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Car Forum / Honda Cars / September 20042004 Acura TL
We traded my Lexus RX300 for the TL and haven't looked back. For those considering a luxury car purchase, look at the TL. It's still full MSRP on the nav. packaged model, but we haven't been sorry for paying it (and I HATE paying retail!). If you love gadgetry, this car is for you. If you love power (270 hp), this car is for you. We love it. If there are any other owners of this vehicle reading this, please share your thoughts/problems about this car. TL SUX! I'd rather wait for the '05 RL... V6 300hp! GPS with realtime traffic!!!!!! ____________________________________ Do not write below this line. Reserved for me. > We traded my Lexus RX300 for the TL and haven't looked back. For those what fuel rating does it require? >>We traded my Lexus RX300 for the TL >what fuel rating does it require? 91 or better. One of the few drawbacks... "ravelation" > We traded my Lexus RX300 for the TL and haven't looked back. For those > considering a luxury car purchase, look at the TL. It's still full MSRP [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > If there are any other owners of this vehicle reading this, please share > your thoughts/problems about this car. I got the TSX NOT because it's cheaper but because TL is an American car, designed for (prbably by) American, built by American (Ohio). And I swear off American car long ago. > And I swear off American car long ago. i swore at american cars long ago... thats why i drive a honda. "SoCalMike" > i swore at american cars long ago... > thats why i drive a honda. How about if that Honda is made in Ohio ? > "SoCalMike" > >>i swore at american cars long ago... >>thats why i drive a honda. > > How about if that Honda is made in Ohio ? They may be assembeled there, but I doubt they have any say over the design process. Parts might even be manufactured there, but it's all to Japanese specs. >> "SoCalMike" >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > design process. Parts might even be manufactured there, but it's all to > Japanese specs. sadly, from the stories of rattles and stuff ive been hearing, the specs are not being met. time to crack down on suppliers? "Brian" > They may be assembeled there, but I doubt they have any say over the > design process. Parts might even be manufactured there, but it's all to > Japanese specs. Think it's more than assembly. On window sticker - Engine : US > "SoCalMike" > >>i swore at american cars long ago... >>thats why i drive a honda. > > How about if that Honda is made in Ohio ? It's still a Honda & it's still not an American car. > "SoCalMike" > >>i swore at american cars long ago... >>thats why i drive a honda. > > How about if that Honda is made in Ohio ? i was mostly swearing at the engineering and design, which affects build quality. all done in detroit at the time. > i was mostly swearing at the engineering and design, which affects build > quality. all done in detroit at the time. Oh, you are so kidding yourself. Part of the engineering is in how to actually build the car on the line. And the rest is in the hands of the workers. Yeah, I bought an '04 Accord EX. I have 102,000 miles on my I30t and will be selling it in a few months. I won't be keeping my Accord nearly as long. Maybe 70-80K miles. Engine, U.S. Tranny, U.S. Content is about 70% U.S. I just don't expect that much from the car, and consider it to be priced accordingly (no pun intended). The reasons I bought it was the TL is ugly (IMHO), has twitchy handling, and has a tiny trunk. And only the low-end Accords are imported from Japan, so that option didn't exist. Japs don't show up hung over, on drugs, more interested in butts than bumper covers, or put sexual harrassment suits above engine assembly. They are waging economic war with the rest of the world and recognize that perfection will prevail in the long run. JM > The reasons I bought it was the TL is ugly (IMHO), has twitchy > handling, and has a tiny trunk. And only the low-end Accords are > imported from Japan, so that option didn't exist. 10 or so years ago, only the high end EX models were imported from japan. when did that change? all the USDM hatches were made in canada, which has even cheaper labor than the US or japan. >I have 102,000 miles on my I30t and will >be selling it in a few months. Infiniti, right? I recently picked up a '99 G20T and this thing has the most comfortable seats! Was yours trouble free? >I won't be keeping my Accord nearly as >long. Maybe 70-80K miles. Engine, U.S. >Tranny, U.S. Content is about 70% U.S. >I just don't expect that much from the >car, and consider it to be priced >accordingly (no pun intended). My son really wants a 6 cyl Accord but I can't get past the tranny troubles. It's just too much, the complaints. > >I have 102,000 miles on my I30t and will > >be selling it in a few months. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > My son really wants a 6 cyl Accord but I can't get past the tranny > troubles. It's just too much, the complaints. I don't want to turn this into a Infiniti love-fest, but yes, the I30/I30t is made by Infiniti. My 1996 was the most trouble-free car made that year. Beat Lexus LS400, etc. Now, I hasten to add that Lexus was the most trouble-free car line, but model-for-model, the I30 beat all other individual models. And overall, the Infiniti line was breathing down Lexus' neck, so to speak. My major troubles were: a/c compressor failed at 22,000 miles. Fixed under warranty and they told me it was the Q45 compressors that typically failed, while the I30's were considered bullet-proof. Driver's power seat failed just inside warranty, and the track mechanism was replaced. Starter made noise and was replaced at 94,000. The bendix had been making noise for years, but I finally got tired of hearing it. And figured it wouldn't impress a buyer either. Water pump failed at 95,000 miles. A $650 repair bill made me question the good sense of keeping the car a few more months. That's it, other than maintenance. I would no longer consider a new Infiniti. They are now majority owned by Renault. And, although Renault's management pulled Nissan/Infiniti away from the brink of bankruptcy, they are French, and that won't do it for me (politically speaking). JM >They are now majority >owned by Renault. And, although Renault's management pulled >Nissan/Infiniti away from the brink of bankruptcy, they are French, >and that won't do it for me (politically speaking). > >JM Well, then... make sure you add the following to your boycott list: French Products and Companies: ** Air France. Air Liquide. Airbus. Alcatel. Allegra (allergy medication). Aqualung (including: Spirotechnique, Technisub, US Divers, and SeaQuest). AXA Advisors. ** Bank of the West (owned by BNP Paribas). Beneteau (boats). BF Goodrich (owned by Michelin). BIC (razors, pens and lighters). Biotherm (cosmetics). Black Bush. Bollinger (champagne). ** Car & Driver Magazine. Cartier. Chanel. Chivas Regal (scotch). Christian Dior. Club Med (vacations). Culligan (owned by Vivendi). ** Dannon (yogurt and dairy foods). DKNY. Dom Perignon. Durand Crystal. ** Elle Magazine. Essilor Optical Products. Evian. ** Fina gas stations and Fina Oil (billions invested in Iraqi oil fields). First Hawaiian Bank. ** George Magazine. Givenchy. Glenlivet (scotch). ** Hennessy. Houghton Mifflin (books). ** Jacobs Creek (owned by Pernod Ricard since 1989). Jameson (whiskey). Jerry Springer (talk show) ** Krups (coffee and cappuccino makers). ** Lancome. Le Creuset (cookware). L'Oreal (health and beauty products). Louis Vuitton. ** Marie Claire. Martel Cognac. Maybelline. phisto (shoes and clothes). Michelin (tires and auto parts). Mikasa (crystal and glass). Moet (champagne). Motel 6. Motown Records. MP3.com. Mumms (champagne). ** Nivea. Normany Butter. ** Parents Magazine. Peugeot (automobiles). Pierre Cardin. Playstation Magazine. ProScan (owned by Thomson Electronics, France). Publicis Group (including Saatchi & Saatchi Advertising). ** RCA (televisions and electronics; owned by Thomson Electronics). Red Magazine. Red Roof Inns (owned by Accor group in France). Road & Track Magazine. Roquefort cheese (all Roquefort cheese is made in France). Rowenta (toasters, irons, coffee makers, etc.). Royal Canadian. ** Salomon (skis). Sierra Software and Computer Games. Smart & Final. Sofitel (hotels, owned by Accor). Sparkletts (water, owned by Danone). Spencer Gifts. Sundance Channel. ** Taylor Made (golf). Technicolor. T-Fal (kitchenware). Total gas stations. ** UbiSoft (computer games). Uniroyal. Universal Studios (music, movies and amusement parks; owned by Vivendi -Universal). USFilter. ** Veritas Group. Veuve Clicquot Champagne. Vittel. Vivendi. ** Wild Turkey (bourbon). Woman's Day Magazine. ** Yoplait (The French company Sodiaal owns a 50 percent stake). Yves Saint Laurent. ** Zodiac Inflatable Boats. ____________________________________ Do not write below this line. Reserved for me. >> They are now majority >> owned by Renault. And, although Renault's management pulled [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > company Sodiaal owns a 50 percent stake). Yves Saint Laurent. > ** Zodiac Inflatable Boats. Done, got it. I am proud to declare that my only "violation" against that list is a free subscription to "Road & Track" magazine. > >They are now majority > >owned by Renault. And, although Renault's management pulled [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > ____________________________________ > Do not write below this line. Reserved for me. > >They are now majority > >owned by Renault. And, although Renault's management pulled [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > Sodiaal owns a 50 percent stake). Yves Saint Laurent. > ** Zodiac Inflatable Boats. I do relent and buy Car & Driver subscriptions for $4 a year. And those Michelin tires on my Accord and MDX made me cringe - although I'm sure Honda bought them cheap. Other than that, I am French-free. JM I > Well, then... make sure you add the following to your boycott list: > French Products and Companies: Forget boycotts: bomb France: http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040908-123000-1796r.htm >We traded my Lexus RX300 for the TL and haven't looked back. For those >considering a luxury car purchase, look at the TL. It's still full MSRP [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >If there are any other owners of this vehicle reading this, please share >your thoughts/problems about this car. I have an '04 Nighthawk Black Pearl TL. To give you an idea of how much I love this car, I traded in my '03 Nighthawk Black Pearl TL-S to get it. It's simply an exceptional vehicle. From: lflorack@rochester.rr.com (Lee Florack) wrote: >I have an '04 Nighthawk Black Pearl TL. >To give you an idea of how much I love >this car, I traded in my '03 Nighthawk >Black Pearl TL-S to get it. It's simply an >exceptional vehicle. I agree, it's exceptional! The black was our other color choice. We opted for the Anthracite with Quartz interior, 18" wheels with Yokohamas/brembo brakes lower body kit, lip spoiler, the whole shebang. DANG! It's a looker! The TL-S is a nice car, too. Did they kill you on the trade in? >From: lflorack@rochester.rr.com (Lee Florack) wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >The TL-S is a nice car, too. Did they kill you on the trade in? The deal was pretty much what I expected. Of course, due to a down payment to make it so, the payments were extended at almost the same monthly rate for a year longer and the trade in was at the Blue Book value at the time. Was it a 'smart' deal? Probably not, but I really wanted it! :-) "Lee Florack" > I have an '04 Nighthawk Black Pearl TL. To give you an idea of > how much I love this car, I traded in my '03 Nighthawk Black > Pearl TL-S to get it. It's simply an exceptional vehicle. alrite, no flamming ya..... I think TSX looks beat TL ! ;) TL looks like a "rework" of the TSX masterpiece. I used to like the "gutter" on TL sides -- but they look weird to me now. (BTW what they for anyway ?) And the dash ? oh baby TSX beats 99% out there ! > I used to like the "gutter" on TL sides -- but they look weird to me now. > (BTW what they for anyway ?) Well that is what really turned me off. The gutters on a Plymouth I had long along was where they put aluminum side molding on the high end cars. If you had the cheap version, the gutters were just there anyway. It gives the TL a very unfinished look to me. JM |
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