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Car Forum / Honda Cars / January 2005Synthetic Lubricants in Hondas
Just purchased a new Pilot. I am looking for specific oil, automatic transmission, and diff oil specifications. I want to run synthetics, not dino products. Anybody here have experience with RedLine or Amsoil products? Which varieties/weights correspond directly to the "Honda" badged products? Lastly, how far can one stray from the suggested 5W20 engine oil? Advantages? Disadvantages? Thanks bp On 31 Dec 2004 16:30:00 GMT. In the Newsgroup(s): rec.autos.makers.honda With the Message-ID: <20041231113000.06555.00001608@mb-m22.news.cs.com> And the Organization Header: CompuServe (http://www.compuserve.com/). The famous author: bpeugh11@cs.comnothanks (BPeugh11). Wrote on the subject: Synthetic Lubricants in Hondas: >Just purchased a new Pilot. I am looking for specific oil, automatic >transmission, and diff oil specifications. I want to run synthetics, not dino [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Thanks >bp Go to the Newsgroup and read the enormously big thread with the subject: Will switching from Synthetic to Dyno oil harm my engine? It covers all aspects of the issue Synt vs Dino. SA > Just purchased a new Pilot. I am looking for specific oil, automatic > transmission, and diff oil specifications. I want to run synthetics, not dino [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks > bp ---------------------- The rear differential must have Dual Pump Fluid from Honda (every 30,000 miles), Power steering needs real honda stuff too, and only Honda z1 can be used in the automatic. 'Curly' >The rear differential must have Dual Pump Fluid from Honda (every 30,000 >miles), Power steering needs real honda stuff too, and only Honda z1 can >be used in the automatic. > >'Curly' Ok let's try again. Does anyone know the weight equivalents for Honda diff oil and automatic transmission fluid? It's not a matter of what Honda says. I don't care. I'm looking for the best fluids to put in the vehicle. What Honda says doesn't mean anything to me. Any manufacturer in this day and age suggesting dino oil for the crankcase is automatically suspect. bp >>The rear differential must have Dual Pump Fluid from Honda (every 30,000 >>miles), Power steering needs real honda stuff too, and only Honda z1 can [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > >bp Hmmm. I guess we better not use gasoline either. Hydrogen perhaps? >>>The rear differential must have Dual Pump Fluid from Honda (every 30,000 >>>miles), Power steering needs real honda stuff too, and only Honda z1 can [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Hmmm. I guess we better not use gasoline either. Hydrogen perhaps? It's a frickin Honda. It's point A to B transportation, not a real car. One more time: viscosity of Honda trans fluid and diff oil please? Perhaps someone can direct me somewhere for the answers?Thanks in advance. bp > It's a frickin Honda. It's point A to B transportation, not a real car. That's OK. We actually that it was a serious question initially, and not troll. Silly us. > One more time: viscosity of Honda trans fluid and diff oil please? > > Perhaps someone can direct me somewhere for the answers?Thanks in advance. Or perhaps you could Google it yourself. >>>>The rear differential must have Dual Pump Fluid from Honda (every 30,000 >>>>miles), Power steering needs real honda stuff too, and only Honda z1 can [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >bp True enough, but that begs the question. If it is "just transportation", why would anyone in their right mind want to use the most expensive lubricants in it? Doesn't make sense. When many Honda's have run 300, 400 and even 500,000 miles on "dino oil", it is clear that Honda's don't need anything else. Hope you find your answer, but it seems pointless. > Just purchased a new Pilot. I am looking for specific oil, automatic > transmission, and diff oil specifications. I want to run synthetics, not [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks > bp Honda uses a special synthetic automatic transmission fluid which they say you should not replace with any other fluid. Considering Honda's dubious recent reliability history with their automatic transmissions I wonder if Honda really knows what it is doing, but even so I would not mess with non-factory tranny fluid. The same is the case with the power steering and differential fluids ---- all special Honda-only spec stuff. You can use synthetic motor oil if you choose to do so. Mobil-1 0W-20 is well regarded. There is much debate about the 5W-20 specification. You can find all sorts of posts about it by searching for the term "Honda" on: http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php Personally I would not spend the time and money to find boutique products like Redline, Amsoil or Royal Purple, but that is just one man's opinion. John >> Just purchased a new Pilot. I am looking for specific oil, automatic >> transmission, and diff oil specifications. I want to run synthetics, not [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >John Thanks for your reply. Don't mean to be disrespectful, but as one who runs "boutique products" in my 95 E36 M3 because they test and perform better than dino products, I really don't care what Honda says. I am looking for real world info. I find it funny that Honda performance enthusiasts (S2000 owners) swear by synth "boutique products". Any manufacturer who suggests dino oil over synth hasn't done objective testing or hasn'r paid attention to the results obtained from same. All I am looking for are the weight equivalents (other than crankcase oil) for the Honda products. I really don't care what Honda says. bp BTW, Honda also told me not to put synth in my lawnmower. How the hell did they ever finish a race? >>> Just purchased a new Pilot. I am looking for specific oil, automatic >>> transmission, and diff oil specifications. I want to run synthetics, not [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > that Honda performance enthusiasts (S2000 owners) swear by synth "boutique > products". Real world failures of the rear differential and automatic transmission? Google away! Are there a lot of S2000 guys running synthetic automatic trans fluid? Or synth in diffs that require Dual Pump Fluid? Is there even one? So sorry, some of those S2k owners are quite dorky...when it comes to oil... Certain high class engines have been broken in at the factory, so the manufacturers could load synthetic before they deliver the cars to the buyers. Your bland Pilot's engine should not be switching to synthetic until you abuse the engine quite a bit. Honda couldn't monitor the buyer's oil change behavior, so they blindly put in the disclaimer, to minimize emission warranty works later on. As for none essential fluids, like transmission oil and differential oil, since there are usually 1 product from your preferred boutique supplier, you have no choice but to use that 1. Are you gonna switch boutique supplier because Honda prefer oil in a certain viscosity? My guess would be no...If I'm fanatic about a certain boutique oil, I would definitely ignore all suggestions and buy that 1 choice. btw, watch F1 and see all those kaboom from Honda's engines. I don't watch Indy Retirement League, so I don't know if Honda engines last........ > Don't mean to be disrespectful, but as one who runs "boutique products" in my > 95 E36 M3 because they test and perform better than dino products, I really [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > BTW, Honda also told me not to put synth in my lawnmower. How the hell did they > ever finish a race? > All I am looking for are the weight equivalents (other than crankcase oil) for > the Honda products. I really don't care what Honda says. would a warranty claim hold up if they tear down the tranny and find purple oil in it? >> All I am looking for are the weight equivalents (other than crankcase oil) >for >> the Honda products. I really don't care what Honda says. > >would a warranty claim hold up if they tear down the tranny and find >purple oil in it? It might not if and only if Honda provides their specified Honda tranny fluid free of charge for the life of the vehicle. As long as the purple or red or whatever color oil it is, meets the minimum technical specification from Honda, they most certainly will. Laws are funny that way. bp > >> All I am looking for are the weight equivalents (other than crankcase oil) > >for [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It might not if and only if Honda provides their specified Honda tranny fluid > free of charge for the life of the vehicle. Have you read your owner's manual? > As long as the purple or red or whatever color oil it is, meets the minimum > technical specification from Honda, they most certainly will. Laws are funny > that way. > > bp You Go bp.. -- Tp, -------- __o ----- -\<. -------- __o --- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<. -------------------- ( )/ ( ) ----------------------------------------- No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron... > Don't mean to be disrespectful, but as one who runs "boutique products" in my > 95 E36 M3 That says it all... Sorry bp. -- Tp, -------- __o ----- -\<. -------- __o --- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<. -------------------- ( )/ ( ) ----------------------------------------- No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron... >>Don't mean to be disrespectful, but as one who runs "boutique products" in my >>95 E36 M3 > > That says it all... arent some of those bimmers required to use $8/qt oil? >>>Don't mean to be disrespectful, but as one who runs "boutique products" >>>in my [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > arent some of those bimmers required to use $8/qt oil? I suspect they are required to use a xW-40 viscosity, convienently available at outrageous dealer markup. >> Don't mean to be disrespectful, but as one who runs "boutique products" in >my [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >-- >Tp, More than you know. I have the best 6 cylinder motor on the face of the planet. Sorry for you, it's not a Honda. I bought a Honda for transportation. The M3 is a real car with a serious motor. Don't worry. I now have a connection with a Honda factory engineer. His answers are much more factual and useful than the "Honda knows all" pap I have received on this newsgroup. BTW, short of F1 motors, he agrees with me. bp Ferrari says otherwise...A road car engine like yours is in no way similar to a race engine, nor an F1 engine. Keep the bragging reasonable.... > More than you know. I have the best 6 cylinder motor on the face of the planet. >>>Don't mean to be disrespectful, but as one who runs "boutique products" in >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > are much more factual and useful than the "Honda knows all" pap I have received > on this newsgroup. Sure, so why do you even bother with the great unwashed on Usenet with your "Honda factory engineer" friend, hmm? > More than you know. I have the best 6 cylinder motor on the face of the planet. > Sorry for you, it's not a Honda. I bought a Honda for transportation. The M3 is > a real car with a serious motor. an IS would spank ya. Which IS? the one I drove a few times felt mediocre like 325... > an IS would spank ya. > All I am looking for are the weight equivalents (other than crankcase oil) > for > the Honda products. I really don't care what Honda says. > > bp Then you should be calling or writing to Redline, Royal Purple and/or Amsoil and using whatever they say. Good luck in your search for "the best". John > Just purchased a new Pilot. I am looking for specific oil, automatic > transmission, and diff oil specifications. I want to run synthetics, not dino [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Thanks > bp 1. I like RedLine tech support. They should be able to answer any questions of a technical nature. 2. 5W20 oils are used to meet fuel economy requirements. 3. Amsoil is MLM 4. RedLine uses commercial distribution. 5. Mobil 1 speaks for itself Personally, I use high grade dino oil on any internal combustion engine application and change it every 5K but prefer synthetic for everything else. JT > Just purchased a new Pilot. I am looking for specific oil, automatic > transmission, and diff oil specifications. I want to run synthetics, not dino > products. Why? > Anybody here have experience with RedLine or Amsoil products? Which > varieties/weights correspond directly to the "Honda" badged products? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Thanks > bp Red Line and Amsoil are fine products. However; you MUST still follow Honda's recommended replacement intervals... Period, end of story. -- Tp, -------- __o ----- -\<. -------- __o --- ( )/ ( ) ---- -\<. -------------------- ( )/ ( ) ----------------------------------------- No Lawsuit Ever Fixed A Moron... it depends if you wanna keep your warranty valid or not. > Just purchased a new Pilot. I am looking for specific oil, automatic > transmission, and diff oil specifications. I want to run synthetics, not [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Thanks > bp >Just purchased a new Pilot. I am looking for specific oil, automatic >transmission, and diff oil specifications. I want to run synthetics, not dino >products. Anybody here have experience with RedLine or Amsoil products? Which >varieties/weights correspond directly to the "Honda" badged products? You're better off using the Honda transmission and differential fluids. >Lastly, how far can one stray from the suggested 5W20 engine oil? Advantages? >Disadvantages? There's been some discussions about engine oil on the forums at http://www.hondapilot.org. You might want to check there for some recommendations. There are several people using Mobil1, RedLine, and RoyalPurple engine oils in their Pilots. But there aren't many people straying from the 5W20. Why do you want to do that?  SignatureMike Iglesias Email: iglesias@draco.acs.uci.edu University of California, Irvine phone: 949-824-6926 Network & Academic Computing Services FAX: 949-824-2069 |
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