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2004 Honda Accord - Knocking noise in engine

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Pradeep Inamati - 20 Aug 2004 17:52 GMT
2004 Honda Accord EX

At low RPMs there is a knocking noise when I press the accelerator.
The car was bought less than a year ago, but the dealer is asking $112
just to check it out. Should I check with another dealer? Should the
check be free?

Thanks.
aljudy - 20 Aug 2004 18:45 GMT
My guess is low octane gasoline is causing your knocking noise. If you Accord is V6, it generally needs premium gas. The 4 cylinder runs on regular. However, gasoline may vary from station to station and from time to time due to their suppliers...  Al
 2004 Honda Accord EX

 At low RPMs there is a knocking noise when I press the accelerator.
 The car was bought less than a year ago, but the dealer is asking $112
 just to check it out. Should I check with another dealer? Should the
 check be free?

 Thanks
John Horner - 20 Aug 2004 19:24 GMT
Not true, the owners manual for our '03 Accord V6 specifies regular fuel,
not premium.

John

My guess is low octane gasoline is causing your knocking noise. If you
Accord is V6, it generally needs premium gas. The 4 cylinder runs on
regular. However, gasoline may vary from station to station and from time to
time due to their suppliers...  Al
aljudy - 20 Aug 2004 20:33 GMT
I may be confused with Acura, but I thought the 04 Accord V6 asked for premium. My 04 Accord is 4 cylinders and I know that one asks for regular...  Al

 Not true, the owners manual for our '03 Accord V6 specifies regular fuel,
 not premium.

 John

 >>>>>>>>>>
 "aljudy" <nowhere@yahoo.com> wrote in message
 news:JMqVc.1018$Rp6.273@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...
 My guess is low octane gasoline is causing your knocking noise. If you
 Accord is V6, it generally needs premium gas. The 4 cylinder runs on
 regular. However, gasoline may vary from station to station and from time to
 time due to their suppliers...  Al
Dean - 20 Aug 2004 21:33 GMT
"John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:wlrVc.766
> Not true, the owners manual for our '03 Accord V6 specifies regular fuel,
> not premium.

well, in any case, trying premium gas wouldn't hurt, and it would be a cheap
test.

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lcopps - 21 Aug 2004 04:39 GMT
Honda engins will adjust the firing interval to the grade. It works well
with all grades.

> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:wlrVc.766
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> well, in any case, trying premium gas wouldn't hurt, and it would be a cheap
> test.
SoCalMike - 21 Aug 2004 06:23 GMT
> "John Horner" <jthorner@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:wlrVc.766
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> well, in any case, trying premium gas wouldn't hurt, and it would be a cheap
> test.

its known that the V6 gets a few more horses when high octane is used.
google for it, check google groups, or whatever. it was a direct "off
the record" quote from honda engineers. theres a link to the site, but i
have no clue what it is. i HAVE read the article, at least twice.
Sean D - 20 Aug 2004 19:43 GMT
$112 just to look at it?  Haven't they ever heard of a warranty?  The only
thing my dealer makes me pay for is oil changes and scheduled services.

Sean

> 2004 Honda Accord EX
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Thanks.
Chip Stein - 21 Aug 2004 02:03 GMT
> $112 just to look at it?  Haven't they ever heard of a warranty?  The only
> thing my dealer makes me pay for is oil changes and scheduled services.

      how does the dealer know it's not the consumers fault? take it
in and see. if honda covers it great, if it turns out it's your fault
then pay for it.
  Never assume something is under warranty.  A lady last week said
her car pulled right with only 200 miles on it, they wrote it up as
customer pay for an alignment. got it in the air and the subframe was
crushed and the right front wheel was bent, concrete powder
everywhere.. If we  wrote it up as warranty in the first place then
what???? Half the warranty problems out there are actually consumer
problems. I'm not saying yours is not warrantable, just don't count on
it 100%
                               Chip
Sean D - 21 Aug 2004 02:25 GMT
> > $112 just to look at it?  Haven't they ever heard of a warranty?  The only
> > thing my dealer makes me pay for is oil changes and scheduled services.
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> it 100%
>                                 Chip

I agree that if it's the customers fault then they should pay for the
repair.  But the initial check should be done free of charge (that's what my
dealer does.)  If it's warrantee, then no problem.  If it's customer fault,
explain to them what needs to be repaired and tell them what it will cost.

The charge I objected to, was for the initial check itself, not the repair.
The check should be free as part of customer service and goodwill.  That's
how my dealer does it.  Of course, all my stuff has been warrantee since I
don't make a habit of jumping curbs like the lady you mentioned.  Things
might be different if it was a problem I caused.  Fortunately, I've never
had to find out.

Sean
Imminent Vengeance - 20 Aug 2004 23:15 GMT
> 2004 Honda Accord EX
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Thanks.

If the sound resembles pinging, like beans in a tin can, try a higher
quality gasoline brand (regardless of octane).  My '93 Accord would ping on
acceleration with cheap gas in the tank.  Switching to a higher quality
brand eliminated the pinging.
E. Meyer - 21 Aug 2004 03:33 GMT
On 8/20/04 11:52 AM, in article
ebdb7ec8.0408200852.5cbb1380@posting.google.com, "Pradeep Inamati"
<pinamati@yahoo.com> wrote:

> 2004 Honda Accord EX
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Thanks.

I would check another dealer.  I assume the car is still under warranty (you
didn't mention mileage).

This seems to be something some Honda dealers are learning from GM to
minimize warranty claims - scare them off with hefty up front fees before a
determination of warranty status is made.
ravelation - 21 Aug 2004 16:01 GMT

e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org (E. Meyer)
wrote:

>This seems to be something some
>Honda dealers are learning from GM to
>minimize warranty claims - scare them
>off with hefty up front fees before a
>determination of warranty status is
>made.

Doesn't the manufacturer reimburse the dealer for warranty repairs?

Speaking of hefty up front fees, I just encountered a classic example of
that. A neighbor recommended I take my car to the local AAMCO to
diagnose a problem I'm having with my Infiniti G20T. The owner is in his
business group. I called and was told they had a $78. diagnosis fee that
applies to any work done. My husband quickly pointed out how that
marries you to the place for the work.
When they called back to find out why I didn't show up, I told them I
took it to Jerry's Transmission and got a free diagnosis. They responded
by saying, "They don't have the reputation that we do."  He's meaning it
one way, and I'm KNOWING it's the other.
SoCalMike - 21 Aug 2004 17:39 GMT
>  
> e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org (E. Meyer)
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> by saying, "They don't have the reputation that we do."  He's meaning it
> one way, and I'm KNOWING it's the other.

i love their commercials...

"half of all cars that come here dont need a new transmission"

well, umm... that insinuates that they think half do. and without even
looking at it!
Steve Bigelow - 21 Aug 2004 18:43 GMT
e52.meyer0SPAM@ieee.org (E. Meyer)
wrote:

>This seems to be something some
>Honda dealers are learning from GM to
>minimize warranty claims - scare them
>off with hefty up front fees before a
>determination of warranty status is
>made.

Doesn't the manufacturer reimburse the dealer for warranty repairs?

Speaking of hefty up front fees, I just encountered a classic example of
that. A neighbor recommended I take my car to the local AAMCO to
diagnose a problem I'm having with my Infiniti G20T. The owner is in his
business group. I called and was told they had a $78. diagnosis fee that
applies to any work done. My husband quickly pointed out how that
marries you to the place for the work.

What is stopping you from taking your diagnosis elsewhere?
ravelation - 21 Aug 2004 20:57 GMT

stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com (Steve Bigelow) wrote;

>>I take my car to the local AAMCO to
>>diagnose a problem I'm having with my
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>pointed out how that marries you to the
>>place for the work.

>What is stopping you from taking your
>diagnosis elsewhere?

Nothing. That's exactly what I did and it was a free diagnosis.
Steve Bigelow - 21 Aug 2004 22:49 GMT
stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com (Steve Bigelow) wrote;

>>I take my car to the local AAMCO to
>>diagnose a problem I'm having with my
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>>pointed out how that marries you to the
>>place for the work.

>What is stopping you from taking your
>diagnosis elsewhere?

>Nothing. That's exactly what I did and it was a free diagnosis.

That's not what I meant.
ravelation - 22 Aug 2004 16:37 GMT

stevebigelowXXX@rogers.com (Steve Bigelow) wrote:

>>What is stopping you from taking your
>>diagnosis elsewhere?

>Nothing. That's exactly what I did and it
>was a free diagnosis.

>>That's not what I meant.

It took me a minute to figure out what you *did* mean....If I paid the
$78. to diagnose the problem and AAMCO applies that $78. to the work
that's needed, it wouldn't be cost effective to pay them $78. and then
go somewhere else and pay full pop for the work, as I doubt the new
place would feel sorry for my $78. investment at AAMCO and apply it
towards their bill.
Hence, my "married to them" for the service comment.
Chip Stein - 22 Aug 2004 18:07 GMT
> Speaking of hefty up front fees, I just encountered a classic example of
> that. A neighbor recommended I take my car to the local AAMCO to
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> What is stopping you from taking your diagnosis elsewhere?

  you actually went to  Automatics Always Must Come Out?
 haven't heard any good stories about them.
                 Chip
ravelation - 23 Aug 2004 03:19 GMT

chip@chipanddebby.com (Chip Stein)
wrote:

      >you actually went to Automatics
>Always Must Come Out? haven't heard
>any good stories about them.

Ha! Good one.

Nope. Didn't go as that fee turned me off.
 
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