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Fog Lights in Accord 2004

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t_lak77@hotmail.com - 04 Sep 2004 18:26 GMT
My delaer charges $500 for fog lights with instalation, is honda
pre-wired for them, or is it more complicated than that.
any sugestions?
tx

I have 1000miles on it, and I am getting 20mpg, mix driving, should I
expect more?

thanks again
td
Dick - 04 Sep 2004 20:07 GMT
You didn't give the engine or transmission.  I found with our last two
V-6 Accords, it takes at least 12,000 miles for the engine to loosen
up and start giving the best mileage.  With our 2003 V-6 we get around
26 in mixed driving, and a consistent 34 mpg on a trip.

I can't find the installation instructions for the fog lamps on the
current generation Accord, but for the '99 is was a pretty difficult
chore.  Involved removing the bumper, cutting plastic, etc.   The list
price on the lamps is $330.  You can buy them on line for around $236,
but assuming the dealer is going to charge you list, that's $170 for
tearing the front end of the car apart.  Sounds reasonable.

Yes, they should be pre-wired.

Dick

>My delaer charges $500 for fog lights with instalation, is honda
>pre-wired for them, or is it more complicated than that.
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>thanks again
>td
Tim Burr - 04 Sep 2004 20:53 GMT
You can visit several web sites and look at the instructions as well as
the price for the fog lights. Click on the link below and browse to your
make & model > Look under Exterior > more..  Looks to be pain in but to
install....  http://www.handa-accessories.com/accord.html

> My delaer charges $500 for fog lights with instalation, is honda
> pre-wired for them, or is it more complicated than that.
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> thanks again
> td
Milleron - 05 Sep 2004 01:46 GMT
>My delaer charges $500 for fog lights with instalation, is honda
>pre-wired for them, or is it more complicated than that.
>any sugestions?
>tx

My suggestion, and I'm 100% serious, is to forget fog lights
altogether.  IMHO, they're the most misunderstood accessory in the
automotive world right now.  All they're designed for is visualizing
the edge of the road when there's fog so thick that you really can't
see through it, and almost no one living outside of London or San
Francisco or places like that has ANY legitimate reason to have them.
It's terribly unfortunate that they started putting them on most
vehicles in the US where the ONLY function they serve 99.9% of the
time is to put TWICE as many lumens on the retinas of the people with
whom the user is sharing the road, making it more difficult for them
to see and making it MORE likely that an accident will happen to
someone.  Where I live in the midwest, it's especially aggravating to
be driving down suburban streets where every unaware SUV driver has
his or her ********* fog lights on for NO reason and aimed right in my
eyes.  He cannot see the road one iota better, but I can hardly see it
at all.  I think they're as ill-advised as people driving with cell
phones plastered to their faces.

You do NOT need fog lights.  That's the reason Honda doesn't make them
standard equipment, even on EX V6's.  Please give consideration to not
installing them.
Ron
Bubble Butt - 05 Sep 2004 19:56 GMT
You said you live in the Mid West. Try living in New England where 90% of
the roads are poorly lit, some with no lights at all, and the rest are
twisty, winding, hilly roads in the middle of no where. Then lets add rain,
sleet, snow, and fog on top of that. It must be nice living in the FLAT,
OPEN, and Temperate mid west! I have fog lights on my car in new England and
keep them on all the time and don't have a problem with others that have
theirs on all the time. If you have that much trouble with your eyes, maybe
you should drive...or wear sunglasses.

> My suggestion, and I'm 100% serious, is to forget fog lights
> altogether.  IMHO, they're the most misunderstood accessory in the
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> to see and making it MORE likely that an accident will happen to
> someone.
Steve Bigelow - 05 Sep 2004 20:00 GMT
> Then lets add rain,
> sleet, snow, and fog on top of that. It must be nice living in the FLAT,
> OPEN, and Temperate mid west! I have fog lights on my car in new England
> and
> keep them on all the time

Where on Earth do you live that you have that kind of weather all the time?
Bubble Butt - 06 Sep 2004 04:49 GMT
RHODE ISLAND...Not Fun!!! Most of the time it is bad and the streets are
worse.

> Where on Earth do you live that you have that kind of weather all the time?
Steve Bigelow - 06 Sep 2004 12:04 GMT
> RHODE ISLAND...Not Fun!!! Most of the time it is bad and the streets are
> worse.
>>
>> Where on Earth do you live that you have that kind of weather all the
> time?

Hmm. The sun never shines in Rhode Island?
Bubble Butt - 06 Sep 2004 14:28 GMT
Sometimes, but not too much.

> > RHODE ISLAND...Not Fun!!! Most of the time it is bad and the streets are
> > worse.
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>
> Hmm. The sun never shines in Rhode Island?
Abeness - 06 Sep 2004 15:34 GMT
> Sometimes, but not too much.

What, do you live out in Foster or something?? I didn't know they had
Internet access in such places. <vbg>

(I lived in Providence for a few years and got around the state a
little. My mechanic was--really still is, he's great but now too far
away--in Johnston.)
LBJGH - 06 Sep 2004 16:28 GMT
Check here for installation instructions...

http://www.handa-accessories.com/accord03.html
Milleron - 07 Sep 2004 00:45 GMT
>RHODE ISLAND...Not Fun!!! Most of the time it is bad and the streets are
>worse.

I'm sorry, but that's nothing but unadulterated rubbish.

>> Where on Earth do you live that you have that kind of weather all the
>time?

Ron
Milleron - 07 Sep 2004 00:44 GMT
>You said you live in the Mid West. Try living in New England where 90% of
>the roads are poorly lit, some with no lights at all, and the rest are
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>theirs on all the time. If you have that much trouble with your eyes, maybe
>you should drive...or wear sunglasses.
Dear Bubble Butt,
If you leave your fog lights on all the time, then you're one of the
"unawares" who is apparently beyond reasoning with.  Enjoy your fog
lights, but remember that running them for no reason endangers
oncoming drivers,= (and, indirectly, you) by interfering with their
ability to see the road as well as they could if you turned those
infernal things off when there's no reason to have them on.

>> My suggestion, and I'm 100% serious, is to forget fog lights
>> altogether.  IMHO, they're the most misunderstood accessory in the
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>> to see and making it MORE likely that an accident will happen to
>> someone.

Ron
Trex97 - 08 Sep 2004 22:04 GMT
> >You said you live in the Mid West. Try living in New England where 90% of
> >the roads are poorly lit, some with no lights at all, and the rest are
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>
> Ron

Driving in urban areas {LA/Orange County), cars and trucks with fog
lights on are not a problem; people who drive off-road trucks that are
jacked up with their lights, coming at you from the rear, talking
about being blinded by the light.
Bubble Butt - 09 Sep 2004 02:53 GMT
Ron, I am not some air head blonde, and I do not appreciate you be littling
me. I like using fog lights because the roads here are awful! We had a
governor a while back named Ed Diprete, and to save money he decided to turn
off the lights on major highways at night, and 15 years later, they are
still off and he's not even in RI anymore. We have a traffic problem that is
like Los Angeles and roads that are like England.

> Dear Bubble Butt,
> If you leave your fog lights on all the time, then you're one of the
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>
> Ron
Milleron - 09 Sep 2004 03:23 GMT
>Ron, I am not some air head blonde, and I do not appreciate you be littling
>me. I like using fog lights because the roads here are awful! We had a
>governor a while back named Ed Diprete, and to save money he decided to turn
>off the lights on major highways at night, and 15 years later, they are
>still off and he's not even in RI anymore. We have a traffic problem that is
>like Los Angeles and roads that are like England.

OK, you're no air-head blonde, but if you honestly believe that fog
lights can improve your vision under clear meteorological conditions
just because the roads are awful, I'd claim that you're still mistaken
(and what is one supposed to presume about someone whose handle is
Bubble Butt?  ;-)   ).  I've had fog lights before because they were
standard equipment on the car I purchased in 1992.  I've observed very
carefully what the road illumination is like with them on and off.
Under normal conditions (no fog), they do NOT allow me to see the road
any better than low-beams alone.  As I mentioned before, these lights
are designed only to allow you to visualize the edge of the road in
fog so dense that low beams cannot penetrate it, an extremely rare
condition, even in Rhode Island.  That's ALL they're for.
Unfortunately, that's not all they accomplish, because they DO make it
more difficult for those with whom you share the road to see.

>> Dear Bubble Butt,
>> If you leave your fog lights on all the time, then you're one of the
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>>
>> Ron

Ron
Indirecto - 05 Sep 2004 03:36 GMT
My Accord I4 gets about 20mpg on pure city... goes up to 26-28 on highway.
(7000km)

-Indirecto

> My delaer charges $500 for fog lights with instalation, is honda
> pre-wired for them, or is it more complicated than that.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> thanks again
> td
JM - 05 Sep 2004 05:06 GMT
> My delaer charges $500 for fog lights with instalation, is honda
> pre-wired for them, or is it more complicated than that.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> thanks again
> td

You didn't say where you are, but the U.S. Accord fog lights are round
and butt-ugly in my opinion.  The Aussies get very nice
parallelogram-shaped ones that I'd easily pay $500 for.  They match
the front end much better.

There is some pre-wiring, but it doesn't help much.  Lots of cutting
and messing around, and if you make a mistake you've really screwed up
your car.  Get it done at the dealer if you decide to do this and
aren't really really (I said really) handy.

JM
t_lak77@hotmail.com - 05 Sep 2004 21:17 GMT
> > My delaer charges $500 for fog lights with instalation, is honda
> > pre-wired for them, or is it more complicated than that.
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>
> JM

tx for all responses, I intended to istall fog lights just for
apperance, as far as milage I have v6
thanks again
the Warners - 05 Sep 2004 17:14 GMT
> My delaer charges $500 for fog lights with instalation, is honda
> pre-wired for them, or is it more complicated than that.
> any sugestions?
> tx

I had fog lights included in my final purchase dickering for my '04 Accord
(well, not full cost, but substantially reduced).
They are not round, but flat oval - and they look fairly decent on my black
EX.
I would not have wanted to install them myself - although the kit comes with
a template for where to cut out the plastic bumper facing, I would not want
to be the one messing it up and having to replace the bumper.  I still
haven't figured out how to replace the bulb if/when it needs replacing.
They are a full 55W light and do provide a lot of extra brightness on the
road when the fog is thick.  Unlike most fog light equipped vehicles whose
owners run them constantly because they look "cool" or whatever, I only turn
them on when I need them.  Oh ok, I do have a small weakness to relatiate
for a few minutes when some idiot follows me for miles with his on and let
him pass.

Dave.
Custers - 07 Sep 2004 15:19 GMT
> I would not have wanted to install them myself - although the kit comes with
> a template for where to cut out the plastic bumper facing, I would not want
> to be the one messing it up and having to replace the bumper.

Been there - done that - got screwed in the process.  Our 2003 Accord was
supposed to have them installed on delivery.  They weren't.  Honda tech
didn't use the template right and botched the cut.  Ended up having to have
the bumper replaced.  Painted at dealer - ("It'll be as good as the factory
paint job.  In fact, we'll gare-on-teee it!")  Peeled within 3 months.
Fortunately, that car was 1 in a million that ended up being a lemon and we
got a 2004 to replace it (that is another long story.....)  That's the long
way around for getting a factory-painted bumper replacement, huh?!

So, YEAH - if you plan to have fog lights installed, find a DEALER to do it.
Just make sure you INSIST that a tech who is doing the work has lots of
experience doing this install.

This is NOT a job for the casual weekend warrior.

> I still haven't figured out how to replace the bulb if/when it needs
replacing.

It's a very easy process.  Go to the following web page:
http://www.handa-accessories.com/accext03.html   Find foglights on list, and
pick the 2-door or 4-door instructions.
It is outlined in the installation instructions (last page or so from what I
recall)....  Takes less than 3 minutes.

Had the same above dealer laugh at me when I told them I needed to replace
the foglight lens or lamp after it was shattered with winter road debris.
They told me the whole bumper had to be removed to replace it.  What a
bucket of bull crap.  Needless to say, I haven't been back to that dealer
since.
SoCalMike - 07 Sep 2004 17:15 GMT
> Been there - done that - got screwed in the process.  Our 2003 Accord was
> supposed to have them installed on delivery.  They weren't.  Honda tech
> didn't use the template right and botched the cut.  Ended up having to have
> the bumper replaced.  Painted at dealer - ("It'll be as good as the factory
> paint job.  In fact, we'll gare-on-teee it!")  Peeled within 3 months.

which means they didnt use the plastic primer. sure sign they dont know
what theyre doing.
 
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