need to
be changed. And probably at least one shift fork.

What would *you* say would be an "average" cost to rebuild this tranny?

I'd just kinda like some sort of ballpark so I know what to expect.

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Randall Stevens - 27 Mar 2004 07:53 GMT
I went to pick up my car from the Honda dealer.  Everything looked good.
So i decided to go through the free carwash at the dealer
everything was going fine
Then I went to pull out into traffic.
I was just easing out into the road when my trans was gone
The engine revved uncontrolably and I coasted to a stop 15 feet from the
driveway in the middle of the road
i had lost all of my gears! no forward or reverse
I had to get out and push it off the road
I could hear it spinning and it made a pleasant TWANG sound when i tried to
shift gears
So i had to call the service desk 15 minutes before they closed
he told me that the guy will not be back in until monday at noon
so they gave me a rental camry for the weekend
What do you think they screwed up when they took off the tranny to replace
the rear main seal?
What type of compensation should i ask for?
I am pretty upset about the whole thing

greg

> > Thatis a fair price.
> >
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> I'd just kinda like some sort of ballpark so I know what to expect.
Stephen Bigelow - 27 Mar 2004 14:20 GMT
> I went to pick up my car from the Honda dealer.  Everything looked good.
> So i decided to go through the free carwash at the dealer
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> the rear main seal?
> What type of compensation should i ask for?

For what?
Pain and suffering?

> I am pretty upset about the whole thing

Stuff happens.

> greg
Randall Stephens - 29 Mar 2004 15:14 GMT
inconvenience and poor service

> > I went to pick up my car from the Honda dealer.  Everything looked good.
> > So i decided to go through the free carwash at the dealer
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> > greg
ravelation - 27 Mar 2004 16:20 GMT

gregtoft@zoomtown.com (Randall Stevens) wrote:

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>What type of compensation should i ask
>for? I am pretty upset about the whole
>thing

As you should be, Greg! Wow, not only did they screw your Civic up, but
they gave you a *Camry* as a rental? Honda using Toyota for their
service rentals??
What next? Firestone tires on their vehicles?

Your compensation should be your car fixed back to the condition it was
before they got their mits on it.
Chip Stein - 27 Mar 2004 23:14 GMT
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> >What type of compensation should i ask
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> Your compensation should be your car fixed back to the condition it was
> before they got their mits on it.

most likely one of the axles pulled out. if one pops out of the tranny
it won't move.
      Chip
Mista Bone - 28 Mar 2004 01:21 GMT
Axle popped out of the diff, wasn't fully seated.
Tell dealership you want a FREE rental while they order a NEW axle from
Honda parts.

Not a reman, a NEW axle.

When the axle pops out it damages the splines, sometimes damages the diff.
inside the tranny.

> I went to pick up my car from the Honda dealer.  Everything looked good.
> So i decided to go through the free carwash at the dealer
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> > www.google.com
> > www.groups.google.com
Mista Bone - 28 Mar 2004 01:18 GMT
Figure most rebuild kits from Standard Transmissions are $150-200, plus
labor.
Also with 90-93 Teg trannys, the synchro is fine, but the dog teeth are
worn.

Ball park figure, $500-600 if you remove the tranny.

> > Thatis a fair price.
> >
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> www.google.com
> www.groups.google.com
Tegger? - 28 Mar 2004 16:11 GMT
> Figure most rebuild kits from Standard Transmissions are $150-200,
> plus labor.
> Also with 90-93 Teg trannys, the synchro is fine, but the dog teeth
> are worn.
>
> Ball park figure, $500-600 if you remove the tranny.

Thanks.

And how many hours to remove and replace the tranny?

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Mista Bone - 29 Mar 2004 09:44 GMT
book rate states 6 hours, my fastest to date is 2:14 on a 96 del Sol.

> > Figure most rebuild kits from Standard Transmissions are $150-200,
> > plus labor.
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Tegger? - 29 Mar 2004 14:24 GMT
> book rate states 6 hours, my fastest to date is 2:14 on a 96 del Sol.

Thank you.

I have determined that a new clutch and tranny rebuild, with all the taxes
in, is likely to cost me in the neighborhood of $1,500 US ($2,000
Canadian), assuming my guy does it all for me.

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George Macdonald - 27 Mar 2004 14:25 GMT
>Just got the call.  The seal is cheap, but they have to pull the trans to
>replace it. Cost is over $500. Is that reasonable.  I know how to fix the
>little things, but I don't think I could pull the trans on my 12.99 Rhino
>Ramps from AutoZone.

Who told you this?  This is a favorite dealer $$ generator.  Is the leak
bad, i.e. do you have to add fresh oil to keep the level up and how often,
mileage-wise?  If it's very minor a change to one of the extended life
engine oils, like Valvoline MaxLife might help swell the seal enough to
stop the leak.

If you have to have the work done, then it'd be worth considering whether
you want to have anything else done, which might come due anyway, while the
transmision is off, like clutch or torque converter overhaul.

Rgds, George Macdonald

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Randall Stephens - 29 Mar 2004 15:20 GMT
the leak was pretty bad.  It went from a few drops to large puddles every
time I stopped.  It was up to about a quart every two weeks

> >Just got the call.  The seal is cheap, but they have to pull the trans to
> >replace it. Cost is over $500. Is that reasonable.  I know how to fix the
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>
> "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who, me??
Randall Stephens - 30 Mar 2004 18:13 GMT
UPDATE
I went to pick up my car and the antennae was broken. ( he had it fixed for
me)
I asked to speak with the service manager and told him about the problem.
this wasn't the first thing they screwed up either.  A few months ago they
forgot to put the dipstick back in after an oil change and when we got a new
muffler on my car the tailpipe was smashed.
For my trouble he took $250 off the bill

> the leak was pretty bad.  It went from a few drops to large puddles every
> time I stopped.  It was up to about a quart every two weeks
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> > "Just because they're paranoid doesn't mean you're not psychotic" - Who,
> me??
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